Suarez is not a diver!

[pete 372]

Who says so everyone associated with Liverpool FC.  Did they not see his antics against Stoke, have they not learned anything from the racism issue.  If he wasn''t such a Tom Daley in the box which refs seem to have taken on board see obvious penalty denied at Carrow Rd.  What is more worrying is Liverpools defence of the undefencable. 

[Indy 3,471]

To be honest all players take a dive at some stage, it''s part of the game which I loath, it''s not new to the game just a lot more common!

 

If the players can''t controll diving then retro ban is the only way to eliminate this from the game. It has to be looked at on replay as you cannot judge at the split moment.

 

I believe there should be given a review system to the managers who can call for penalty awards, sending off and goal line goals to be reviewed via a two review per game system, if you call it wrong you lose that review. A fiar system and one which does not influence the game''s result.

 

It''s all well and good getting a red card recinded but you might have lost the game because your down to 10 men. It has to be an instant review to ensure the correct call is made.

 

 

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

According to the Southfolk Grant Holt is the biggest diver in the game. For sure, he is expert at collapsing like a deck of cards at the slightest touch.

 

I love him for it, as I am sure I would love Suarez if he wore the yellow. Defenders are expert at getting in that well-concealed nudge after all.

[ZLF 335]

He is far from the only one and despite media hysteria to the contrary it is not just a "foreign" problem.   

Since the start of last season 10 of the 20 players booked for diving were British,  with Suarez and Bale being the only players booked twice.

Bale is as bad as Suarez,  but the coverage he gets is miniscule.   

 

Diving is a blight on the game - but everyone does it.   That the FA did nothing about either Suarez or Bales Olympian efforts shows how far out of touch they are - and a rare thing to agree with Tony Pulis on!  

 

[Nuff Said 5,973]

According to Owen everyone does it but it''s all the fault of foreigners. [8-)]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19905197

[Bws Cat 0]

I have to confess that when I see Holty collapse to the ground I facepalm and sigh.

I really hate it diving with a passion, it is a dishonourable and cheap way to win match-winning free kicks and penalties. It is not allowed and there should be retro bans. 2-3 games for the worst offenders, if you clamp down on it harshly then the players will know not to touch the hot stuff again.

It''s cheating plain and simple, and whoever says it is "clever" I cannot agree with, it''s just stupid falling to the ground like a domino and whinging and whining.

Not to mention the fact it look''s bad on the team and players to neutrals and it''s food for Ipswich to have a good chew on and spit out.

[Bws Cat 0]

Another point I would like to add is that it is another thing wrong with football.

Whenever I talk to my non-football friends about it they just say "All footballers do it" so it looks bad to the public (player wages is another big one, but that''s another debate, another place)

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

"I have to confess that when I see Holty collapse to the ground I facepalm and sigh. I really hate it diving with a passion, it is a dishonourable and cheap way to win match-winning free kicks and penalties. It is not allowed and there should be retro bans. 2-3 games for the worst offenders, if you clamp down on it harshly then the players will know not to touch the hot stuff again. It''s cheating plain and simple, and whoever says it is "clever" I cannot agree with, it''s just stupid falling to the ground like a domino and whinging and whining. Not to mention the fact it look''s bad on the team and players to neutrals and it''s food for Ipswich to have a good chew on and spit out."

 

 

Everything therin is perfectly correct, but what came first? Defenders are experts at the suruptitious nudge just at the right moment. Forwards now respond by making the most of it.

 

The Owen article above outlines all this to perfection. Unlike us, his remarks are based upon experience.

 

Cheating? Maybe not. I believe that ''gamesmanship'' is the polite way of putting it nowadays.

[Indy_Bones 444]

Maybe if referees actually did their jobs properly and gave pens to players who''ve clearly been fouled in the area but have tried to stay on their feet, instead of ignoring this and only dishing pens out for players who collapse at the slightest touch we''d get somewhere.I don''t condone diving but players these days have to look at the big picture, do they ''dive'' and get a pen for their team which could be the difference between survival or winning the league, or do they stay on their feet, get f''all for their honesty and potentially cost the team points by doing this?We need someone to come in and ensure that the rules of the game are correctly applied because at the minute there''s too many teams/players getting away with obvious fouls and cheating, and others being unfairly punished when they''re not!

[lake district canary 0]

There are a lot of pitfalls of being a football supporter.   One of the great sights in football in the past is seeing players ride tackles and keep going despite all the odds.   In recent years they are few and far between.    Sean Wright-Philips when he was younger used to do that - but it looks to have been coached out of him.    "If you feel a nudge go down" is the rule these days and football is the poorer for it.   As Indy says, refs should see fouls for what they are - and  not what players make of them or how loud the appeals are.   

We need strong characters as refs and we need strong characters as managers to resist the trends of falling over too easily.    Honesty is underated these days - if a club went down the Brian Clough route and insisted on complete honesty from the players - which was one of the main reasons he was so successful - it would set a good example.   

