Come and meet Kevin Drinkell and Ken Brown

October 29, 2010

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Duncan Edwards"][quote user="The Butler"]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="TIL 1010"]I will be there with a camera just to capture the moment a member of the Edwards family pays to attend a NCISA function.Priceless!!!!!!![/quote]But will he join NCISA Tilly? Is the £5 charge an admission fee or a joining fee?[/quote]

Only members Lapp so I leave that to you to work out.

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So can I not pay the £5 to get in and then decide if I want to join NCISA or not?[/quote]

Thats a good question, so if people don''t want to join ncisa can''t they just pay the £5 admission fee on the door and not join?

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Evening CA

The whole point of what we are doing is to give something back to members.

This is for members so £5 will get you all the advantages of joining the new NCISA,(including this event)but it wont just get you into any functions organised by NCISA for NCISA members.

There''s lots more goodies to follow so I would say that would be a £5er well spent.(ask the members who have just won match tickets)

[/quote]Are these tickets purchased from the club by the NCISA for distrubution following ticket sales.... or a hand out from the club?If a ''hand out'' one must ask questions about it''s independence. Taking the Kings Shilling and all that......Just wondering...........[*-)][/quote]

I''m sure you know the answer to that question my lightly oiled friend[;)], but to reiterate, we purchase the tickets but put them into a raffle which is free to all members, and to which they are autonatically enrolled. I would suggest that that alone, although there are many other things to come (and I''m still waiting for the promised signed photos of you in the French maid outfit[:P]) makes the £5 subscription a great deal. Obvioulsy we want to increase the mebership, but we want to make it worth people''s while to join. I can''t believe that anyone would argue that that''s unreasonable.

[/quote]That''s alright then........Just testing............. [;)]

Beauseant · October 29, 2010

[quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Duncan Edwards"][quote user="The Butler"]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="TIL 1010"]I will be there with a camera just to capture the moment a member of the Edwards family pays to attend a NCISA function.Priceless!!!!!!![/quote]But will he join NCISA Tilly? Is the £5 charge an admission fee or a joining fee?[/quote]

Only members Lapp so I leave that to you to work out.

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So can I not pay the £5 to get in and then decide if I want to join NCISA or not?[/quote]

Thats a good question, so if people don''t want to join ncisa can''t they just pay the £5 admission fee on the door and not join?

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Evening CA

The whole point of what we are doing is to give something back to members.

This is for members so £5 will get you all the advantages of joining the new NCISA,(including this event)but it wont just get you into any functions organised by NCISA for NCISA members.

There''s lots more goodies to follow so I would say that would be a £5er well spent.(ask the members who have just won match tickets)

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Are these tickets purchased from the club by the NCISA for distrubution following ticket sales.... or a hand out from the club?

If a ''hand out'' one must ask questions about it''s independence. Taking the Kings Shilling and all that......

Just wondering...........[*-)]
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I''m sure you know the answer to that question my lightly oiled friend[;)], but to reiterate, we purchase the tickets but put them into a raffle which is free to all members, and to which they are autonatically enrolled. I would suggest that that alone, although there are many other things to come (and I''m still waiting for the promised signed photos of you in the French maid outfit[:P]) makes the £5 subscription a great deal. Obvioulsy we want to increase the mebership, but we want to make it worth people''s while to join. I can''t believe that anyone would argue that that''s unreasonable.

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That''s alright then........

Just testing............. [;)]
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....and the photos? CA has already bought 63 books of raffle tickets!

October 29, 2010

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Duncan Edwards"][quote user="The Butler"]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="TIL 1010"]I will be there with a camera just to capture the moment a member of the Edwards family pays to attend a NCISA function.Priceless!!!!!!![/quote]But will he join NCISA Tilly? Is the £5 charge an admission fee or a joining fee?[/quote]

Only members Lapp so I leave that to you to work out.

[/quote]

So can I not pay the £5 to get in and then decide if I want to join NCISA or not?[/quote]

Thats a good question, so if people don''t want to join ncisa can''t they just pay the £5 admission fee on the door and not join?

[/quote]

Evening CA

The whole point of what we are doing is to give something back to members.

This is for members so £5 will get you all the advantages of joining the new NCISA,(including this event)but it wont just get you into any functions organised by NCISA for NCISA members.

