A Small Example Of Where Your Money Goes

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

Let me add some recent comparative data to the debate. No special discounts involved.

On our latest visit to the UK during May this year, Mrs Bly and I stayed at

Cardiff 4* for 110 daily room rate including all taxes annd  full breakfast

London 4* (attached by walkway to Gatwick North Terminal) for 104 daily inc. taxes exc. breakfast 

Norfolk 3* for 56.90 daily room rate including all taxes and full breakfast

............................

Last time I remember staying in a Glasgow 4* for 86 daily room rate including all taxes and full breakfast.

..........................

So you can put those figures in the pot and stir it

But a party of 48? Nobody has taken on that and broken it down yet!!

OTBC

 

 

 

[CANARY CHARGE 0]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

Let me add some recent comparative data to the debate. No special discounts involved.

On our latest visit to the UK during May this year, Mrs Bly and I stayed at

Cardiff 4* for 110 daily room rate including all taxes annd  full breakfast

London 4* (attached by walkway to Gatwick North Terminal) for 104 daily inc. taxes exc. breakfast 

Norfolk 3* for 56.90 daily room rate including all taxes and full breakfast

............................

Last time I remember staying in a Glasgow 4* for 86 daily room rate including all taxes and full breakfast.

..........................

So you can put those figures in the pot and stir it

But a party of 48? Nobody has taken on that and broken it down yet!!

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Its a fair point, but you would have thought they would have got some sort of discount!!!

[Herman 9,780]

[quote user="Yelverton Yella"]I am sure there are many examples of waste hidden deep in the ledgers of the club but, personally, I don''t think this is one of them.

If you are correctthat the budget for travel, accommodation and medical expenses was £800k it does sound quite high but, when you consider the cost of scans, specialist investigations etc., I would imagine that the ''medical'' element must have been a fair chunk of that; frankly, it seems a bit bizarre to lump medical expenses along with travel and accommodation.

To return to the tour, the idea of taking the (vastly changed) squad away together to gel, get to know each other and work on some fitness and tactics for the new season seems eminently sensible- apart from the benefit of assessing the triallists and seeing how they fit in with the established players. As far as the reported costs are concerned, they actually sound pretty reasonable.

It really does seem that some people will attack anything and everything, however irrational. I imagine that, if there had been no pre season tour, there would have been complaints about the lack of preparation and how Gunn does not understand the need to build a team spirit...

For Heaven''s sake, there are enough easy targets to attack with the way this club has been run without resorting to mindless carping.


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[Y] Post of the day.Well said Yelverton!!!

[dhickl 0]

To give you an example of what people are saying.  Last week I was staying in a hotel for work.  The published rate was US$275.  We contacted them and told them that we (6 people) would like to stay there, but they need to reduce the rate.  We actually paid $150.  If with 6 people we can knock off nearly 50%, I''m sure they will have negotiated a decent rate for 48.  That is assuming that the local club doesn''t already have a good rate.  Do you really think that Wigan will pay the full rate at Dunston hall when they come down for the friendly?

Also something that hasn''t been mentioned, that the gate receipts are often used to pay the expenses and a fee to the visiting team.  So actually, it is unlikely to be coming out of our budget!

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="dhickl"]

To give you an example of what people are saying.  Last week I was staying in a hotel for work.  The published rate was US$275.  We contacted them and told them that we (6 people) would like to stay there, but they need to reduce the rate.  We actually paid $150.  If with 6 people we can knock off nearly 50%, I''m sure they will have negotiated a decent rate for 48.  That is assuming that the local club doesn''t already have a good rate.  Do you really think that Wigan will pay the full rate at Dunston hall when they come down for the friendly?

Also something that hasn''t been mentioned, that the gate receipts are often used to pay the expenses and a fee to the visiting team.  So actually, it is unlikely to be coming out of our budget!

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Depends entirely on what the bookings look like which of course mirror the seasons - and the economy. The kaleidoscope of rates offered by Travelodge is an excellent example.

Apparently occupancy levels for UK hotels are pretty down this year, so the chances of  significant discounts are fairly good - although not guaranteed by any means.

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[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]Thats right Lappinitup, lets spend the resources on overheads and less on the player budget. We go to Carrow Rd to watch the football but of course you didn''t have a season ticket last season so it doesn''t matter to you does it? 

Lets forget the fact that we are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club and should manage our resources accordingly.[/quote]I''m amazed you haven''t phoned the hotel yet to ascertain the exact cost and the size of the party as you did with companies house and form 288b. Surely you can''t report your latest findings to the NCISA comittee with figures taken from a Pink-Un poster! Whatever next?

