Fat Barman

Oi! Blackmore! Are there NO lengths to which you will not stoop, to prevent poor James attracting folk to the Fat Cat???How''s it going old chap? (and when would you like me to deliver to you? James usually only sells Honey Ale from us, so I can offer you an exclusive deal on several other Fat Cat beers [:D])Big change from the days at Layer Road, I''ll bet - you''re sorely missed in the fine city of Norwich!

Indeed it was good to drag it back to the training debate - I sometimes think they should reallocate the ''Non-football'' section of the message board and make it the ''Football only'' forum, leaving the ''Main Discussion'' page for all those who are happy on the merry-go-round of pro/anti-Delia debates! [:)]

It''s hard to see how ANY of them should be judged so soon. One horrendous display against Colchester, then not many minutes for anyone to form an opinion. Gill picked up an injury, OTJ had international duty, Nelson and Whaley very little pitch time.I know pre-season is no guide to real matches, but there weren''t many people deriding the signings before the 7-1 defeat, were there?My preference is to see how they perform after half-a-dozen to a dozen games, before calling them duff buys. If Lambert feels they aren''t even worth that, well I''ll trust his judgement.OT (slightly) - does Hoolahan''s trip to Swansea hint at a bad time under Lambert, when he signed him at Livingstone? Maybe one of our ''Stars'' didn''t enjoy his previous spell with the new boss?

Okay, pet peeve here. You don''t have to hit the quote button EVERY time you reply to someone. Get a room, or just type a response - no need to fill an entire page with stuff we''ve all read before (unless you want to select the bit you are particularly referring to)!!Anyways, I think Bob was missing the point. The fact of Gunn not keeping up performances was being made with regard to his first game, 4-0 win over Barnsley. He never managed to really get the players going. Fair enough, he had to wait till the summer to build a team he was happy with, but his sacking had little to do with the 7-1 defeat. His card was marked the moment MacNally and the other new Board members came into the picture. None of them were party to his appointment and it''s fair to say they wouldn''t have sanctioned it. This was presumption on the part of the rump of the previous Board, to install Gunn before sorting the top level positions out.For my view, I think a period of less intense training, under Gunn, was necessary for the team after Roeder. It is also now correct for a more committed style, if the team have any hopes of play-off football at the end of this season. Some may not like it - they''ll have to go (yes, Mr Otsemobor, I mean you!).Cheerio now - back off to the ''Kick It Off'' forum, where debate on football topics is valued higher than scoring points over fellow posters.Look it up if that appeals to you! [:P]

[quote user="Jonnyboy"]Jesus Christ I''m totally embarressed. Any season tickets left at Ipswich? [/quote]Swear by all means - but please don''t stoop to that!

Who knew the bookies were supplying the score and not the odds for Norwich to go up??

He can''t surely play again?

Wiggins aint fit yet - otherwise I agree!

Apparently 0-5 at half-time IS enough to be upset about.There''ll likely be a huge surge of anti-board/Gunn feeling after this - rightly so. Surely some changes should have been made at half-time, if not sooner?! A dithering manager will be slaughtered by fans.

Suspect several people who bought these may be offering them to others after today''s performance! [:)]

I''m a masochist! I''m also hoping it can''t possibly be this bad for ever!!MASSIVE rebuilding of confidence required before we go out of the cup on Tuesday.

LOL mate!Glad I couldn''t get a ticket now! Still, it should be a bit easier to get to the next few games [:D]

According to the club, there are only 30 buy-backs available (none with two seats together). See you at the front of the queue!

Cheers everyone.Being philosophical, it''s no biggy - he''ll have a fun day. It''s about him having a good time, after all!I''ll make sure he gets to the next one he can make (after holiday with the outlaws). Buy back scheme for me [:)]

She won''t buy that option (no pun intended). It''s a ticket by 7.30, or he goes to Pleasurewood Hills with her and the boyfriend!Damn those pre-season results and sudden rush of optimism - it was all looking fine before the Wigan game!Like I said  it''s my own fault for leaving it so late. Still, thanks for the replies [:)]

I don''t remember the first league match, but my first ever City game was in 1973, against Luton (a reserve fixture?) at Carrow Road. We won 2-1 and what stuck in my mind was walking from the Barclay to the River End at half time, to stand behind the Luton keeper for both halves.

I know I should have been quicker off the mark - no point belabouring a point - but I''m desperately trying to sort 2 tickets, so I can take my son to the game for his birthday. His mum has given me a deadline of 7.30 tonight to find some, or she''s taking him elsewhere (we''re separated, so it''s a bit of a touchy subject who gets to take him out tomorrow!).This all makes me look very stupid, so you can tell it means a lot to him! Probably far too late to try this route, but I''ve exhausted the other options [:(]I''ll check back in an hour, to sift through the derision in search of a saint!!

