did bunn cost us today?

[BroadstairsR 2,227]

I agree with you Purple. We are not safe yet and cannot have a second rater with little pedigree of note.

 

Give him West Ham but if he is as awful as yesterday then replace ASAP.

 

This is a vital position for a team in our situation. Vital.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

 Purple, that`s ultimately  the question for those that know a damn side more about Bunn, goal keeping, how he responds in training, the rate at which he shows improvement etc.than any of us. One thing is for sure, posters that harp on about him being too small don`t know too much, he is certainly big enough to be a quality keeper. The manager will already know about his progress and his ability to progress further so the MIGHT in your post will be less of an unknown for him. For my money I would stick with what we have and put all our money  into the best striker we can afford.

[Surfer 1,547]

" The concern is that he doesn''t seem too good at controlling his box. I had thought this before yesterday. Let''s hope he improves with confidence. Believe you me. I want to rate him. His role will be important to us for a while."

Agreed. It''s been pretty obvious that we really miss Ruddy, and doubly unfortunate that when we need the defence to be the strongest part of our team, we''ve lost him. So I wouldn''t be suprised to see another keeper come in during the window, plus of course some additional options up front.

[nutty nigel 7,667]

[quote user="Highland Canary"]Nutty - I agree we got relegated in 94/95 because we were shockingly poor but a significant contributory factor was the loss of Gunn. I think it prudent that we invest in an experienced GK as competition for Bunn. Think of it as an insurance cost we have to suffer as a result of Ruddy''s injury.[/quote]

 

I think I''ll start a thread and tell the truth about 94/95 for those with such short memories. The only reason I haven''t done is because it will attract the Chase is God clan who only remember about two seasons. Even the goalkeeper situation is different. But as you all rightly point out, if Hughton decides we need a keeper he will go out in January and get one. And, more importantly, the board at our club in 2013 will back him. Just as they did in the summer and last January and the previous summer.....

 

They will not carry on selling every player worth anything ala Big Fat Bob 1993/5.

 

 

[Yellow Wal 314]

Let''s remember that in ''95 we had one choice and only one choice.

We still have three keepers to choose from, two of which have England youth international experience and are being trained by the England goalkeeping coach.

The position at the club could not be in better hands to be assessed. If we need a new keeper the manager and the goalkeeping expert will do something about it.

[Six Pack 95]

[quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="star_manic"]definitely bad judgement for the second goal, and late going down for the own goal. he has never kept a clean sheet in all the matches he has played in the PL, which says something about his abilities, as well as those of the teams he has appeared for.[/quote]The amount of hindsight on this thread is incredible. People were making comments like this about Ruddy when he first started playing for us, and holding up Forster as some sort of unbeatable super-keeper.I''m not saying Bunn will turn out to be another potential England keeper, but in the judgement of the management team (who include Dave Watson), he''s the best option we''ve got. By all means give Rudd or Steer a game in the cup, in the same way as we did for Bunn, but scapegoating someone is a sure-fire way of ensuring their performance will go down, not up. Let''s get behind what we''ve got.And for those suggesting getting another keeper in - is that really the best use of our cash? Surely we should be concentrating on up front?[/quote]

Dave Watson - our new goalkeeping coach - this is the source of the problem isn''t it ? - we''ve got someone in the team selection process - that doesn''t know the back end of a camel from the front. The premiership is very high stakes - any weak links need to be weeded out - Dave Watson - get rid !

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="Six Pack"]Dave Watson - our new goalkeeping coach - this is the source of the problem isn''t it ? - we''ve got someone in the team selection process - that doesn''t know the back end of a camel from the front. The premiership is very high stakes - any weak links need to be weeded out - Dave Watson - get rid ![/quote]

Seriously? Dave Watson is regarded as the BEST goalkeeping coach in the country. As well as working with the England international team his previous work was with Birmingham. Joe Heart played under him, and went from a raw, talented, youngster to England number 1. Ben Foster went from a bench-warming goalkeeper to someone who was legitimately considered to play for England and is now a good premiership goalkeeper. Butland became the hottest goalkeeping prospect in the country under his tutelage FFS. He has more pedigree than damn near anyone on our team. To highlight him as a weakness is f***ing laughable on your part. 

[nutty nigel 7,667]

I don''t get that either. He must be one of the highest rated goalkeeping coaches in the country. I would think we have our best set up ever under Hughton.

 

 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,047]

I do not understand why people have to single individuals out, we win as a team, we lose as a team.....simples!!....

[gorlestongirl 0]

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I do not understand why people have to single individuals out, we win as a team, we lose as a team.....simples!!....

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Absolutely. Man City put 6 past Ruddy at Carrow Road last season. Don''t remember Ruddy being singled out for blame.