   

[ZLF 335]

[quote user="lake district canary"]There are a lot of pitfalls of being a football supporter.   One of the great sights in football in the past is seeing players ride tackles and keep going despite all the odds.   In recent years they are few and far between.    Sean Wright-Philips when he was younger used to do that - but it looks to have been coached out of him.    "If you feel a nudge go down" is the rule these days and football is the poorer for it.   As Indy says, refs should see fouls for what they are - and  not what players make of them or how loud the appeals are.   



We need strong characters as refs and we need strong characters as managers to resist the trends of falling over too easily.    Honesty is underated these days - if a club went down the Brian Clough route and insisted on complete honesty from the players - which was one of the main reasons he was so successful - it would set a good example.   





   
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Spot on

[Bws Cat 0]

"strong characters as managers"

Type that into google and you get this

Do you mean?: David Moyes

I heard he clamps down pretty well at diving

[Yellow Wal 315]

"Indy_Bones" - Maybe if referees actually did their jobs properly and gave pens to players who''ve clearly been fouled in the area but have tried to stay on their feet, instead of ignoring this and only dishing pens out for players who collapse at the slightest touch we''d get somewhere.

I don''t condone diving but players these days have to look at the big picture, do they ''dive'' and get a pen for their team which could be the difference between survival or winning the league, or do they stay on their feet, get f''all for their honesty and potentially cost the team points by doing this?

We need someone to come in and ensure that the rules of the game are correctly applied because at the minute there''s too many teams/players getting away with obvious fouls and cheating, and others being unfairly punished when they''re not!

Spot on Indy, but how dare you complain about those hard done by referees. The FA won''t have that.

It''s not just penalties, footballers are becoming pansies. Any of them who fall over unnecessarily, anywhere on the pitch, should be booked.

I am fed up with seeing grown men get a brush on the head and collapse in a heap.

That thug Barton attacked those athletic, strong Man City players and they were both writhing in agony. If it happened to you in the street you would probably turn to him and ask him what the hell he was doing, not collapse in a heap. I''m not standing up for Barton, he''s a fool but take another look at that ............ would you fall over like that?

Bring back the Franny Lee, Norman Hunter confrontations, at least you knew something had actually happened. Bremner and Keegan was interesting too!

[Bws Cat 0]

I have to say from experience yellow wall, playing a hard 80 or so minutes and then get winded hurts a lot more than you would think.

[Yellow Wal 315]

BW''s Cat: So what is the reason they fall over in the first ten minutes?

And after playing the game for more years than I would like to remember I know what hurts and what doesn''t.

I have played with players who would have more self respect than to writhe about in ''agony'' after an anonymous challenge.

How many times nowadays do you think "He hardly touched him" when a player is rolling about on the ground?

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]BW''s Cat: So what is the reason they fall over in the first ten minutes? And after playing the game for more years than I would like to remember I know what hurts and what doesn''t. I have played with players who would have more self respect than to writhe about in ''agony'' after an anonymous challenge. How many times nowadays do you think "He hardly touched him" when a player is rolling about on the ground?[/quote]

 

I know that when a player is badly hurt he lays still..

 

 

[Bws Cat 0]

Yellow wall I think you are mistaken, if you read my other posts you would know that I oppose diving strongly.

I was referring to the Barton-man city event.

[Mello Yello 2,573]

Suarez dives so much, he has a snorkel for a spine......

[Jacko 0]

I am delighted Suarez is not getting decisions from referees. It an example to youngsters that cheats will not always prosper (in terms of refereeing at least). Referees being forced to make split second decisions will quite rightly err on the side of caution. Based on his previous antics how can you genuinely say with 100% cetainty what you have seen from him is genuine.

The big losers are Liverpool and Suarez. He should have a penalty against us and Stoke should have been down to 10 men for Shawcross''s crude stamp on him. I bet that between now and the end of the season he receives more rough justice from officials. But he can''t complain. He has to take responsibility for his actions.

[Phillip J Fry 0]

Problem with Suarez is that it''s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Suarez goes down easily, so referees ignore him. Suarez gets legitimately fouled (sometimes horribly so) but because of his reputation he doesn''t get the decision. Suarez, in desperation, starts to dive or exaggerate his falls in order to get decisions. His actions are analysed and condemned and his reputation is enhanced so referees still don''t give decisions and it goes on and on and on... 

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

I suspect Suarez arrived on these shores with his bad habits.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC-H2wXK4T4&feature=related

 

No comment really. The accompanying music is apt though.  

 

 

[Yellow Wal 315]

BW''s Cat: I fully believe Barton is a fool and accept your post for what it was. I also detest diving, not just to get penalties and free kicks but those incidents that are designed to get fellow players into trouble.

Nutty is spot on .... those players who roll around on the ground are nowhere near as hurt as the player who lays still but the problem is that there are so many players rolling around.

Again .... anyone who falls over unecessarily should be booked, whether they are fouled or not!

[First Wazzock 1,014]

You know Suarez is playing when the fourth official is a lifeguard!