Englan only one above Scotland in latest FIFA rankings.

[The Fish Seller 0]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana

(Editing by John O''Brien)This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

[SuperWesIrishWizard 0]

[quote user="Worst Wizard"]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien)

This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

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Quite right too, if we were any higher than 15th then it would make a laughing stock of the system. Considering that we didnt get into a 16 team tournament in Europe, and there are six other continents, you could argue that neither scotland or england deserve to be 15th or 16th. 

[Show Me What You Gooot! 0]

I would say I hope this makes our useless bunch work harder but it won''t.

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="ryank"]Quite right too, if we were any higher than 15th then it would make a laughing stock of the system. Considering that we didnt get into a 16 team tournament in Europe, and there are six other continents, you could argue that neither scotland or england deserve to be 15th or 16th.  [/quote]I actually believe Scotland are there on merit, don''t forget they beat World Cup finalists France not once but both times they played them in the Euro qualifiers. and gave Italy a run for their money too.They were about 70th just a couple of years agoEngland on the other hand have been playing some pretty poor teams like T&T, some crap  friendlies and then falling flat every time they''ve met somebody decent in a tournament for quite a while now. Who was the last big team England beat in the finals of any tournament?

[Cobain18 0]

[quote user="Worst Wizard"]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien)

This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

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We should be below them really! I''m sure on recent form, they''ll feel a bit aggrieved at these rankings

[Paul Spector 0]

Makes quite shocking reading really. Sad state of affairs.

[McCanary 0]

[quote user="Cobain18"][quote user="Worst Wizard"]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien)

This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

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We should be below them really! I''m sure on recent form, they''ll feel a bit aggrieved at these rankings

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Having seen the boys perform out of their skins in the qualifiers , I totally agree with you!!

So much for "....useless sweaty socks..." as quoted numerous times whenever we are linked with Scots players.

We should be above your bunch of prima donnas. Until you can find someone who can make them perform as a TEAM then the decline will continue.

Playing as a non seeded country will determine just how good (!) the English team is>

[Iwan is God 0]

[quote user="Worst Wizard"][quote user="ryank"]
Quite right too, if we were any higher than 15th then it would make a laughing stock of the system. Considering that we didnt get into a 16 team tournament in Europe, and there are six other continents, you could argue that neither scotland or england deserve to be 15th or 16th.  [/quote]

I actually believe Scotland are there on merit, don''t forget they beat World Cup finalists France not once but both times they played them in the Euro qualifiers. and gave Italy a run for their money too.They were about 70th just a couple of years ago
England on the other hand have been playing some pretty poor teams like T&T, some crap  friendlies and then falling flat every time they''ve met somebody decent in a tournament for quite a while now. Who was the last big team England beat in the finals of any tournament?
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WTF???? Scotland are there on merit, but we are not? Absolute crap! When was the last time they qualified for anything? 1996, that''s when!

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Iwan is God"]

[quote user="Worst Wizard"][quote user="ryank"]Quite right too, if we were any higher than 15th then it would make a laughing stock of the system. Considering that we didnt get into a 16 team tournament in Europe, and there are six other continents, you could argue that neither scotland or england deserve to be 15th or 16th.  [/quote]I actually believe Scotland are there on merit, don''t forget they beat World Cup finalists France not once but both times they played them in the Euro qualifiers. and gave Italy a run for their money too.They were about 70th just a couple of years agoEngland on the other hand have been playing some pretty poor teams like T&T, some crap  friendlies and then falling flat every time they''ve met somebody decent in a tournament for quite a while now. Who was the last big team England beat in the finals of any tournament?[/quote]

WTF???? Scotland are there on merit, but we are not? Absolute crap! When was the last time they qualified for anything? 1996, that''s when!

