Give me one reason why.......

[WalthamCanary 0]

.......you want Glenn Roeder out. (and please don''t mention Huckerby)I just can''t work out the Roeder bashing, I must be missing something. I think the guy has done well since coming here. Lets face it, he has had sweet f.a cash to spend and so has brought in good loan players (Ched Evans - remember him!), he''s bought in decent coaching staff, has helped us play good football, saved us from relegation (or had you all forgotten that!), and beaten the league leaders. We''re not in any major trouble like we were last season, we''re only a third into this campaign and this team made up of sooo many new faces needs time - did you really expect promotion this season! Be realistic people, and if you want to scream and shout then do so on match days in support of the players on the pitch - Carrow Rd is the only full ground in the Championship, we should be deafening the opposition to death!If what I''m saying doesn''t make any sense then please go ahead and tell me the reason (the main reason) why Glenn Roeder should leave us.

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="WalthamCanary"].......you want Glenn Roeder out. (and please don''t mention Huckerby)I just can''t work out the Roeder bashing, I must be missing something. I think the guy has done well since coming here. Lets face it, he has had sweet f.a cash to spend and so has brought in good loan players (Ched Evans - remember him!), he''s bought in decent coaching staff, has helped us play good football, saved us from relegation (or had you all forgotten that!), and beaten the league leaders. We''re not in any major trouble like we were last season, we''re only a third into this campaign and this team made up of sooo many new faces needs time - did you really expect promotion this season! Be realistic people, and if you want to scream and shout then do so on match days in support of the players on the pitch - Carrow Rd is the only full ground in the Championship, we should be deafening the opposition to death!If what I''m saying doesn''t make any sense then please go ahead and tell me the reason (the main reason) why Glenn Roeder should leave us. [/quote]I dont want Glenn Roeder out, I want the pathetic board out. G.R has done v. well with little/no fundshe did make a mistake with Hucks and I cant forgive him for that- Roeder IN for me IMO

[alex_ncfc 686]

Am I the only one who''s more than a bit lost as to why I keep reading how "well" Roeder has done here?

We spent all of last season in the bottom half, most of it in the bottom 3 or thereabouts.

Then this season we have been again hovering around the bottom 3, too close for comfort and we are being left behind as the table begins to take shape.

Can someone tell me how all of that adds upto a manager doing well? Have our expectations really dropped this far?

[NCFC_Shaun 0]

So your not alex, believe me ...

 

I could give a lot of reasons. One, for example, being he is more interested in player relationships than club relationships. He couldn''t give a damn about helping our club, but he is alot more interested in helping players careers. Hence why he has brought in a load of premiership youngsters to help with their careers, but will not help us as a club in the long run.

Want proof? Name me one previous club of Roeders that can honestly say Roeder did a lot for their club (as manager). I very much doubt you can, but I can name players that will say Roeder has helped their career.

[NCFC_Shaun 0]

No your not* sorry ...

[Green and Yellow 0]

[quote user="WalthamCanary"].......you want Glenn Roeder out. (and please don''t mention Huckerby)

I just can''t work out the Roeder bashing, I must be missing something. I think the guy has done well since coming here. Lets face it, he has had sweet f.a cash to spend and so has brought in good loan players (Ched Evans - remember him!), he''s bought in decent coaching staff, has helped us play good football, saved us from relegation (or had you all forgotten that!), and beaten the league leaders. We''re not in any major trouble like we were last season, we''re only a third into this campaign and this team made up of sooo many new faces needs time - did you really expect promotion this season! Be realistic people, and if you want to scream and shout then do so on match days in support of the players on the pitch - Carrow Rd is the only full ground in the Championship, we should be deafening the opposition to death!

If what I''m saying doesn''t make any sense then please go ahead and tell me the reason (the main reason) why Glenn Roeder should leave us.
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Because he is a twa*.

[missing in action? 0]

he has a very niggly precision prozone based style, relying on predictablility, and you cant have that.i think its why he dumped hucks, because he wasnt predictable. i dont know, but i dont appreciate his arrogance and tactics.

[Empty Mirror 0]

What worries me about Roeder is that there is little evidence of trying to build a team for the future.  He inherited a shambles, and no one expected him to turn it round in one season.   But having got us to safety last year one would hope to see signs that a team is being built: e.g.,

-   playing our own players who will be the club''s future, augmented by maybe one or two senior loan players from whom our own can learn

-   development of the younger players

-   a clear vision as to how we play and what kind of balance the side needs to have

-   man management to build morale, a team ethic, and a sense of unity as displayed by (almost) all successful teams.

Instead we seem to get shortermism i.e.,

-   relying on loan players who are here today but will be gone tomorrow (and who cost us a lot, presumably)

-   neglecting our own young players, in favour of loans of other people''s untried young players or loanees who keep our own players out of the team (e.g, Otsemebor) whilst adding not a lot

-   chopping and changing as to what the vision for the team is: one moment Hoolihan is to be the next great thing, next he can''t even make the bench, then he''s back in the team because he worked so hard in training then, oh look, he''s out again; one moment we only play with one winger because two leave us too exposed then, oh look, we are starting with two wingers, one moment Fozzy is the captain, next he''s not even in the team, one moment Declan Rudd is so good that we''ll soon underestand why Joe Lewis was sold, the next he''s plainly not good enough to sit on the bench etc etc.