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]Thats right Lappinitup, lets spend the resources on overheads and less on the player budget. We go to Carrow Rd to watch the football but of course you didn''t have a season ticket last season so it doesn''t matter to you does it? 

Lets forget the fact that we are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club and should manage our resources accordingly.[/quote]I''m amazed you haven''t phoned the hotel yet to ascertain the exact cost and the size of the party as you did with companies house and form 288b. Surely you can''t report your latest findings to the NCISA comittee with figures taken from a Pink-Un poster! Whatever next?

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All things come to those who wait, Lappy. Even Form 288b.

Be patient, there''s a good chappie.[:)]

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[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

[Camuldonum 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

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Sort of okay for a first attempt but you might have asked where Chris Goreham is staying (and, after all, you are helping to pay for both City and the BBC).  My guess is that it won''t be with Mr and Mrs McTavish at the Bideaweewhile Temperance Hotel (be back before ten, mind).[:P]

[Thecanaryfan 0]

When was the last time you stayed at a hotel? They arent cheap and these hotels seem entirely average to me. Where do you want them to stay? Travel Lodge?

 

[Thecanaryfan 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

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What the bloody hell was that all about?!!

[Barclay hero 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]Well done Common Sense.

Going back to Doncaster''s analysis in the paper a few months back, £805k was listed as being spent on accommodation, travel, medical etc.

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.[/quote]Too right Tangy, must be a Butlins nearby. If not the YHA is only £9 a night. Let''s get real, fed up with being a laughing stock!

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YHA or Butlins?  That really would make us a laughing stock!  Welcome to FC Hoseasons

[Barclay hero 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

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Absolutely - I think they should have made the players sleep under sheets of newspaper on park benches, before foraging in bins for food - with a celebrity chef on the board Im sure she could rustle up a good meal out of discarded half eaten pizzas and an old burger bun

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="LEGION"]

When was the last time you stayed at a hotel? They arent cheap and these hotels seem entirely average to me. Where do you want them to stay? Travel Lodge?

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Well, Travelodge would probably be cleaner than 90% of the hotels in St Andrews.

I mean we don''t want the lads coming down with swine flu or colneybarbequetummy do we.

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[Rethinking the future 0]

[quote user="Common Sense"]

The figures are from paperwork seen at the club so they are 100% correct including the 48 in the touring party.

I assume a discount was already taken into account as even this can''t be that stupid.

[/quote]Was this a quote you saw?  Can''t be an invoice as they are still there and wouldnt have been generated yet so you dont actually know the costs.  How many are staying at each hotel as you said there are three different places they are staying?This is just another thread to moan.  Perhaps the club should hitchhike on their 23 away matches this season or go on the supporters coach.

[ur just a man in a jacket 0]

just think how much malaysia cost then a few years ago!!

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="LEGION"][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

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What the bloody hell was that all about?!!

[/quote]It was an attempted parody of the type of posters who complain when they find out that we have Chocolate Hob-Nobs in the boardroom rather than the standard ones. Terribly sorry sir [:$]

[Camuldonum 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="LEGION"][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

[/quote]

What the bloody hell was that all about?!!

[/quote]

It was an attempted parody of the type of posters who complain when they find out that we have Chocolate Hob-Nobs in the boardroom rather than the standard ones. Terribly sorry sir [:$]
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It was not an attempted parody.  It was a parody but some of the target audience might have missed it for reasons I can only guess it.

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[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Common Sense"]

I know this sort of subject is of little interest to some of you (if so don''t bother to respond)

[/quote]

Then why bother to post this drivel in the first place? It seems to be a bunch of lies that you made up anyway.

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="glove1"]just think how much malaysia cost then a few years ago!![/quote]

Remind me who our sponsors were at that time?

[Branston Pickle 3,661]

Quite, Mustachio - and also, remember what division we were in (just promoted to the Prem!).

IMO this whole thing is rather a red herring: I guess you could question whether we should go on tour at all (I am undecided) but so many sides do and surely wouldn''t if they didn''t think it was worthwhile. Such trips are usually quite heavily sponsored, but even if they aren''t, I doubt the cost is anything like the opening thread is trying to imply.

[Yelverton Yella 0]

OK, who has been reading this thread and ordering Chris Lakey to defend the concept of a pre season tour? [;)]   http://www.pinkun.com/content/ncfc/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PinkUnOnline&tCategory=Norwich&itemid=NOED15%20Jul%202009%2017%3A22%3A42%3A407

[First Jedi 0]

haha!

