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Agreed Ark.  It is entirely consistent to say that Nigel has done a great job for Norwich and will be one of our all time greats; he is in the Hall of Fame after all and rightly so but his time has past and now it is for someone fresh to pick up the baton and take City forward.

Dicky, it''s nice for once to read a posting from you that comes from the heart and shows your true feelings for the club.  Getting rid of Worthy may not improve things but can they get any worse? If I remember correctly, you run a business.  I have run several and am now a freelance consultant.  We both know that however competent a manager may be, if credibility with subordinates and customers is destroyed then if if is difficult if not impossible to recover.  Keeping such a person in that post is counterproductive and can damage the business further.  Sometimes the fact action is taken is symbolically as important as the action itself. Faith is a great thing.  I too see my 35 year relationship with City as both a joy and a curse.  I suspect thatif this was happeniong in your business, faith would succumb to commercial reality and the need to be fair to those colleagues and customers whose confidence and interests are damaged by the situatuion   United in our love for City

Sorry......clicked wrong button on last posting and posted before spell check....please forgive illiteracies. DOH United in our love for City

God.... I''m agreeing with Dicky!!!!!! Worthy is not a disgrace.  He is a decent, honourable and dignified man who is now in a situation where he is out of his depth and failing to control a situation of his own making He should go....for his sake as much as the Club''s.  He needs some space to recover his confidence.  It would best for all, including him if he resigned quietly but he is in a corner and I doubt if he sees that. United in our love for City

A number of posters have referred to Worthy as Norwich''s most successful manager both as a fact and as a reason not to sack him.  But is he?....... Worthy won the Championship and saw us relegated in the first season Ron Saunders took us up as Champions and kept us there for the first season John Bond led us to promotion (not as Champions so one up to Worthy there) and kept us in the top division for four seasons leaving us there when he joined Man City Ken Brown was in charge when we were relegated twice and in both cases we bounced back straight away once as Champions.  In between, he kept us in the top division for three seasons. Dave Stringer led us in the top flight for five seasons as well as two FA Cup semifinals. Mike Walker also kept us in the top division and gave us our best ever placing as well as European qualification And Archie Macauley took us to the FA Cup semifinal as a third division club in 1959. Now all this is history of course and what really matters is our next match but whatever arguments you want to use to support the retention of Nigel, don''t say his is our most successful manager.  He is fifth or sixth on the list depending on how you assess it.  Not only can Norwich do better, they have done better several times in the past The other lesson that we learn from history is that all these managers had a finite life and sooner or later their star faded.  The last glimmers of Nigel''s star can be glimpsed on the edge of the horizon United in our love for City

HMMMMMM!!!!!! A true word spoken in jest perhaps. Especially given the delphic thread from Trent about player dissention

[quote]Oh no! Please don''t say I told you off!! I really didn''t mean to! And the service isn''t good this afternoon - I keep adding updates to the match report and they don''t come through online ... Technol...[/quote] No worries.  As you said Tuesday, we are all a little tense.  Without your wonderful service I''d be living off scraps from the national media and nowhere near as close to City or what is going on. Looks like you''ll be busy this evening for the wrong reasons unfortunately

[quote]Don''t forget the pink un match report - updated through the game (although not as fast as the text service - and the system keeps crashing on me!) http://new.pinkun.com/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline...[/quote] Sorry, I got told off by Celia on Tuesday too.  I seem to have a cache problem and don''t get pink un updatres quickly.  I''m still stuck on Hughes booking.

I''m only following this on BBC sport text updates but it seems that we haven''t had a shot in the last half hour. How bad is it???????

[quote]I am keeping up with the score - you must have something cached ....[/quote] Fair dos. Sorry if there are any unfair accusations

Strange that neither the club website nor the pink un are keeping up with the score?? No excuses are good enough to explain this away.  No KTF spin can remove this humiliation.  God knows I never wanted it to come to this with a performance that makes Fulham sound good but in the immortal words of Edward VIII as Prince of Wales "Something must be done"

[quote]I might have missed something but in all honesty haven''t we been on a losing streak since the start of the season. I might be wrong but if I was we''d surely have more than 16 points from 13 games ?[/quote] Forgive me but I thought our losing streak started in August 2004??!!??   How many wins and how many points since then?

To be honest Zipper these boards have been so boring with the true fan/your''re a binner/whinger etc. that a post saying "I agree with Zipper" and not adding any thing would not be of interest or use to anyone.  Mainly you''ve got there first with quality comments.  Good on you mate !! I have disagreed with you in the past and would have disagreed with you once more if you''d been down on Hughes again who I feel is a much better ball player than you give him credit for but you''ve stayed off that one recently. We have problems and there is a difference between blind faith and constructive criticism.  Like you I want City to succeed and will support them to the bitter end.  I just don''t believe this administration can do it.  There is another thread along the lines of how long has Worthy got before enough is enough?  My answer would be Fulham, may 2005.  But he is in charge and I still want us to win every game and get promoted.  As Gazza says elsewhere in her preview of tonight, whether it is good or bad we should tell like it is.   United in our love of City

I haven''t posted for a while because almost everything I wanted to say has already been said by Zipper or Gazza. I associate myself with all that Zipper has said over the last ten days and especially his post above.  We do want City to succeed and if they can do so in the present regime then I will be delighted.  If not then we need a new regime. For all the reasons Zipper outlines, the simple fact is that however full the glass is, it is not as full as it could or should be.  However Dicky and the others spin it, keeping the faith is not going to overcome or remove all the missed opportunities of the last 18 months.  The glass needs filling and filling quickly!!     United in our love for City

Congrats and best wishes Wiz.  Shankley was wrong.  Football is very important but not more so than good health. Although I agree with you more often than not, I think that you will be pleasantly surprised at the quality of the team when you get to see the boys once more.  It is far from perfect but far from dire as well. Good luck UNITED IN OUR LOVE FOR CITY

This is an away moment so perhaps doesn''t qualify but it is also my best chant so I''m doubling up on entries Remember Keith Bertschin from the early 80''s?  He scored 38 in 133 games and was a competent striker though prone to rushes of blood to the head. He came from Birmingham where he''d had a mixed relationship with the fans and I saw his return to St Andrews A through ball and Bertschin is on it like a leopard.  He has only the keeper to beat.  He hoofs it wildly wide. Instantly, spontaneously a massive chant erupts........ "Hello, hello, Bertschin is back, Bertschin is back"!!!!!!!