[/quote]Qualifying groups normally consist of two good teams (seeded), 1 crap team, two really crap teams.The advantage of a seeding is that you are extremely likely to qualify.Unfair as it seems this is to stop a scenario like  Group A being Italy, Spain,Holland,France, Germany and Group B being Faroes, Luxumbourg, Belarus, Iceland, San Marino with top two from each group qualifying. Makes for better TV in the finals I guess.England were classed as a good team so got crap teams to play to qualify for years.Scotland were a crap team so got good teams to play to qualify for years.England failed to beat the crap teams.Scotland are beating the good teams.It is tantamount to a bye in qualifying to get a seeding, something Scotland were never given even though unlike England they qualified for 5 consecutive World Cups.England qualified for Euro 96 as hosts and their performance there gave them enough points to squeeze a eeded place for many years.Check your facts, Englands record of qualifying for tournaments when not seeded isn''t as good as you might think, probably worse than Scotlands.

[Tetteys Jig 853]

The FA should organise 50 friendlys against the Turks and Caicos Islands! then we could win most (not confident enough to say all) of them, and boost our rankings

[we8wba 0]

[quote user="Worst Wizard"]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien)

This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

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1. why argies and brazil so low? they should be 1 & 2 in realstic terms

2. how spain finish ranked 1, i know they won the euro''s but they struggled to qualify and theyre last semi final before this tourney was about 30 years ago

3. how are scotland and bulgaria realistically in top 17teams? scotland last tourney was 1998 and bulgarias im guessing was 2002?

 

i would mark it up as

1. brazil

2. argies

3. spain

4. italy

5. germany

6. portgual

7. france

8. croatia

9. czechs

10 england

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[quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

1. why argies and brazil so low? they should be 1 & 2 in realstic terms

[/quote]Something to do with recent results in their World Cup qualifiers I should think. Why do you think they should be ranked 1 and 2?[quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

2. how spain finish ranked 1, i know they won the euro''s but they struggled to qualify and theyre last semi final before this tourney was about 30 years ago

[/quote]I guess their performances in the tournament itself are deemed to be more important than how they qualified? Spain look a team on the up to me, you''ve got the Czech Republic ahead of Russia for fudge sake!!!!!!!!!

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

Scotland do lose against crap teams, you see it all the time.

They''ll beat Spain for example and draw with Holland and all they have to do to get to the next round is beat Faroe Islands for e.g. and they end up losing 2-1 or something.

[we8wba 0]

czechs are good side missed rosicky greatly

and if you check czech tourney history they deserve to be in their ahead of russia who scrapped through qualifing depending on us losing and then had one good tournement in how long

i always thought it was based on past 4 years or something?

does this mean greece was number 1 because they won euros? no

all the teams in their had one good tournement thats it. so england qualified we be about 6th now by least getting 1/4s

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[quote user="super mick mccarthy "][quote user="Worst Wizard"]

FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets):

1. (4) Spain

2. (3) Italy

3. (5) Germany

4. (2) Brazil

5. (10) Netherlands

6. (1) Argentina

7. (15) Croatia

8. (6) Czech Republic

9. (11) Portugal

10. (7) France

11. (24) Russia

12. (12) Romania

13. (13) Cameroon

14. (20) Turkey

15. (9) England

16. (17) Scotland

17. (18) Bulgaria

18. (8) Greece

19. (14) Mexico

20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien)

This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now.

[/quote]

1. why argies and brazil so low? they should be 1 & 2 in realstic terms

2. how spain finish ranked 1, i know they won the euro''s but they struggled to qualify and theyre last semi final before this tourney was about 30 years ago

3. how are scotland and bulgaria realistically in top 17teams? scotland last tourney was 1998 and bulgarias im guessing was 2002?

 

i would mark it up as

1. brazil

2. argies

3. spain

4. italy

5. germany

6. portgual

7. france

8. croatia

9. czechs

10 england

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Are you joking!!!??? Why on earth would we be in the top ten????? [*-)]

[macdougalls perm 0]

Actually, I know why - you''re using the same logic that makes Wolves a huge club - Grandad''s medals. [:)]

[we8wba 0]

 

Mcdougal i dont know why you have to bring wolves into this we arent a huge club. we are middlish club but we bigger club than norwich FACT!! sounds like sour grapes that you keep mentioning wolves as i didnt mention them prior to this

[Snuggles 0]

Whatever the minutiae of ranking positions, England are now the undisputed underachiever champions of the world.