This thread is pathetic!

[......and Smith must score. 1,346]

[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="LEGION"][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

We are a Division 3 (old money) club, not a Premiership club.

 [/quote]

It''s either ''We''re a Division Three club not a Division One club'' or ''We''re a League One club not a Premiership club''. To mix the two eras by using the most glamourous term for the top division and the bog standard one for Div Three might be construed by some as spin. And we all know that that''s something that only the board indulge in.

Anyway back to this accommodation business. Why weren''t the players forced to hitchhike to Scotland with no money and forced to turn to canabalism when Matty Patty died suddenly just south of Newcastle and became too heavy to carry the rest of the way. It''s namby pamby antics such as this that make us a laughing stock with all other football fans. And whose fault is that.......Delia Smith methinks FACT!!11!!!1!!!onethousandonehundredandeleven!!1!1 [:@][:@][8o|][8o|]

How was that [:^)]

[/quote]

What the bloody hell was that all about?!!

[/quote]

It was an attempted parody of the type of posters who complain when they find out that we have Chocolate Hob-Nobs in the boardroom rather than the standard ones. Terribly sorry sir [:$]
[/quote]

 

It was not an attempted parody.  It was a parody but some of the target audience might have missed it for reasons I can only guess it.

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There are many other advanced courses available such as: "Who will use gipsy stories and who won''t" and "Getting to know national Editors: what they like and what they don''t like."

 

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Hi Camuldonum.......What the b*oody hell was that all about ? - Part 2

PS....Your month facing the wall in the naughty boy''s corner wasn''t too unbearable I Trust ?

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Yelverton Yella"]I am sure there are many examples of waste hidden deep in the ledgers of the club but, personally, I don''t think this is one of them.

If you are correct that the budget for travel, accommodation and medical expenses was £800k it does sound quite high but, when you consider the cost of scans, specialist investigations etc., I would imagine that the ''medical'' element must have been a fair chunk of that; frankly, it seems a bit bizarre to lump medical expenses along with travel and accommodation.

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Its fact! It was Doncaster''s analysis and was published in the local newspapers a few months ago. BTW it was actual spend and not a budget.

As for the spend re the Scotland trip, if we had Premiership or Championship sized budgets then it wouldn''t be an issue. May I suggest that people remember we are now a Division 3 (old money) club with a much smaller resource base.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

Hey Lappinitup,

Have you bought your season ticket for Division 3 (old money) football yet?

 

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="LEGION"]

When was the last time you stayed at a hotel? They arent cheap and these hotels seem entirely average to me. Where do you want them to stay? Travel Lodge?

[/quote]

Perfom pre season training at Colney / UEA. like they use to.

[Yelverton Yella 0]

Its fact! It was Doncaster''s analysis and was published in the local newspapers a few months ago. BTW it was actual spend and not a budget.

As for the spend re the Scotland trip, if we had Premiership or Championship sized budgets then it wouldn''t be an issue. May I suggest that people remember we are now a Division 3 (old money) club with a much smaller resource base.

TFAI was not suggesting that your figure was not correct, merely that, in

the absence of a quoted source, I was accepting it at face value.I

am glad to hear the figure was an ''actual spend'' and thus related to

our historic expenditure as a Championship club. I would assume that

the new budget figure will be carefully scrutinised to ensure it

reflects our straitened circumstances.I would still be

interested to know how much of the £800k related to (one presumes,

essential) medical expenses as opposed to travel and accommodation

since there is the risk of creating mountains out of molehills if, say

£700k was spent on keeping players fit and on the field (i.e. football

related on-field expenditure) rather than putting them up in luxury in a shared room at

a Travellodge for an away game.Oh and, by the way, I am still a

great supporter of the Scottish tour for all the reasons previously

outlined and consider the money well spent.Apart from anything else, I am not quite sure that bringing

triallists to Pontins for a kickabout on the beach would help them make

up their minds that we are a serious club for whom they might like to

play.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

Hey Lappinitup,

Have you bought your season ticket for Division 3 (old money) football yet?[/quote]Changed my mind Tangy........If football makes me as miserable as it does you then there''s no point.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Yelverton Yella"]

Apart from anything else, I am not quite sure that bringing triallists to Pontins for a kickabout on the beach would help them make up their minds that we are a serious club for whom they might like to play.
[/quote]

Where have I suggested Pontins?

Colney training ground might impress them.