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[quote user="Destort"] Back to the original topic however, we need Lee in League 1. He can provide that Howard role that he has done for Leicester this season. [/quote]He would be good, if we can afford him.

[quote user="singing canary"] i know how alot of you fell about gunn so im not going to start a debate , but then again you know how i feel about roeder , just reading gunn had 9 days to work in the transfer window !! i really feel this is roeders mess , and too many loan players that just wernt good enough . i would like to see someone with experience come in , yet its not going to happen . but im not blaming gunn , for a team full of loan players roeder brought in .   [/quote]I certainly would not blame Gunn for the mess. GR was an unmitigated disaster and personally wanted him out 6 months before he went. However, I think we need somebody who has experience of success in lower leagues to bring us back.

They will probably have the usual interviews and Gunny will stand out as the obvious candidate, or hopefully they won''t go through the interview process again and just identify the man they want and go for him. We can always hope.

[quote user="singing canary"] well just read norwich will try and thrash out a deal with alan lee this summer . surely if we are getting a new manager , he would make that decision  of who he wants. or is it too  obvious that the board will give the job to gunn ? [/quote]It seems nailed on that he will, unfortunately.

[quote user="Bomber"] We aint gonna get a new board it aint gonna happen (cant sack themselves) We aint suddenly gonna get 10 new Norwich City contracted players it aint gonna happen (no money) We may get a new manager but have an inkling that they did not get Crook Butterworth to give up their jobs just for a couple of months employment at Carrow Road (although dont believe it is Gunn''s fault and would agree to giving him a full season in charge) So now the dust has settled and we realise where we are the only thing we can do is hope for the best and support the team.  Yes they severely let us all down on Sunday but at the end of the day this may be the best thing to happen to us as lets face it it has been on the cards since relegation from the Premiership.  Get relegated and build from new using the nucleus of the youngsters that we have as well as the experience of those players that remain from this season.  In all honesty that is all we can do however I do feel that with youngsters playing against the bruisers of League 1 it will take us three or four seasons to come back up.   [/quote]Peterborough did it with a very young team and with players from lower leagues, we need a manager who can do what Darren Ferguson did, alas they are not easy to find.

Hopefully Brian Gunn will not get the managers job. He is sad to have been the one who was in charge when we went down he has intimated that he wants to be given the chance to rectify that by becoming manager. I believe it would be a disaster not to bring someone in who has had success in Div 1. There was too much sentimentality in giving him the job in the first place, as a sort of antidote to Glen Roeder. We have the opportunity to start afresh and I hope against hope that the club will take it.

[quote user="slaphead"]A cap of £2000 per week will be the  max paid by NCFC next season if we go down  . So its goodby to the  main stays of our first team .[/quote]It would probably be goodbye to everyone if that were to be the case. Should think it would be more like £4,000 per week.

[quote user="GJP"] Should never have been more than a backup squad player for us.   [/quote]Most of players we have should never have been more than backup squad players. That is why we are languishing where we are, because too many of our players are not good enough and IF we go down the players we will be able to attract and afford will not even be as good as he is.  

Well done Kathy, whoever you are, that was very good and if you come from Norfolk you will have Norfolk accent which sounded OK to me.  

