DumbleDelia is Magic

Temp, serious question.  If you don''t think that changing the management is the way to go what do you think needs to be done to change our shocking style of play and results and how long would you give it?

It''s impossible to compare the two clubs though old boy.  It''s all about expectations.  We''re appalled at the season we have had.  If Brighton had had our season they would be over the moon!  They''re aiming to stay up, we''re aiming to go up.  When we scrape past teams like Brighton (and lose to countless teams this season which we should have beaten) I think we reserve the right to be pretty p***ed off!  You always have to think of other fans (Rotherham at the moment of course) but just because others have it worse, doesn''t make excuses for our failures

That''s never happened to me before.  It''s normally off for the whole soccer special programme.  I''m sure they''ll rectify it after you advertised it though suffolk canary!

I think a lot of people would be afraid of standing up for fear of recrimination from any around them who was a KTFer

I rated Adams.  Certainly not in the worst Norwich 11

[quote user="Tom Blazak"]Marc Libbra. had a wonderful touch and could finish but just did nothing apart from the 19sec wonder goal against man city. [/quote] lol! Marc Libbra was shocking! We used to have bets in the Barclay as to how many seconds it would take for him to be caught offside!

It was after QPR for me.  I was very p***ed off about last season but was willing to give Nigel a few months this season, considering his previous record.  But after the Luton, QPR, Sheff Weds etc embarrassments I thought ''enough is enough''.  Things have been going steadily downhill since then.  How the board can''t see this is beyond me

Excellent

"Currently" a moderated forum Celia?  Does that mean there are plans to change it?

It doesn''t make the blindest bit of difference.  Gay or straight; who cares?

Superb Fans and board set for head-on collision RICHARD BALLS By anyone''s standards, this season has been a stinker. Supporters with understandably high expectations have had to swallow one bitter pill after another: lamentable performances against pathetic teams at Carrow Road (a 1-0 defeat by Sheffield Wednesday!); accepting that automatic promotion was beyond us at a very early stage, and then - having been lulled into a false sense of security in December - seeing our play-off ambitions similarly crumble. However, the performance and result inflicted on yet another passionate, capacity crowd on Sunday was not just another disappointment or setback. It was an insult. “The soft option is to make changes,” said chairman Roger Munby as he rushed loyally to Nigel Worthington''s aid with a vote of confidence speech. “The tougher one is actually to stick to what you believe in. And by sticking together, you are both better informed and better equipped to deal with and monitor the situation.” As with the manager''s candid post-match comments about some of his players, the more times you make such public comments, the more hollow the ring. The odd vote of confidence in a manager during a particularly sticky patch is one thing, but they are becoming a regular feature of this season. Fans'' patience is wearing thin and if the board are determined to stand by their man, whatever the results on the pitch, then the two are on a collision course. Ipswich''s scrambled winner in front of the Barclay End on Sunday proved too much for some fans and brought an anger that has been simmering for some time pouring out onto the terraces. I cannot remember feeling so enraged and ashamed at a Norwich performance for years and while Munby said that it took directors “a number of hours” to get it out of their system, it will take many of us longer still. But it was not just that we had lost to probably the weakest side the Tractor Boys have fielded for 11 years that lit the touch paper, but rather the sense that something is fundamentally wrong at our club. Munby admitted this week that the board are “acutely concerned about the performances of the team”. He said they would do everything “to help the manager and his staff in terms of producing the kind of turnaround that we all wish to see”. But what more could the board possibly do? They provided the finances to keep Dean Ashton here back in August, they gave Worthy the all-clear to spend £450,000 on Dickson Etuhu, and Delia and Michael dug deep once again to bankroll the £50,000 signing of Carl Robinson. Then, with City fans hiding behind their sofas as Worthy prepared to splash the Ashton cash, they approved the £3.5m investment in Robert Earnshaw and the arrival of another two loan players (have we now set a club record?). All they can do now is sit back like the rest of us and hope that their unshakable faith in him is repaid with a miraculous run of results and a play-off place. Anything less will be wholly unacceptable given the resources the manager has had at his disposal and the loyalty of supporters who should be the envy of clubs around the country. Worthy cites injuries as being at the root of the problem, with 85 separate injuries this season compared to 22 two years ago. So what does it say that amidst this personnel crisis, that the team he has fielded in recent weeks has featured so many of the players he has brought here since August? Peter Thorne, Andy Hughes, Jurgen Colin, Dickson Etuhu all played at Reading, where we were outclassed all over the pitch. Hughes and Etuhu also started the game against Ipswich although the duo - who cost this club the best part of £1m - were both taken off at half-time having made little impact. Worthy accepted our passing was “non-existent” against Ipswich, but who constructed that midfield? And tell me this. Apart from Leon McKenzie, what other key City player has been unavailable through injury? Must we wait for Matthieu Louis-Jean to return to the starting-line-up before we can actually start defending? Sure, the treatment room has been like Piccadilly Circus, but in no way should this be allowed to deflect from the genuine questions that supporters are asking, of which these are just a few: Why does the team defend so deep in almost every game? Why did we play a 4-3-3 formation (including Simon Charlton in midfield) against rampant Reading, a side known for its attacking and penetrating wide play? Why were City offside 10 times against Ipswich compared to their one offence? Why are the players developed by our academy not graduating to the first team (and I don''t mean token appearances in the dying minutes of FA Cup matches)? Why was such a promising young player as Danny Crow released by the club? Why is our reserve side performing so abysmally? Why hasn''t the manager bought a right-sided midfielder? Why have we conceded so many goals despite the defence being reinforced by two permanent right-backs and three separate loan signings since the summer? Given the level of investment by the board, is it acceptable that Norwich have won only 19 of our last 75 league games? Why aren''t the board asking these questions of the manager? If the board want to see an example of a very different approach, they would do well to look to Watford. As the ex-assistant director of our own academy, Adrian Boothroyd, watched his side demolish Sheffield United 4-1 earlier this week, carefully taking notes on a sheet of paper throughout, it was “spot the difference” time. One of his established first-team midfielders is Ashley Young, a former Watford trainee who hails from Stevenage and is still only 20. He has 11 goals to his name this season and is one of the Hornets'' star players. Coming off the bench to replace him late in the game was Hameur Bouazza, also aged 20 and another home-grown talent. He has scored five goals so far this season. As for those he has brought in, Boothroyd signed Marlon King from Nottingham Forest in December for £500,000. Since joining Watford on loan at the start of the season, he has scored 15 goals and was named Championship player of the month for January. Coincidentally, £500,000 is what we paid for Andy Hughes, so which manager got the best deal? Answers on a postcard . . . http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/commentary/FansEye.aspx