This is an away moment so perhaps doesn''t qualify but it is also my best chant so I''m doubling up on entries Remember Keith Bertschin from the early 80''s?  He scored 38 in 133 games and was a competent striker though prone to rushes of blood to the head. He came from Birmingham where he''d had a mixed relationship with the fans and I saw his return to St Andrews A through ball and Bertschin is on it like a leopard.  He has only the keeper to beat.  He hoofs it wildly wide. Instantly, spontaneously a massive chant erupts........ "Hello, hello, Bertschin is back, Bertschin is back"!!!!!!!

And the board even has philosophy hence this "Why are we here" debate. I don''t know about other web boards because this is the only one that I use.  Like many people, I read for a while before posting nd there is a sense of breaking into a private party.  That soon goes and there is a good standard of debate most of the time. Noone has been really nasty to me so I can''t look at this Board as perhaps Wiz or Dicky might but I feel that there is a lack of respect for other''s views.  Just the title "Worthy Out boys are pathetic"  appalls me as would one headed "The Keep the Faith boys are benighted cretins". Personally I am a doubter and line up with the reasoning sceptics such as Zipper and Gazza.  We are improving and that is good.  There is still far to go before this club will seem well managed and coached to me. But hey, disagree with me.  Argue with me.  That''s fine.  Just respect the sincerity of my views and my commitment to the club as I respect yours.   Abuse has no place on this Board   UNITED IN OUR LOVE FOR CITY

And I remember seeing City win without MacDougall, Boyer, Reeves, Drinkell, Bellamy and Roberts.  In fact, there may even have been games when they played, we won and they didn''t score but I can''t be sure. Sorry, your point..............??!!??

[quote]For the very last time, it''s ronaldinho. if you don''t like it - don''t sing it.[/quote] That''s a bit prescriptive if not censorious surely Ronbol.  Can''t we sing whatever we want? If I want to join in and change the disputed line to Safris here and he''s drinking cocoa (to take an unlikely example......) who is to stop me? As long as we sing wholeheartedly, Youssef will get the message and the atmosphere will be good and surely that is all that matters!

You can''t leave it alone can you Dicky?  The posters who said they would boo were a very smallgrouping within the much larger unhappy sector.  You don''t have to love Worthy or agree totally with what is happening at Carrow Road to cheer the team on.  Whether or not the worried posters of this board are typical of fans genearlly is impossible to tell because in your hasre to have yet another pop, you are applying the wrong test I thought Saturday was a disaster at a number of levels and Worthy blundererd big time but.... I was the only person in my row stamdimg to applaud when Hughesey came round.  You can love the club, cheer the team and be worried about the failure to reach potential over the last 18 months. Only a fool would think nothing is wrong at the moment and you are no fool.  Hundreds if not thousands left early on Saturday and I heard not a single positive comment in the crowd around me as I left.  Anecdotal perhaps but less so than your half time clapometer!! The difference between most of us who use this site is not what is wrong but how to put it right.  Winning tonight will help but will not be the recovery any more than Ipswich was nor will losing tonight will be terminal anymore than Leeds was.  The fans are cheering because they love the team.  If I was there I would cheer.  It would not mean anything more than that I was trying to support the team to victory and not that Worthy is suddenly on top of his game. the selection is right and the coaching has started to work. You believe things will correct themselves organically.  I do not.  Time will tell. Either way, the fans will suppport the team and there is little that can be judged from how we treat the teasm especially when we are ahead at half time. I hope that we have a victory to celebrate together tomorrow.  Even so there will be along way to go.

Not only do i remember Wagstaff who always scored goals against us at the wrong time but because he was such a rough and tumble, chubby, bumptious, strutting and impossible to ignore or dislike sort of a bloke.....I actually named one of my cats after him. Wagstaff the cat was a real character: a burly bruiser of a tom who always got his own way even when up against bigger and better cats.  In fact, just like Ken!!

Spot on Gazza. It''s not just the avoidable slide into mediocrity but the complete denial that anything is going wrong.   As I''ve said before, the way things are going the team talk will soon consist of the issuing of ruby slippers and instructions to think happy thoughts. I could live with the present problems; these things happen to any team after all - ask Wenger but only if I could see that it was recognised and being addressed but instead we have this parallel universe where it is alweays sunny, birds sing and only the most fiendish bad luck leads us not to easily win all our games. Is Nigel Worthington a figment of my imagination or am I a figment of his?                                                                          

Yes!! I am far from impressed with the lack of effective coaching and the failings of tactics and substitutions BUT I have said things under pressure that I''ve regretted and I wouldn''t hold this against Nigel UNLESS he doesn''t apologise in which case the relationship between this particular fan and the manager will take a turn for the worse,

[quote]you need to clean your ears out dicky that was one heck of alot of boos mate[/quote] And those of us in the South (Jarrold!!) Stand were looking at each other, shaking heads and asking what the hell was going on!!!