Sorry, boys and girls, but I disagree. Even if only a minority want to read the non-news, Archant have a duty to publish it.Surely you are all masters enough of your own keyboards and eyeballs to avoid reading anything you think is pointless twaddle?Then again, perhaps censorship of discussion and opinion IS the way forward... ...BRING BACK PRE-MODERATION. That way we might be spared some of the mindless speculation and endless whinging which we are all FORCED to read every day on this forum.[:P]Do you get my point?[*-)]

[quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Fat Barman"][quote user="singing canary"] what would we lose if she did go , ? this has been the worst season for fifty years , i with most can see her and company just by thier decisions are no good for this club. if someone steped in , not with buckets of money , who know how to run a club , and has some respect for the fans , i for one would be happy . the club has been in freefall since she took over . we have the second highest gate in the championship , other championship sides with no money have done much much better than us .. the is no excuse for this club to be in the state its in , apart from bad management.   [/quote]Trouble is SC, any new owner does need bucks of money. The institutional debt can be called in (and would be in the current climate) the moment Delia is no longer at the helm. Unfortunately it''s in the terms of the loans and, with the loan secured against the ground and training facilities, we can''t just offer 5p in the pound! The real estate of NCFC could be sold off from under us.[/quote] Leaving aside all these rumours of new owners about to come in, an immediate, temporary solution should be that hinted at by John Tilson on Radio Norfolk tonight. That is that The Stowmarket Two stand down from the Board and give up all control of day to day running of the club.  They can still retain or sell their shares as they think fit. There is nothing in company law or football club law come to that which dictates that a business owner MUST sit on the Board. Go back to 1995 when Jimmy Jones resigned but held his 19% shareholding for some time after that. If the Cook stood down now and was man enough to admit to past mistakes she might just be able to leave with some credibility intact. I won''t be holding my breath though! [/quote]That would be the best way forward for now YR. Unfortunately, the S2 show no signs of giving over power.Smudger. I''ve tried to treat your comments with respect and answer your points with my reasoned opinions. Since you appear to be stuck with some kind of minor Tourette''s - leading you to respond to any point you have no valid answer to with playground taunts - I realise I was wasting my time. I shan''t make that mistake again. You really do give the impression of someone who is only interested in being noticed by others and not in any informed debate. Carry on shouting, fewer and fewer people are listening to you.

[quote user="komakino"]The board have run this club in a naive, diabolical manner. Administration would be worth it in the longer term if it meant Delia et al were gone. Businessmen will not invest while she is at the club - they don''t trust her with money and the way she does things, so they have been proved 100% right! Chase was an angel compared with her, albeit a rather overweight one...[/quote]Really? Even if it meant selling Carrow Road to developers? Colney sold to clear debt? Administration for Norwich City, with its solid assets which could be sold to repay creditors, is very different to administration for the a**eholes down the A140, who owned nothing and therefore got away with their 5p in the pound offer to the big boy creditors (and screwing local businesses).Would you be applying to Ips**t for a possible groundshare of Portman Road?The reality of administration to an asset rich company, such as NCFC, is to have your assets stripped to pay your debts. That''s why the debt is described as ''securitised''. The creditors would gain ownership of our real estate to dispose ofas they see fit. Would they retain it as football facilities, or use the development potential of a city centre building site?Discuss...

I think Patches is both right and wrong!The reason we performed poorly against Swansea was precisely because of the size and strength of Jason Scotland up front and Monk and Williams in central defence - in fact I believe all four of Swansea''s defence were bigger than the Norwich front line (only Alan Lee could stand taller than the full-backs). The fact that they also played some passing football doesn''t negate the size advantage they had over us.Still, the point is moot, as we will struggle badly without beefing up the team for League One. You can carry a couple of lightweights, but need the majority of players to be able to hold their own in a physical match.

There needs to be accountability. In the face of having to accept our majority owners continued presence, the Chief Executive should go.Has there been any talk of reduced wages for Mr Doncaster, in line with the pay cuts written into the contracts of players? Perhaps the club could comment on the salary earned by our CE, in particular telling us just how this failure can justify the continued payment of said salary.Sack Neil Doncaster and have the owners step down from the Board with immediate effect. An independent Board of Directors, which reports to the owners but does not have to agree with their wishes, would be a massive step to restoring confidence in the way the Football Club is run. Just because a business is owned, doesn''t mean you HAVE to run it yourselves. The brave option would be to recruit new blood from amongst existing stakeholders, who would be prepared to perform their duties without remuneration. Surely we have the people with the right skill sets amongst our numbers?In case there is any doubt - SACK DONCASTER

[quote user="singing canary"]what would we lose if she did go , ? this has been the worst season for fifty years , i with most can see her and company just by thier decisions are no good for this club. if someone steped in , not with buckets of money , who know how to run a club , and has some respect for the fans , i for one would be happy . the club has been in freefall since she took over . we have the second highest gate in the championship , other championship sides with no money have done much much better than us .. the is no excuse for this club to be in the state its in , apart from bad management.   [/quote]Trouble is SC, any new owner does need bucks of money. The institutional debt can be called in (and would be in the current climate) the moment Delia is no longer at the helm. Unfortunately it''s in the terms of the loans and, with the loan secured against the ground and training facilities, we can''t just offer 5p in the pound! The real estate of NCFC could be sold off from under us.

I''m kind of with thebigfeller on this.The reason we need to work with the majority shareholders seems to be because of the debt-repayment issues which kick in as soon as they no longer own the club. Assuming that no investor has the money to repay the institutional debt AND invest in the team, that leaves D & M retaining their majority stake.It would, at least, be a positive step to introduce new Directors, from the local business community. The benefit (hopefully!) would be to inject new ideas and vastly improve the business model we work to. The position of Neil Doncaster is rapidly turning untenable, when Associate Directors, minority shareholders and an apparent majority of fans have all lost faith in his ability to make a positive contribution to solving our problems.You need to make a start somewhere - making some changes at Boardroom level is, perhaps, the best place!

Unfortunately, Dictator, you conveniently forget the millions which fall due for repayment as soon as Delia & Michael are no longer in overall control. AXA and the rest can demand their money the moment those two walk away - I take it that administration and a 10 point deduction are the way forward, for surely that will lead to a further relegation.Do feel free to explain why this is a good thing...