A warm feeling?  Are you sure you hadn''t just wet the bed twosheds!? [:)] Lets hope you''re right mate

What an excellent feature!  I do the one on the sky web site everyday.  Great fun

[quote user="A load of squit"] The board is not ''weak'', a weak board would''ve panicked and replaced the manager.   [/quote] No that would have been a sensible board squit.  They haven''t got the balls to admit they might just be wrong

What about for the greater good though?  For the first time (I think EVER in the 12 years I''ve had a season ticket) I really don''t give a toss anymore.  I''m not upset when we lose, I''m not delighted when we win.  This lack of passion is due to the fact that nothing is going to change.  If we beat Hull tomorrow, I''ll be pleased of course.  But I know it won''t lead to a promotion push.  If we lose tomorrow, I know it won''t spell the end of Nigel''s time here. 

When he finally leaves I will thank him for his early work.  Anyone who says Worthington didn''t achieve anything here is talking rubbish.  He kept us up and got us up.  The simple fact is though, he''s taken us right back to where we were 5 years ago.  He''s run his course at this club

The simple fact is that whatever side Worthington puts out will probably be the strongest side we have had all season.  Players like Leon and Saf are back and the only real injuries are MLJ and Ryan Jarvis (who wouldn''t get a game anyway).  The "88 injuies" excuse will be a pretty thin arguement if we get turned over by Hull

[quote user="Tom_NCFC"][quote user="sussexcanary"] no decent young players [/quote] Lewis, Rossi J, Ryan J! [/quote] What evidence do you have that they are decent?  Lewis has never played for the first team and the Jarvis'' between them haven''t made double figures for appearances.  The fact is that the youth policy at this club has ground to a halt in the last 5 years.  The Ipswich game illustrated that pretty clearly

We could sign Terry, Gerrard, Lampard, Van Nistlerooy and Henry but it wouldn''t make the blindest bit of difference until we fundamentally change the way we play football.  There is no point in throwing money at Worthington.  He spent a hell of a lot in January and the scum game showed it doesn''t make any difference.  Until we get the ball on the deck and pass the bloody thing, nothing will change

He didn''t go though did he? 

Hmm one of the finest young strikers in Scotland.  Playing good football under a young, successful manager.  Yep, he''s going to come to a mid table Championship side [*-)]

I disagree Tom.  When a new manager comes in he invariably brings his own assistant and coches from whichever club he was at last.  I can''t imagine Livermore et al working under a different guy

Definitely.  Sack the whole coaching staff.  Let the new guy pick his own staff and do it his own way

[quote user="The Great Drinkell"] [quote user="Web Team - Pete"]Because Kathy''s opinions are spot on.[/quote]  No Pete they just happen to be the same as your opinion.   [/quote] I can see the headlines in the EDP tomorrow: "Two Norwich fans in thinking alike shocker!" Kathy is absolutely right Drikell and a great many people think so

[quote user="A load of squit"] Why do you think this is ''excellent'', I think its just another rant by someone who''s let thier emotions get the better of them.   [/quote] That''s rubbish squit.  Kathy''s comments are 100% spot on.  Which part of that in your view was inaccurate?