Yellow Messiah 0 Posted August 24, 2011 To tell the truth, I am glad we are out of the Cup and agree with what Warnock said about it, but I''m not glad about the manner of our performance last night one bit. The League Cup needs to be seriously changed to make it worthwhile for clubs to be in, my suggestion is to have the cup separated into regions e.g east anglia (Norwich, Ipswich, Colchester, Southend,Peterborough, Northampton) this would produce more local derbys for teams playing in different divisons which would hopefully boost attendences and make the games worthwhile. Even for us, last night was a good oppurtunity for squad players to stake a place in the first team and improve their fitness. The best game so far in the competion was Nottingham Forest V Notts County and the atmosphere was superb like I''m sure any Norwich Ipswich game in the cup would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 I haven''t seen any figures, but I always assumed it wasn''t seen as a priority as it doesn''t provide much financial reward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend Iwan 30 Posted August 24, 2011 Well for starters there is a huge difference between prize money for winning the League Cup (£100,000) and staying in the Prem (£90m). Probably has something to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 100k for winning it? No wonder no-one cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 That''s about one players wages for a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend Iwan 30 Posted August 24, 2011 [quote user="Fr. Chewy Louie"]That''s about one players wages for a season.[/quote]Or for a top Premierhsip team a week, in some cases three and a bit days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChelmsfordCanary 0 Posted August 24, 2011 How about a place in Europe at the end of it??Just a thought it would be an incentive plus bigger pot for winning it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend Iwan 30 Posted August 24, 2011 You already get a Europa League spot if you win League Cup. But even then the early qualifying rounds only net you about £80,000. In relation to prize money, I can''t see it reaching the levels most teams would be persuaded by to take it seriously because it is run by the Football League, and it''s not like they are rolling in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 Uh, they do get a place in Eurpoe don''t they? But it''s the Europa League which no-one wants to be in either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 851 Posted August 24, 2011 I like the regions idea lots, break the first 3 rounds into regions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyc24_uk 79 Posted August 24, 2011 [quote user="Fr. Chewy Louie"]... But it''s the Europa League which no-one wants to be in either.[/quote]Sorry, but that''s ridiculous. Other than perhaps 5 or 6 clubs (Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, arguably Spurs), every other club in the country would be delighted to play in the Europa League. Would you really say you don''t want to see Norwich play in Europe, unless it''s the Champions League?! Let''s face reality - Unless we get taken over by an Abramovich type, there is no way this club will ever make the Champions League. I''m delighted as anyone to see Norwich back in the top flight, and I believe that, with the right management, smart investment in players, and a sound financial structure - all of which appear to be in place now - we can realistically become a solid midfield Premiership team, along the lines of where Villa, Everton etc have been over the past 20 years. But we''re never going to make the top 4. The game is such today that it''s just not going to happen. The Europa League - although far from perfect as a competition - is the best Norwich - and almost any other club, aside form the ''big 6'' can hope to qualify for. That alone should be enough to make teams take the League Cup seriously. the big boys can afford to ignore it - they''re almost guaranteed European football anyhow through the league. But for middle-ranking Premiership teams and below, it''s the most likely route to European football - and if you look at Fulham a couple of seasons ago, it''s clear that a smaller club - similar in many respects to Norwich - can achieve great things in the Europa League.Having said that, Lambert was absolutely right in prioritising league survival this season. The key to this campaign is to stay up, and he quite rightly rested those who are essential to the effort, ahead of perhaps one of the top three toughest games we''ll face this season. It''s disappointing that so many of the backup players embarrassed themselves last night, but that doesn''t mean the cup itself is worthless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 Mich McCarthy disagrees:http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2011/08/24/europa-league-a-risk-for-mick-mccarthy/(Link probably won''t work due to crappy forum) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 Yeah, if we got into the Europa League I''d watch it and want us to do well, but it''s a pale, pale shadow of the UEFA Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyc24_uk 79 Posted August 24, 2011 [quote user="Canaryfan1"]...The League Cup needs to be seriously changed to make it worthwhile for clubs to be in, my suggestion is to have the cup separated into regions e.g east anglia (Norwich, Ipswich, Colchester, Southend,Peterborough, Northampton) this would produce more local derbys for teams playing in different divisons which would hopefully boost attendences and make the games worthwhile... [/quote]Yes, I think that''s a very good idea. Something certainly does need to be done to improve the League Cup... Regionalising the earlier rounds would be a very good way of doing it, for the reasons