There''s lots more goodies to follow so I would say that would be a £5er well spent.(ask the members who have just won match tickets)

[/quote]Are these tickets purchased from the club by the NCISA for distrubution following ticket sales.... or a hand out from the club?If a ''hand out'' one must ask questions about it''s independence. Taking the Kings Shilling and all that......Just wondering...........[*-)][/quote]

I''m sure you know the answer to that question my lightly oiled friend[;)], but to reiterate, we purchase the tickets but put them into a raffle which is free to all members, and to which they are autonatically enrolled. I would suggest that that alone, although there are many other things to come (and I''m still waiting for the promised signed photos of you in the French maid outfit[:P]) makes the £5 subscription a great deal. Obvioulsy we want to increase the mebership, but we want to make it worth people''s while to join. I can''t believe that anyone would argue that that''s unreasonable.

[/quote]That''s alright then........Just testing............. [;)][/quote]

....and the photos? CA has already bought 63 books of raffle tickets!

[/quote]I''m expecting the Viagra in the post tomorrow...... Two of them and I''m up for anything....

Leedscanary · October 29, 2010

[quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Duncan Edwards"][quote user="The Butler"]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="TIL 1010"]I will be there with a camera just to capture the moment a member of the Edwards family pays to attend a NCISA function.Priceless!!!!!!![/quote]But will he join NCISA Tilly? Is the £5 charge an admission fee or a joining fee?[/quote]

Only members Lapp so I leave that to you to work out.

[/quote]

So can I not pay the £5 to get in and then decide if I want to join NCISA or not?[/quote]

Thats a good question, so if people don''t want to join ncisa can''t they just pay the £5 admission fee on the door and not join?

[/quote]

Evening CA

The whole point of what we are doing is to give something back to members.

This is for members so £5 will get you all the advantages of joining the new NCISA,(including this event)but it wont just get you into any functions organised by NCISA for NCISA members.

There''s lots more goodies to follow so I would say that would be a £5er well spent.(ask the members who have just won match tickets)

[/quote]Are these tickets purchased from the club by the NCISA for distrubution following ticket sales.... or a hand out from the club?If a ''hand out'' one must ask questions about it''s independence. Taking the Kings Shilling and all that......Just wondering...........[*-)][/quote]

I''m sure you know the answer to that question my lightly oiled friend[;)], but to reiterate, we purchase the tickets but put them into a raffle which is free to all members, and to which they are autonatically enrolled. I would suggest that that alone, although there are many other things to come (and I''m still waiting for the promised signed photos of you in the French maid outfit[:P]) makes the £5 subscription a great deal. Obvioulsy we want to increase the mebership, but we want to make it worth people''s while to join. I can''t believe that anyone would argue that that''s unreasonable.

[/quote]That''s alright then........Just testing............. [;)][/quote]

....and the photos? CA has already bought 63 books of raffle tickets!

[/quote]I''m expecting the Viagra in the post tomorrow...... Two of them and I''m up for anything.... [/quote]I don''t want any of you miserable bleeders to join NCISA anyway.... 1 in 350 chance of winning match tickets is better than 1 in 1000 chance! [;)]

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

[quote user="leedscanary"]

I don''t want any of you miserable bleeders to join NCISA anyway.... 1 in 350 chance of winning match tickets is better than 1 in 1000 chance! [;)]
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I reckon the miserable bleeders have probably already got their tickets Kev, so everyone''s happy[;)]

TIL 1010 · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Duncan Edwards"]I''d love to go and meet Kevin Drinkell again, he was my favourite player back then. I was lucky enough to be mascot against Sheff Wed in 1987 and warmed up Gunn with him, those that were there probably remember the little 8 year old knocking a pen into the top right hand corner..lol. Gunny remembered a few years later when I bumped into him in the city ( well he told me he did ). I''d love him to sign the photo I have from that day, am I ok to just turn up on the night and pay the entrance fee?[/quote]

I will be there with a camera just to capture the moment a member of the Edwards family pays to attend a NCISA function.Priceless!!!!!!!

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Now I don''t think the Edwards family have a problem with paying to attend a NCISA funtion whilst it''s in supporters club mode [H][:)]

Weather House - QwickStep Answers Search Engine

But there''s certainly one family member who would have a problem when they revert back to pressure group mode [st][:@]

At no point in this thread have I said, or implied anything about not paying to attend a NCISA function.