[quote user="Old Shuck"] He got Sunderland promoted. If he does that for Ipswich, thats job done. End of. As has already been pointed out on this post, when we look for a new Manager, we go through this ridiculous and long winded "interview" process, one in which names are postulated, delusions of grandeur (from within the club) and a determination to "do the right thing" comes across, we are also told that "big names", "surprising" ones have applied and that the club -according to ND on more than one occasion are "impressed" with the quality of applicants. On and on and on it goes, then, bang! Theres a Grant, theres a Roeder, theres a Gunn. But then thats how we''ve always done Managers isn''t it, it goes back a lot, lot further... We "poached", to much wailing and gnashing of teeth down on the South coast, John Bond from Bornemouth. Then we, with one exception, changed our policy wholesale... Ken Brown was appointed from within. Dave Stringer followed. Ditto, although, to be fair, he may (help here?) not actually have been at the club when he was appointed? Mike Walker came next-another internal appointment and if we''d have had Internet message boards when he was appointed, you can imagine the furore!"...how can half a season managing Colchester United be good enough for a club in the Premier League..."   (oh what a lovely worry to have at that time!) (We gave him another go later on, but things were never the same, never go back-although the criteria for him being sacked the second time around were surely not 100% due to the football and the results?) John Deehan came after Walker, yep, more Liverpool internal continuity. Soon sacked, but, of course, now back at the club for his pension top up! Martin O''Neill, lured from Wycombe, excitement all round! But we know what happened next!! Seems that, after that, the club got into a mentality of not wanting to do such dreadful things again, "...it gets your fingers burnt, this ambition thing!.." Gary Megson then. Safe, known, dependable, "knows the club". Next! Bruce Rioch anyone? That bordered on a vaguely ambitious appointment, after all, he''d been Arsenal Manager! But I think our Board was thinking more Millwall when they appointed him. And they didn''t trust him to do it properly, obviously, as they also appointed.... Bryan Hamilton, who followed him, ANOTHER "safe", internal appointment, but hey, Delia said it, "we''ve got our man". So we sat back and waited for...well, we''re still waiting, but I think we have been for quite sometime now! Nigel Worthington hit the Motherlode, and that was it, we''re never going outside of the club again, it always works think they at the top.... ...but there was no-one at the club when Worthy left -about a year too late-to be that internal appointment, so the next best thing was to get another ex-City player back at the helm (think Megson, think Deehan) in... Peter Grant. Enough said. When Grant didn''t cut the mustard, it was evident that, despite the internal approach being attempted -in Jim Duffy-and not working, however much the Board must have prayed for it to do so, so they went for someone unemployed, steady, and, so they probably thought, quiet and sensible.... Glenn Roeder. See Peter Grant. Luckily, after Roeder, and when, supposedly, lots of people who had actually been football Managers had shown an interest in the job, despite, it seems, working under conditions that were not exactly favourable, Gunny was pruning his roses one afternoon and said, in a moment of relaxed candour, "...hey, I''d give it a go..." -and passed the interview with flying colours! Which is where we are now. So it could be argued that we have rarely, if ever, displayed "ambition" and that maybe our perception of it now is different to what it was in the Bond era (and what great days they seem to be now!), where-as that of the people running the club is less than it was then! Not much change in the last thirty years or so, don''t expect much in the next thirty either. Ipswiich seemingly make a decision, swiftly follow it with another one, no messing about...and, if Keane gets the job, I''ll put money on him getting them up next season, at the same time, we may be finding that we are due another one in the 3rd division. [/quote]That sums up a lot of what has gone wrong here. Just to support your case MIck Dennis has just been on Sky saying what a bad appointment Roy Keane is and pulled the Evans regime to pieces, he of course supports our regime being close friends of the hierarchy. I would go along with your last sentence.

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"] I would imagine that many of the critics on this site had to eat humble pie last night after watching the 19 year old lad playing left back for Arsenal in the European Champions League Quarter-Final 3-0 win over Villareal. He had a pretty steady game too. OTBC     [/quote]He is a year older now than when he played for us and consequently physically stronger. His physical presence was something he lacked when playing for us, he is no doubt a very talented player.

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Beauseant"] [quote user="Phil E Stein"]Why did Bryan take so long to shake things up in attack on Saturday? Good idea; let''s wait till the match is almost ended before making any substitutions! If I had been manager I would have brought on Cody and Lee at half time, or certainly no later than10 minutes or so into the second half. He was unbelievably slow to take action. Ok we may still have lost, but to my mind our forward line was clearly lacking in ideas and it would have been worth a punt on changing things much sooner, rather than just plodding along causing very few problems to the Wednesday defence.[/quote]   It''s hardly a new phenomenon, Phil. Game after game we see the same thing. Unfortunately that''s part of the price for having a manager with zero experience. We were second best all first half, and while I could understand leaving it for the first 15 minutes of the second half, something needed to be done thereafter. [/quote] lol but we had Roeder who was experienced and did exactly the same thing, go figure hehehe [:D] [/quote]Experience/ inexperience can all amount to the same thing in the end. We will win some and lose some, mamnager will make decisions that work and those that don''t. Bet Joe Royle and Billy Davies aren''t flavour of month at moment with their respective clubs. Lots of experience too. Think new team have done well so far, players that have been brought in have on the whole been OK.

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="tribes"] [quote user="Metatron"]No tribes, Roeder wasn''t perfect at that and neither were Grant or Worthington. The trouble is that when 25,000 people in the crowd can see that something needs to change then it gets very frustrating when the management team hesitate for 10 minutes or so after going a goal down before making an obvious substitution that could have been made at half time. The point is that Team Gunn are learning on the job - fair enough if you are in mid-table, or safe, but pretty dangerous in our precarious position.[/quote]The truth is that all 25,000 people in the crowd would not have been asking for the same changes at the same time. Managers invariably get berated after the event if result hasn''t gone well. You would sometimes think that these managers had never played or watched a football match in their life the way some people infer that they " don''t know what they are doing". As supporters we of course do know best and we all criticise, but the idea that when an inexperienced manager makes a decision that we don''t agree with then it is purely down to his inexperience is ridiculous. Many experienced managers do the same, but I suppose we then just say " you don''t know what you are doing". I think that Gunn''s inexperience does manifest itself in terms of ultra conservatism. When you look at great managers they know when to stick and when to twist. Ferguson on Sunday was a classic example. With 15 minutes left it didn''t look like they could get a point, but he gambled, knowing that a win was needed, and his substitutions eventually paid off spectacularly. Yes, it could have all gone horribly wrong had Villa nicked a third, as seemed likely, but it didn''t. The point is that experienced managers develop a feel for the rhythm of the game and read it correctly more often than not . Gunny is having to learn by his mistakes in an environment where we can''t afford mistakes.   [/quote][/quote]..and it''s pretty deep.

