Manager made mistakes yesterday IMO

[Hardhouse44 289]

Thought long and hard about posting this, and I wish to go on record that I am a very big fan of Lambert. However after long deliberation I can''t see why anybody is beyond criticism at any level if you believe mistakes we''re made and after all it is just my opinion of yesterday''s game only.We lacked work rate and desire from the off yesterday. Over confidence? maybe, who really knows. What was evident was the midfield was out muscled and over run from the off. Holt was unable to compete with Jaidi and both full backs were struggling especially Rose with his defensive roll and positioning. Whether you agree with all or some of that it''s my opinion of what I saw.A change of personnel and formation could and probably should have been made at half time. with to lose of Russell I think the manager really for me made mistakes with the substitutions. Three at the back has worked in the past but against a team with a little more quality than on previous occasions it was never going to work. Again in "my opinion" we had to remain tight sacrifice Lappin, who lets face wouldn''t have been missed and dropped Hoolahan back a bit to try and pull the string and maybe snatch a point.Fine bring on Mcnamee if you like but you would have then to take off either Martin or even Holt, neither of which looked like scoring but to expect one centre back and two already out of their depth fullbacks to keep out a team like Southampton was gung-ho even for the ambitious Lambert.There, my opinion of yesterdays game. I throughly expect the manager to have reflected on the game, the performance and his contribution and to act upon his conclusions.I expect a win Tuesday as I''m sure the manager does.OTBC

[Lineo 0]

Well, you can''t win every game and the best managers learn from their mistakes and improve upon them.Roll on tuesday night

[woody 0]

Someone told me that Lambert was about to make a double substitution when Russell got the red card - don''t know if anyone can corroborate that?

[paul moy 235]

I can''t criticise his tactics as I was hoping that he would go three at the back as soon as Russell was dismissed. The bottom line is that the Saints were better than us on the day. All will be rectified on Tuesday IMO. [<:o)]

[city4eva 242]

[quote user="woody"]Someone told me that Lambert was about to make a double substitution when Russell got the red card - don''t know if anyone can corroborate that?[/quote]

Not sue about a double sub but Mcneme was def ready to come on before the red card

[Howson is now! 0]

Southampton were the better team. Said before the game I thought they were the best team we''ve played this season and they showed it again.

Why do you feel going 4-3-2 and trying to "nick a point" is better than going 3-4-3 and going all out to try and get a point? You''re 1-0 down, you''re down to ten men, against a very very good side. Chances of getting anything out of it? Slim to none, so go for it as much as you can I say.

Nelson should be nowhere near the first team, I think Rose will get better, Smith cannot be expected to do and chase everything as an 18 year old in his first season, Hoolahan also did his best to try and win every single ball, but we just didn''t have it in us.

I would have been very very pleased with a point before the game and am not too heartbroken to have lost to a very good team.

[Smudger 0]

Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="Smudger"]Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.[/quote]Maybe they just cant afford it? Bring in McNamee for Lappin and I''ll be happy

[Sideshow Tim 110]

FFS. Is this for real?

We all worship the ground that this man walks on, however when he ''makes mistakes'' we feel the need vent our displeasure about it.

Last week it he could do no wrong following his substitutions against Brighton.

This man is only human. I think you''ll find that he was about to stick 5 front players up front again just before Darrel Russell got sent off. How do you have a plan B in place for such eventualities?

[birchfest 401]

[quote user="Smudger"]Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.[/quote]I agree with all except that bit.... Smudger, you just cant let it go![:P] Honsetly I think that Whitbread and McNamee are both very good signings and both have not really had a proper chance to impress (by being given a start). Remember this is the same board that didnt flog Hoolahan or Rusty...

[Yellowfuture 71]

[quote user="Smudger"]Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!

The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.

I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.

To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.

If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.
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Have to agree with this, a relatively small investment could have made a big difference to the squad and Lamberts options, increasing our promotion chances. Why wouldnt we want to do this, we will have to buy players in the summer if we  are serious about Championship football,  I think most would now agree that our current squad is often flattered by the oppositiion, we should have started to improve the squad in January.

[hurricane 0]

Every manager makes mistakes and hopefully learns from them. It is fantastic we are in the position were and a credit to the management for that considering last season and the start of this season.

I am however concerned that when we come up against teams who are on a par or better teams in the division we do seem to struggle sometimes. These are the sorts of team we will play week in week out next season should we get promoted, so i look at these fixtures in terms of how we may fare in the championship next season.