But you will now understand that I wouldn''t pay to attend a nCIsA function. I''m quite happy to debate/argue facts, but I have no intention of being drawn into disagreements about things I haven''t actually said. This was a thread about Kevin Drinkell''s book and NCISA''s forum with him and Ken Brown, which may, or may not be of interest to some posters. I do not wish to insult people by going off at a complete tangent, so if you would like to continue this let''s do so via PM, email or Facebook as I do not want to abuse this message board by encouraging yet another rambling thread about nCIsA''s past, because that''s not what the forum''s for.[;)]

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" I do not wish to insult people by going off at a complete tangent" so says weather vane Nutty.Priceless you just could not make this up.

"I''m quite happy to debate/argue facts" just as long as they come from the Nutty book of Info on NCFC.I am just loving this.It has really made my day...........Nutty you are taking the juice aren''t you?Please tell me this is not serious.

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

Got it in one Tilly. [Y]

I wonder why you didn''t notice it the other day when those comments were directed at me after you took the thread off at a complete tangent and I just put you right on a couple of things[:O][;)]

I''m not the one that rewrites history in my head to fit in with my current point of view. Think about it[;)]

ca · October 30, 2010

All I want to know Nutty are you going to do a u turn and join ncisa so that you can go to the Kevin Drinkell evening?[:)] and before you ask me the same question I''m still on the fence - ouch [:)]

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

I would happily join NCISA, the supporters club, why would anyone not? It''s a great deal!

But I won''t join nCIsA the pressure group.

I suspect you''re maybe on a different fence to me Angel.

ca · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

I would happily join NCISA, the supporters club, why would anyone not? It''s a great deal!

But I won''t join nCIsA the pressure group.

I suspect you''re maybe on a different fence to me Angel.[/quote]

But won''t they be a bit of both if things start going wrong?

As my login causes problems [ :o) ] · October 30, 2010

It is rumoured CA even though Nutty wont accept it that should the continued decline in supply of pies to the Upper River End continue, that the totally social Pie Eating And Conversational Events For Urban Ladies (PEACEFUL) may consider becoming a pressure group by boycotting the pies.

It is totally shocking that social activities and pressure grouping should ever be allowed to get within 300 miles of each other!

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

[quote user="cityangel"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

I would happily join NCISA, the supporters club, why would anyone not? It''s a great deal!

But I won''t join nCIsA the pressure group.

I suspect you''re maybe on a different fence to me Angel.[/quote]

But won''t they be a bit of both if things start going wrong?

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The club''s supporters are the only constant''s in the whole show. Chairmen, Boards, Managers and Players come and go, some taking their loyalty with them. The supporters remain loyal throughout. Our club has some of the most loyal supporters in the country despite the ridicule and likening to sheep by "those who know best" on here. Some Chairmen, managers and players manage to keep both. Geffrey Watling''s loyalty was never in doubt. Always a supporter. Robert Chase''s loyalty remained while he was at the club. Turner''s loyalty? Are they still season ticket holders? Delia and Michael have been fans since when? When Chase walked out the door? Or as long as you and I? Terry Allcock came here from Bolton in the 50''s and still a loyal fan today. Dave Stringer has been here nearly as long. Had a time at Cambridge but always returned to where his loyalties lay. And Darren Huckerby! Spent his last 5 years here but has remained a loyal fan. And us supporters have remained through all those years, all those ups and downs, because however bad it gets Norwich is our club and we won''t go elsewhere taking our loyalty with us.

Not sure if I''m explaining this too well but I believe a supporters club can''t suddenly become a pressure group when it''s members are disappointed by results. A supporters club shouldn''t withdraw it''s support because of this disappointment. So no I don''t believe one organisation can be both. For me it has to be one or the other. Which is why I liken what I believe we have now to my dear old Nan''s weather house.

PurpleCanary · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Not sure if I''m explaining this too well but I believe a supporters club can''t suddenly become a pressure group when it''s members are disappointed by results. A supporters club shouldn''t withdraw it''s support because of this disappointment. So no I don''t believe one organisation can be both. For me it has to be one or the other. Which is why I liken what I believe we have now to my dear old Nan''s weather house.

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I''m a fool to myself but I will bash my head against that bl**dy weather house one last time. Nutty, you are confusing "supportive" with "supporters". It is not the Norwich City Independent Supportive Association, ie a group that exists solely to back the hierarchy at Norwich City no matter what is going on at the club.

It is an association which is independent of the club consisting of people who are Norwich City supporters. It would perhaps end the confusion in your mind (or perhaps not!) if it was called the Norwich City Independent Fans'' Association. And fans, though they follow the club through thick and thin, do not - unless they are totally brain dead - support everything that goes on at a football club. Just ask Liverpool fans. Or Man Utd fans.