[Six Pack 95]

[quote user="Phillip J Fry"][quote user="Six Pack"]Dave Watson - our new goalkeeping coach - this is the source of the problem isn''t it ? - we''ve got someone in the team selection process - that doesn''t know the back end of a camel from the front. The premiership is very high stakes - any weak links need to be weeded out - Dave Watson - get rid ![/quote]

Seriously? Dave Watson is regarded as the BEST goalkeeping coach in the country. As well as working with the England international team his previous work was with Birmingham. Joe Heart played under him, and went from a raw, talented, youngster to England number 1. Ben Foster went from a bench-warming goalkeeper to someone who was legitimately considered to play for England and is now a good premiership goalkeeper. Butland became the hottest goalkeeping prospect in the country under his tutelage FFS. He has more pedigree than damn near anyone on our team. To highlight him as a weakness is f***ing laughable on your part. 

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You don''t think goalkeeper is a weakness in our team at the moment ? Whose responsibility is it for choosing & preparing goalkeepers for matches ? - Can Watson convert any "average Joe" into a good goalkeeper ? Answer - no. (Hart & Foster are not good examples as they were good keepers from the beginning).

"f***ing laughable on my part" ? I suggest WBA, Chelsea & Man City are doing the laughing at our expense and West Ham are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of playing against Bunn in goal and Watson is picking him isn''t he ?

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="Six Pack"][quote user="Phillip J Fry"][/quote]

You don''t think goalkeeper is a weakness in our team at the moment ? Whose responsibility is it for choosing & preparing goalkeepers for matches ? - Can Watson convert any "average Joe" into a good goalkeeper ? Answer - no. (Hart & Foster are not good examples as they were good keepers from the beginning).

"f***ing laughable on my part" ? I suggest WBA, Chelsea & Man City are doing the laughing at our expense and West Ham are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of playing against Bunn in goal and Watson is picking him isn''t he ?[/quote]

That wasn''t my point though was it? I never even mentioned the relative strengths or weaknesses of our goalkeeping position. I''m willing to argue a valid point, but this is a typical strawman argument and not worthy of my attention. 

Also, why on earth do you think Watson is picking Bunn? He is a COACH his job is to train and prepare players who services may or may not be called upon by the head coach or manager, Hughton, sure Watson may make suggestions as to who he thinks is better prepared but the final choice is completely Hughton''s, if you can''t understand that then may I suggest you stop trying to comprehend football?

[Indy 3,344]

Some very unfair comments about Bunn, he certainly didn''t cost us anything Saturday, he made a couple fantastic saves and credit to the fantastic players who scored in Dzeko and Aguero, both the pass and movement were superb and the luck on both occasions were with Man City, the first the ball over the top hit Bassong on the shoulder and dropped to Aguero to finish and the second the ball hit the post for goodness sake then bounced back and went in, how can you blame Bunn?

 

I''m more concerned that Bunn does look small and has a lock of authority in the box that Ruddy has.

[Six Pack 95]

[quote user="Phillip J Fry"][quote user="Six Pack"][quote user="Phillip J Fry"][/quote]

You don''t think goalkeeper is a weakness in our team at the moment ? Whose responsibility is it for choosing & preparing goalkeepers for matches ? - Can Watson convert any "average Joe" into a good goalkeeper ? Answer - no. (Hart & Foster are not good examples as they were good keepers from the beginning).

"f***ing laughable on my part" ? I suggest WBA, Chelsea & Man City are doing the laughing at our expense and West Ham are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of playing against Bunn in goal and Watson is picking him isn''t he ?[/quote]

That wasn''t my point though was it? I never even mentioned the relative strengths or weaknesses of our goalkeeping position. I''m willing to argue a valid point, but this is a typical strawman argument and not worthy of my attention. 

Also, why on earth do you think Watson is picking Bunn? He is a COACH his job is to train and prepare players who services may or may not be called upon by the head coach or manager, Hughton, sure Watson may make suggestions as to who he thinks is better prepared but the final choice is completely Hughton''s, if you can''t understand that then may I suggest you stop trying to comprehend football?

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Why have you replied if it is not worth your attention ? Because he is England goalkeeping coach - you expect everybody to close their eyes to sub standard performances & marvel on his CV. Dave Watson is very relevant to our goalkeeping problem or solution at the moment. If he is hired by the club as the goalkeeping specialist, we hope he influences performances on the pitch. "Discussing the relative strengths or weaknesses of our goalkeeping position" as you say is exactly what this OP is about.

In his capacity as goalkeeping coach - what is Watson''s role ? Does he discuss & device tactics with Bunn (for example) as to how to combat WBA penning opposition keepers in at set pieces, etc ?

Or is he merely there to help keepers train hard on the simple 5% their game that will improve 95% of their overall game - as the sales pitch goes.

I''d thought he is in the selection process if he gives Hughton advice on his goalkeepers. Hughton can''t do it all himself so rely on word his lieutenants. So Watson can he influence the selection of goalkeeper. Of course he is an employee and not fans like ourselves so may be a "yes" man - probably won''t stick his neck out and say "I think this guy''s too small".

I''m not blaming Bunn for every goal conceded. But the first WBA goal & 4th Man City goal would have been saved by a premiership level keeper. Ruddy would have saved the Chelsea goal as well. That''s 3 points. I didn''t bring up Dave Watson first on this OP. But believe he is relevant to & responsible for goalkeeping performance at this club.