[Brendo 0]

[quote user="woody"]Someone told me that Lambert was about to make a double substitution when Russell got the red card - don''t know if anyone can corroborate that?[/quote]Well Macnamee was definately about to be brought on, not sure about the other as no one seemed to be.

[Yellowfuture 71]

[quote user="Brendo "][quote user="woody"]Someone told me that Lambert was about to make a double substitution when Russell got the red card - don''t know if anyone can corroborate that?[/quote]

Well Macnamee was definately about to be brought on, not sure about the other as no one seemed to be.
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I was looking down the line to see who was strippin off and I could only see Macnamee at that time, who knows what  he was planning though, whatever it was we will never find out.  

[Brendo 0]

[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]

[quote user="Brendo "][quote user="woody"]Someone told me that Lambert was about to make a double substitution when Russell got the red card - don''t know if anyone can corroborate that?[/quote]Well Macnamee was definately about to be brought on, not sure about the other as no one seemed to be. [/quote]

 

I was looking down the line to see who was strippin off and I could only see Macnamee at that time, who knows what  he was planning though, whatever it was we will never find out.  

[/quote]Indeed. Anyway we lost, let''s put it behind us and make sure we get 6 points out of what would seem two not too challenging games.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]

[quote user="Smudger"]Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!

The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.

I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.

To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.

If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.
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Have to agree with this, a relatively small investment could have made a big difference to the squad and Lamberts options, increasing our promotion chances. Why wouldnt we want to do this, we will have to buy players in the summer if we  are serious about Championship football,  I think most would now agree that our current squad is often flattered by the oppositiion, we should have started to improve the squad in January.

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I don''t think that 500K would have covered the costs of recruiting Barnard. When you take into account agents fees, signing on fee, salary and NI etc over two/three years, the financial commitment for the club is far higher. We really should be more grateful that we managed to hold onto our current key players IMO.

[Yellowfuture 71]

They  signed Puncheon for undisclosed fee thought to  be  around £250k

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]They  signed Puncheon for undisclosed fee thought to  be  around £250k[/quote]

... but that''s only the fee, and then you have all of the other costs I mentioned previously. The club obviously has to consider ongoing costs, otherwise they would end up in deep financial doodoo.

 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]

[quote user="Smudger"]Lambert has been making errors for weeks Hardhouse.  Although of course we must not criticise... that would make us unsupportive or even a binner!The only reason that we have only been found out at both Millwall and yesterday against Southampton is because these teams are slightly better quality than some of the others who should be getting brushed aside.I first started to get frustrated with this stick with a winning side mentality, even though it was apparent that the team could be improved by players Lambert had either signed or failed to sign at the Exeter game - when Seaborne and a 3 man defence, plus the rest of a very average (at best) Exeter team had our diamond formation in their pockets for most of the match.To be fair to the manager (and I am sure that he would not comment on this)... I do not feel that he was fully backed by the board in January when you take in to account what he had done since his arrival.  I think we got more of the same old prudence with ambition and that is the REAL REASON that we were not in there for players of Puncheon and Barnard''s ilk.If we had of given Lambert say an additional £500k to spend then we would all feel that promotion was signed sealed and delivered and that we also had the basis of a really strong squad to build on for life in the Championship next season.  Instead Norwich City decide to be prudent and take their chance of scrapping it out in what could turn in to a 5 way scrap for a place in the top two.[/quote]

 

Have to agree with this, a relatively small investment could have made a big difference to the squad and Lamberts options, increasing our promotion chances. Why wouldnt we want to do this, we will have to buy players in the summer if we  are serious about Championship football,  I think most would now agree that our current squad is often flattered by the oppositiion, we should have started to improve the squad in January.

[/quote]I am glad that somebody can see where I am coming from TFIY... [;)]Yes we kept Russell and Hoolahan but did we really have much of a choice to do anything other than that?  We need to be promoted this year otherwise it''s administration... McNally as almost as good as admitted this earlier in the season.As you say, we will have to spend if we win promotion, so why not simply spend some of that money in January?  Especially when there were absolute bargains like Puncheon, Barnard and Seaborne to be had?The difference between spending an additional £500k in January and spending it in the summer could well mean that we are run very close by clubs circling for a slip up from the top two.We may be skint, but if we are serious about going up and staying up then this kind of money at least will need to be spent!

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]They  signed Puncheon for undisclosed fee thought to  be  around £250k[/quote]

... but that''s only the fee, and then you have all of the other costs I mentioned previously. The club obviously has to consider ongoing costs, otherwise they would end up in deep financial doodoo.

 

[/quote]Did McNally not say recently that Lambert getting the likes of Cureton & Co off the books prior to signing any more players was not a factor???