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

Yes Purple. I fully understand what they are. Woe betide you if my Nan catches you damaging her pride and joy! What I don''t understand is what they intend to be. We hear "New NCISA". Now are they independent group of supportive supporters who will apply pressure to the club when they are disenchanted. ie withdraw such things as The Canary Challenge or sponsorship in the event of relegation? Or are they a Supporters Club who will continue to lend a hand despite results of the football team?

I have absolutely no problem with either or the people who belong to them. In fact I have many good friends in NCISA as well as nCIsA. But before I join I want to be clear what they are.

PurpleCanary · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Yes Purple. I fully understand what they are. Woe betide you if my Nan catches you damaging her pride and joy! What I don''t understand is what they intend to be. We hear "New NCISA". Now are they independent group of supportive supporters who will apply pressure to the club when they are disenchanted. ie withdraw such things as The Canary Challenge or sponsorship in the event of relegation? Or are they a Supporters Club who will continue to lend a hand despite results of the football team?

I have absolutely no problem with either or the people who belong to them. In fact I have many good friends in NCISA as well as nCIsA. But before I join I want to be clear what they are.

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Nutty, that question is probably best answered by a NCISA member but they have said the organisation''s aim is to be generally supportive but also a pressure group when necessary. And you seem to be alone in the universe in thinking it can''t do both. I certainly see no contradiction there at all. Indeed the more generally supportive an organisation is, the stronger its voice will be when it feels the need to apply pressure.

Now I really do leave the field to you and your Nan''s weather house.

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]

And you seem to be alone in the universe in thinking it can''t do both. I certainly see no contradiction there at all.

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Well I will be alone holding back and their membership will rocket to thousands in no time. Because for VFM you can''t beat all that for a fiver.

Have you joined up Purple?

PurpleCanary · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]

And you seem to be alone in the universe in thinking it can''t do both. I certainly see no contradiction there at all.

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Well I will be alone holding back and their membership will rocket to thousands in no time. Because for VFM you can''t beat all that for a fiver.

Have you joined up Purple?

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No.

Beauseant · October 30, 2010

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Yes Purple. I fully understand what they are. Woe betide you if my Nan catches you damaging her pride and joy! What I don''t understand is what they intend to be. We hear "New NCISA". Now are they independent group of supportive supporters who will apply pressure to the club when they are disenchanted. ie withdraw such things as The Canary Challenge or sponsorship in the event of relegation? Or are they a Supporters Club who will continue to lend a hand despite results of the football team?

I have absolutely no problem with either or the people who belong to them. In fact I have many good friends in NCISA as well as nCIsA. But before I join I want to be clear what they are.

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Nutty, that question is probably best answered by a NCISA member but they have said the organisation''s aim is to be generally supportive but also a pressure group when necessary. And you seem to be alone in the universe in thinking it can''t do both. I certainly see no contradiction there at all. Indeed the more generally supportive an organisation is, the stronger its voice will be when it feels the need to apply pressure.

Now I really do leave the field to you and your Nan''s weather house.

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Ncisa is a democratic organisation of Norwich City supporters. Ultimately it''s actions are dictated by it''s members. Had there not been a clamour for them, neither St Andrews Hall meeting would have taken place. At the last one the votes of no confidence in the way the club was being run and the reappointment of Bryan Gunn were open votes ( I can''t comment on the Worthy meeting as I wasn''t there). A lot of people voted against the status quo at the time (ie an only technically quorate board and a manager who was seen as a failure) , although with 20/20 hindsight many would like to suggest otherwise and probably feel slightly embarrassed given the huge steps forward that have been taken since. Perhaps Nutty would confirm which way he voted as I don''t feel it would be right for me to do so for him?

As for the committee, we love Norwich City and want it to do well at all times. We don''t want to be protesting, because if we are, something bad will have happened that threatens the interests of a significant number of fans. Those who know me outside this madhouse know that I am hardly a revolutionary, and that''s true of all the committee. We would be happy to go forward as a social organisation offering good benefits to it''s membership while NCFC goes from strength to strength and all decisions are taken in the best interest of the fans, but therein lies the rub. The club is a business, and is now being run like one.Generally that''s good, but a strong supporters group provides a good balance in the event of the best interests of the club not conciding with the best interests of the fans, not to burn the place to the ground but simply to provide a voice to say "hang on a minute..." I really can''t see where the supposed paradox is there, unless one is naive enough to believe that the interests of both parties will always coincide absolutely.