-   public slanging off of players, disrespect to club stalwarts (Hucks) and (by all accounts) falling morale in the dressing room.

If we were building for the future with evidence of a coherent plan and playing our own players, focussing on bringing younger ones through (with mabe a couple of experienced loan players to help them along for now, e.g., maybe Kennedy - though I don''t see he''s better than Doc and Dejan - and Lita) and the team was starting to develop a pattern and some cohesion, I wouldn''t be fretting at all if we finished in the lower half (preferably safe from relegation a couple of games before the end of the season!) since there''d be grounds for hoping that a team was being built and things would get better.   Since however all we''re seeing is short termism, and long term strategy seems to have been replaced by spending the budget on a team of mercenaries whom we can''t afford to make our own in the hope that they manage to get us into the premiership and we''ll then have the money, it''s not unfair to judge Roeder on the short term results.    And, plainly, those aren''t good enough.  

[First Wizard 0]

Err? look and study the league table.........then ask again.

[Jim Smith 2,610]

[quote user="WalthamCanary"].......you want Glenn Roeder out. (and please don''t mention Huckerby)

I just can''t work out the Roeder bashing, I must be missing something. I think the guy has done well since coming here. Lets face it, he has had sweet f.a cash to spend and so has brought in good loan players (Ched Evans - remember him!), he''s bought in decent coaching staff, has helped us play good football, saved us from relegation (or had you all forgotten that!), and beaten the league leaders. We''re not in any major trouble like we were last season, we''re only a third into this campaign and this team made up of sooo many new faces needs time - did you really expect promotion this season! Be realistic people, and if you want to scream and shout then do so on match days in support of the players on the pitch - Carrow Rd is the only full ground in the Championship, we should be deafening the opposition to death!

If what I''m saying doesn''t make any sense then please go ahead and tell me the reason (the main reason) why Glenn Roeder should leave us.
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The reason for the Roeder bashing is because he appears to be a rather unpleasant man with several large chips on his shoulder whose man management skills appear to be somewhat lacking. For what its worth tactically i think he is decent and he sees the problems on the pitch and rectifies them much quicker than either Worthy or Grant did. I also think he has been hamstrung in the transfer market by a lack of funds.

Unfortunately though he used up all his goodwill with the fans through his disgusting handling of the Hucks situation and his manner makes him easy to dislike. That for me is why the fans have/will turn on him more readily than other managers. I think that (rightly or wrongly) there is also the nagging doubt about his second season record at other clubs.

[Gentleman Jim 0]

[quote user="WalthamCanary"].......you want Glenn Roeder out. (and please don''t mention Huckerby)

I just can''t work out the Roeder bashing, I must be missing something.
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I think what you have missed Waltham is quite a big portion of the posts on this subject in the last six months or so.

 

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"]

Am I the only one who''s more than a bit lost as to why I keep reading how "well" Roeder has done here?

We spent all of last season in the bottom half, most of it in the bottom 3 or thereabouts.

Then this season we have been again hovering around the bottom 3, too close for comfort and we are being left behind as the table begins to take shape.

Can someone tell me how all of that adds upto a manager doing well? Have our expectations really dropped this far?

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No you aren''t alone, I am running out of support for him.

Tactically naive is one reason, slating players in press thats the 2nd, and 3rd he looks to me as though he''s lost the dressing room.  We have some ok players, but why can''t they play well under him?

[Budapest Canary 154]

[quote user="Empty Mirror"]

What worries me about Roeder is that there is little evidence of trying to build a team for the future.  He inherited a shambles, and no one expected him to turn it round in one season.   But having got us to safety last year one would hope to see signs that a team is being built: e.g.,

-   playing our own players who will be the club''s future, augmented by maybe one or two senior loan players from whom our own can learn

 

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Just a thought: remember what happened in previous seasons, when we''ve had more self-owned players. The ones that looked better than the average (Earnshaw, Etuhu) left for other clubs and we were left with the mediocre rest. It will take probably longer than one season to rebuild the team, and buying stars with no solid squad behind them will bring the same result. Sadly, what Roeder is doing, makes sense to me.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"]

Am I the only one who''s more than a bit lost as to why I keep reading how "well" Roeder has done here?

We spent all of last season in the bottom half, most of it in the bottom 3 or thereabouts.

Then this season we have been again hovering around the bottom 3, too close for comfort and we are being left behind as the table begins to take shape.

Can someone tell me how all of that adds upto a manager doing well? Have our expectations really dropped this far?

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You mean it''s a bit like Ramos at Spurs? People were hailing some kind of brilliant turn around (mainly because they lifted the league cup) even though their league form under him was pretty dire.

Maybe Roeder keeping us up last year is our version of winning the league cup.

Having said that I do prefer him as a manager to Grant and I do think we''ve got a better squad but his decision to release Hucks, fail to sign any strikers in the summer and inability to pick a regular starting 11 has cost us so far this season.

Better than Grant but at the moment nowhere near as good as Worthy.