[quote user="Metatron"]No tribes, Roeder wasn''t perfect at that and neither were Grant or Worthington. The trouble is that when 25,000 people in the crowd can see that something needs to change then it gets very frustrating when the management team hesitate for 10 minutes or so after going a goal down before making an obvious substitution that could have been made at half time. The point is that Team Gunn are learning on the job - fair enough if you are in mid-table, or safe, but pretty dangerous in our precarious position.[/quote]The truth is that all 25,000 people in the crowd would not have been asking for the same changes at the same time. Managers invariably get berated after the event if result hasn''t gone well. You would sometimes think that these managers had never played or watched a football match in their life the way some people infer that they " don''t know what they are doing". As supporters we of course do know best and we all criticise, but the idea that when an inexperienced manager makes a decision that we don''t agree with then it is purely down to his inexperience is ridiculous. Many experienced managers do the same, but I suppose we then just say " you don''t know what you are doing".      

He will be a better manager if we win next weekend. If we lose then his inexperience will no doubt be the cause of our loss. Would be great if we had experienced manager who knew the EXACT time to bring on subs and which ones. Somebody like Roeder would be good at that.

[quote user="Mello Yello"] I can''t get excited.....let alone Boo..... Just another bod on the conveyor belt of loans..... On a positive note, if he does stay as a ''permo,'' it wouldn''t cost much to have his name on the back of a replica shirt, I suppose....   [/quote]There are positives in all these things and if we try hard enough they are not hard to find. If loans continue as they have been doing then won''t have cost of putting any names on shirts, so will save money.

[quote user="First Wizard"] [quote user="On the way to Yeovil"]Alan''s loyalty to the Scum was very much there for all to see when he scored for Palarse against the Scum, take a look at his goal celebration![/quote] The second Alan pulls on a City shirt he''s one of us, so enjoy that.[Y] [/quote]..and it won''t be for very long as like most of the players we have had this season, he is only being borrowed. He is only a Temp, as you might say. Should be a useful one though, Litaesque let''s hope.

[quote user="Willmeister"]Gow doesn''t count because he is on loan from Rangers so is technically an ''international'' loan. The five loan players in one squad is only players on loan from other English teams. [/quote]If that is true and on reflection I think you are right then a team could field 11 loan players if they worked it right.

[quote user="pliff"][quote user="bleach"] i reckon gow will fill ruski''s spot, carney on the left, lee and mooney upfront. that doesn''t sound too bad. [/quote] Sounds good to me too if it means keeping Fotheringham and Pattison out of the team [/quote]If he plays Gow, Mooney, Carney and Lee, which one of Shackell and Bertrand would you leave out, because he can''t play all 6.

[quote user="LinkNR9"] [quote user="Andy Larkin"]Just my two penneth worth, but I think he will play Gow in the centre with Clingan, and Lee up top with Mooney. Carney taking Hoolahan''s place on the left. [/quote] I think you''re spot on with that analysis, Andy. [/quote]If he does then he won''t be able to play both Shackell and Bertrand because only 5 loanees can play at same time.

[quote user="bleach"] i reckon gow will fill ruski''s spot, carney on the left, lee and mooney upfront. that doesn''t sound too bad. [/quote]Only 5 loanees can play at same time. We have: Bertrand, Shackell, Mooney, Gow, Carney and (Lee) and Leiger. Have I missed any?.

There is such a fuss made about doing away with transfer windows. They do not really matter because loan signings go on well beyond them and majority of clubs are using loan system. The loan system is never explained, and to the unanitiated is a complete mystery, no-one in authority ever explains it.  

[quote user="JJ"] [quote user="tribes"][quote user="singing canary"]i thought there was a limit to how many you could have in one season ?[/quote]So did I and thought it was 14 but that was obiously incorrect. This loan system is just ridiculous and it makes you wonder if there is any point in trying to build a team nowadays.[/quote] It seems out of control now.  The fact that Norwich and Blackpool can have over 30 loan players between them is ridiculous.   [/quote]The way to get out of relegation mess might rest on who can get in best loan players. You are right it is out of control it''s like musical chairs and difficult to keep track on who is playing for who.

[quote user="singing canary"]i thought there was a limit to how many you could have in one season ?[/quote]So did I and thought it was 14 but that was obiously incorrect. This loan system is just ridiculous and it makes you wonder if there is any point in trying to build a team nowadays.

[quote user="canaries"] you have left me speechless , please highlight the positive for now and the future. [/quote]Against all expectations we played well and won against Cardiff. i.e. a positive. There is now a glimmer of hope that we may survive. i.e. positive for future. The prime objective at this moment in time is to survive in this division, it''s all hands to the pump.