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

"Perhaps Nutty would confirm which way he voted as I don''t feel it would be right for me to do so for him?"

Beaus - I''ll answer your question on here if you will answer my questions on here. But to be fair my views are pretty much well known on this board. Trouble is, when I giver them, many people just assume I''m joking and not serious.

I genuinely don''t agree with much about what you have posted about the role a pressure group could play. I will give you an instance : -

I don''t believe the club has got it wrong with their pricing of 16-21 tickets. They are proffessional people running their business to provide as much money as possible to the first team manager. Why would a bunch of well meaning amateurs know better than them? I don''t agree with the argument that they are repelling a future generation of fans. It''s my opinion that by the time someone is 16 they are already a fan. Where i do believe they may suffer in this regard is doing away with the family football nights at reserve team games. Those games were full of kids and where the future generations of fans come from. But then again, that''s only my opinion, so would I be right to try and force it on the club?

nutty nigel · October 30, 2010

Sorry Beaus.. the point I was making was that I can''t believe the majority of NISCA members agree with the stand on the 16-21 ticket issue.

Beauseant · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

"Perhaps Nutty would confirm which way he voted as I don''t feel it would be right for me to do so for him?"

Beaus - I''ll answer your question on here if you will answer my questions on here. But to be fair my views are pretty much well known on this board. Trouble is, when I giver them, many people just assume I''m joking and not serious.

I genuinely don''t agree with much about what you have posted about the role a pressure group could play. I will give you an instance : -

I don''t believe the club has got it wrong with their pricing of 16-21 tickets. They are proffessional people running their business to provide as much money as possible to the first team manager. Why would a bunch of well meaning amateurs know better than them? I don''t agree with the argument that they are repelling a future generation of fans. It''s my opinion that by the time someone is 16 they are already a fan. Where i do believe they may suffer in this regard is doing away with the family football nights at reserve team games. Those games were full of kids and where the future generations of fans come from. But then again, that''s only my opinion, so would I be right to try and force it on the club?

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Of course not, and they wouldn''t listen anyhow. If 1000 supporters complain then they might. The key point in my previous post is the word "democratic". If we all agreed all the time it would be a funny old world, but the whole point of a democratic group is that it supports the view of the majority, although within that majority there will be those who disagree. I''m sure that you are a member of groups and organisations where you disagree with things that happen and decisions that are taken, but still enjoy the overall experience (I know that I am). Generally speaking the best way to get an organisation to act in the way you want it to do is for you ( and lots of other like minded individuals) to join, because then it will reflect your own views. If you think that Ncisa has the wrong approach then come on board and change it from within. I think you might be pleasantly surprised, and if not, you can vote with your feet. Surely that''s fair?

TIL 1010 · October 30, 2010

Just to give you a fact Nutty(and that fact was provided by David McNally) your family night football was losing £2,000 per game as Stewards,Paramedics and electricity etc all costs money.

To stop those fixtures saved 20 grand a season.

The Butler · October 30, 2010

[quote user="TIL 1010"]

Just to give you a fact Nutty(and that fact was provided by David McNally) your family night football was losing £2,000 per game as Stewards,Paramedics and electricity etc all costs money.

To stop those fixtures saved 20 grand a season.

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Tilly if Nutty wants NCISA to pay for that you have just increased my target to 4000 members[:D]

Oh Nutty you still did not answer Beaus question.(but as I sat beside you I know the answer already)[;)]

ca · October 30, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

I don''t believe the club has got it wrong with their pricing of 16-21 tickets.

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I do, look at what we''re charging Burnley fans

Adults £28

over 60''s £23

Under 16 £20

Under 12 £13

So anyone kids ( 16,17,18 at school or college not earning any money are expected to pay £28 ??

Thats the same for our fans buying match tickets too !

Beauseant · October 31, 2010

Bump for an answer.

nutty nigel · October 31, 2010

[quote user="Beauseant"]Bump for an answer.[/quote]

Bloody ''ell Beaus give a guy a fair crack of the whip! Weekends are busy for me and I have enough to contend with this weekend with the witches and goolies and nCIsA and all the other scarey stuff..............