Canaryfan1 mentioned. I can see it working here in East Anglia, but I think it would be even more successful in, for example, a Greater Manchester region, where it might give the likes of Macclesfield, Oldham and Bury a chance against Man United and City; or London, where Orient and AFC Wimbledon might get a crack at Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyc24_uk 79 Posted August 24, 2011 The thing I''ve never been able to understand is why the Cup Winners'' Cup was abolished. I just don''t see what UEFA gained by scrapping it... I''d love to see that back again, but kept strictly for FA cup winners - One entry from each country, except for the holders getting automatic entry if they''re not in the CL or Europa league. Then open up an additional league spot for each country for the Europa. I get why they changed the UEFA cup - trying to make it more like the CL with group stages, more matches = more excitement for fans and money for the teams involved etc... but scrapping the CWC still ranks as one of the worst footballing decisions of the past 20 years for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 610 Posted August 24, 2011 How about scrapping the whole competition?The FA Cup is enough.At least we don''t have the JPT too this year!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkshire Canary 118 Posted August 24, 2011 To be honest i would scrap it. Leagues 1 and 2 have the JPT. very few in the championship or the premiership seem interested in the competition anymore. Ironically it is one that years ago we had great success in but any competition whereby over half the top clubs field weakend sides and seem content to get knocked ourt of is dead, The European place could be given to something like a fair play performance or something like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 140 Posted August 24, 2011 We already have a place for the Fair Play award - that''s how Fulham are in it this year.I agree about scrapping it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMF 1,010 Posted August 25, 2011 For me the Carling Cup is one cup too many for most Clubs and I think that the only thing which is keeping most Premiership clubs interested in playing in the Carling Cup is the Europa League spot it offers for the winners.If this was scrapped (and I think it should be) and given to the sixth placed team in the Premiership, all Premier League clubs would cease to participate in the Cup immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelmsford Canary 0 Posted August 25, 2011 There is always talk of Scottish clubs (celtic and rangers). Could you add in the SPL clubs to the CC?Just an idea as I don''t want them in the league! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159 Posted August 25, 2011 The Craling Cup is not just one league too many, the whole of british football is sleazy and corrupt, from hidden multiple owners, gambling and betting organisations to dubious tax affairs, its all represented, did I mention Alisher Usmanov? If Norwich does not want to take part in the Carling cup because they want to keep their legs and knees in good condition for the premiere league than that is understandable, 11 changes to the previous weeks team made this perfectly clear to us.Good luck with next opponent Chelsea, they need it. Oh yes, the wider world is all fine and dandy, nothing else ever happens! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted August 25, 2011 Again I think our view is blurred due to the fortunate reason that we have been in promotion chasing teams and now a season for survival. As many posters have said league position and status is more more financially rewarding hence the reward is not financial to a club like ours.Now the fa cup has loads of knockout rounds before the big boys come in. Well at least this way that is not the case, teams like us have come out of preseason and hence shocks can happen which is great.This cup competition does have a place, lower league teams can play a prem team early in the season, a mid table championship team can have a good run. It can for mid table prem teams be a way to Wembley and subsequently europe where the money will add up and exposure can be made.So I see the benefits for clubs that are not going to be in the mix for promotion (to the prem. only because the void is so massive) and those looking for survival. But otherwise it is a good competition this early on.It is all due to the induction of the premier league and big money. That is simply it, the voids between leagues have got bigger and subsequently cup fever has been dowsed and live televised games are a thing of the norm.I fear our last semi final will be the sunderland fa cup game in the 90''s. If I am a league 1/2 team then the cup games are great possible big boy team, but also JPT is massive a real chance to play at wembley.Because the cup games will be won by a prem team. I can tell you now Arsenal fans and the media would not be putting so much unjust pressure on wenger if they had won that league cup game last year. But it is good to see some arsenal fans say that this is not a worry remember the 80''s and a 18 year gap between winning titles.This whole idea that they are on a terrible dry run is ridiculous, welcome to the world of football it is cyclical. If you are top then everyones aims for you and that is what has happened to arsenal.But a trophy last season, even in the mickey mouse cup, is still a trophy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted August 25, 2011 I remember a few years ago we progressed through a couple of rounds. We won at Torquay, won at Rothertham and then lost on pens at Port Vale. Doomcaster said that "cup run" actually cost the club money as expenses weren''t even covered. McNally promised to weed out non-profitable business.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