Here''s the answer to your question but I warn you.. some questions of my own will follow that both you and The Butler should have no difficulty answering (But don''t give me that old guff about the answers being solely down to democracy because that would then have to fit with the answer to my third question)

I voted no confidence in the board of directors in May 2009. I also said at the time and at various times since that this was not a vote of no confidence in the Smith & Jones as the clubs owners. I have had so many people say that as the board of directors and the owners comprised of the same people there was no difference. One of the most vociferous of those people was The Butler who argued the point with me for about 20 pages. I still see a difference between running the club and owning the club. I still don''t believe that vote of no confidence was anything to do with Smith & Jones as owners of our club. So question back to you guys at NCISA.....

Do you still maintain that vote was a vote of no confidence in Smith & Jones as club owners?

Another one from the time that went to a 20 pager was about the letter from Bowkett when criticising the executive management of the club. I maintained that he wasn''t criticising Smith & Jones as owners of the club. This was again laughed at by those who declare nutty to be mad as a hatter. So a question to you guys again.....

Do you maintain that the letter sent by the Associate Directors was a criticism of Smith & Jones?

Now I don''t want to spend any more time in the past but it was you guys who asked the question about my vote so it''s only fair you answer mine in return.

So moving to the present and this new democratic NCISA. I still find it hard to believe that the majority of your members disagree with the 16-21 ticket prices. I''ll tell you why. Many young people who fall in that age range have more disposable income to spend on themselves than a man in his 30''s with a young family. Those people should have to make choices just like the family man does. Of course many others can''t afford the tickets and so the prices are too high. The answer to this is not to subsidise tickets for 16-21 but to subsidise 16-18. Very few in this age group have much disposable income. Some 18-21 year olds will suffer, I realise that, but if the club is to support a competitive championship squad the line has to be drawn somewhere. After all I don''t see many other forms of entertainment offering a discount to 18-21 year olds.The 60-65 subsidy should go too!I believe NCISA''s point about losing the next generation of supporters is also wide of the mark. Because at 16 they are already a fan. Where I think the club are risking losing a generation of supporters is through abandoning the family football nights at reserve team games. Those games were full of kids and where I believe future generations of fans come from. I''ll put it in italics for the hard of reading Tilly old boy. Whether or not it''s losing £2,000 per game will not change my view that many youngsters who had become fans by the time they were 16 started off in those games and subsidising tickets for 16-21 won''t make a scrap of difference to youngsters starting on their journey as a City fan. So a final question to you guys.....

How big was the majority of NCISA members who wanted you to campaign to reduce ticket prices for 16-21?

PurpleCanary · October 31, 2010

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="Beauseant"]Bump for an answer.[/quote]

So moving to the present and this new democratic NCISA. I still find it hard to believe that the majority of your members disagree with the 16-21 ticket prices. I''ll tell you why. Many young people who fall in that age range have more disposable income to spend on themselves than a man in his 30''s with a young family. Those people should have to make choices just like the family man does. Of course many others can''t afford the tickets and so the prices are too high. The answer to this is not to subsidise tickets for 16-21 but to subsidise 16-18. Very few in this age group have much disposable income.

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Nutty, you have destroyed your own argument, You say you doubt most NCISA members disagree with the club''s policy on prices for 16-21s and then turn round and say YOU disagree with that policy!

You say there should be cheaper tickets for the 16-18s. OK, that is not exactly what NCISA was supposedly campaigning for but that''s the kind of difference that gets sorted out in negotiations. The basic point remains that you think the club has got its ticketing policy wrong and NCISA was trying to put pressure on the club over that issue.

So you don''t want NCISA to get involved to try to right something YOU say is a wrong because why exactly? I really am confused.

nutty nigel · October 31, 2010

16-18 is under half the 16-21 age group. 18 is an established marker for an adult. It''s not the same thing and well you know it. If NCISA wanted to campaign for cheaper tickets for under 18''s they would have said that. The letter on their website from one of their readers, that seems to have sparked the campaign quite clearly states under 21 discount. But I''m sure The Butler and Beaus will clear this up for us in their reply.

Mister Chops · October 31, 2010

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Just to give you a fact Nutty(and that fact was provided by David McNally) your family night football was losing £2,000 per game as Stewards,Paramedics and electricity etc all costs money.

To stop those fixtures saved 20 grand a season.

[/quote]Yes, and somebody would have modelled those costs against the future loss in revenue from holding those nights to allow the young supporters to come through and end up fully fledged (and full-price paying) ticket holders. I''m sure they made the same calculations when deciding the 16-21 ticket pricing.

Beauseant · October 31, 2010