 

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[quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

czechs are good side missed rosicky greatly

and if you check czech tourney history they deserve to be in their ahead of russia who scrapped through qualifing depending on us losing and then had one good tournement in how long

[/quote]The Czechs are are side in decline and Russia are a side on the up. I don''t think Rosicky would have made an awful lot of difference to the Czech performance and it doesn''t say much for them as a team that they are so reliant on one player. Koller has been the focal point of most of ther attacks and he''s retiring and they''ve never really replaced Nedved. If Russia can find a couple of decent central defenders before the next World Cup they could be real contenders. I don''t know whether tourney (?) history makes much difference to the rankings, otherwise England wouldn''t have slipped so far by virtue of not qualifying.[quote user="super mick mccarthy "]all the teams in their had one good tournement thats it. so england qualified we be about 6th now by least getting 1/4s[/quote]England couln''t even qualify for crying out loud and you somehow think we would have got to the quarter finals [8-)]

[Cobain18 0]

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

Scotland do lose against crap teams, you see it all the time.

They''ll beat Spain for example and draw with Holland and all they have to do to get to the next round is beat Faroe Islands for e.g. and they end up losing 2-1 or something.

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Like England losing against Northern Ireland you mean? I think the English view of Scotland and England is so tainted and I am English! 

[Papa Boupa knee op 0]

I''d like to see us in a group like that, Maybe the English players will go into the game expecting a challenge and get into their tackles.

Rather than pussy footing around and expecting to WIN!

[we8wba 0]

quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily

russia and croatia did and thats no embarassment to us now that we didnt qualify. im not saying its right we didnt qualify! we should of been there yes! but qualifing and tournement after dont always go to plan

croatia cake walked our group and russia sneaked through the back door. russia had better tourney than them

[macdougalls perm 0]

To Mick (really annoying Non matching quote blocks in post quote keeps coming up),

Just for a bit of a chuckle. [:)]

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[quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily

[/quote]The arrogance of the average English football fan truly knows no bounds [:''(]Who knows, if we''d have made the quarters we might even have gone on to win it hey [:$]

[we8wba 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily

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The arrogance of the average English football fan truly knows no bounds [:''(]

Who knows, if we''d have made the quarters we might even have gone on to win it hey [:$]
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no we get 1/4s play blinder but someone will be sent off or injured last minute of game sol campbell will score perfectly good goal but disollowed. extra time be all square then we''ll lose in pen shootout

 

[BBFF 0]

Yes about right.

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

[San Miguel 0]

no direct comment on England or Scotland but these rankings are useless, and far too fickle

So Brazil are only forth? don''t think so

Romania are twelth? and are better than England, Scotland, Mexico etc? of course they are not!

and Holland move from 10th to 5th just because they almost did something in Euro''08? same with Russia!

 

[lobstercatcher2 0]

you must post just  to annoy people,FRANCE  ffs are worse than us,and we are rubbish,i can name 10 teams better than both us and france you silly little person ,god life must be dull in birmingham

[Cobain18 0]

[quote user="super mick mccarthy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily

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The arrogance of the average English football fan truly knows no bounds [:''(]

Who knows, if we''d have made the quarters we might even have gone on to win it hey [:$]
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no we get 1/4s play blinder but someone will be sent off or injured last minute of game sol campbell will score perfectly good goal but disollowed. extra time be all square then we''ll lose in pen shootout

 

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Rubbish - what actually happens is England get to the quarters; theyre not good enough to progress so some England fans make excuses (Sol Campbell''s goal was rightfully disallowed.) England would have got no where near the 1/4 this year! I want England to do well but this is the reality

[we8wba 0]

[quote user="Cobain18"][quote user="super mick mccarthy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="super mick mccarthy "]

quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily

[/quote]

The arrogance of the average English football fan truly knows no bounds [:''(]

Who knows, if we''d have made the quarters we might even have gone on to win it hey [:$]
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no we get 1/4s play blinder but someone will be sent off or injured last minute of game sol campbell will score perfectly good goal but disollowed. extra time be all square then we''ll lose in pen shootout

 

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Rubbish - what actually happens is England get to the quarters; theyre not good enough to progress so some England fans make excuses (Sol Campbell''s goal was rightfully disallowed.) England would have got no where near the 1/4 this year! I want England to do well but this is the reality

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argentina aswell? nothing wrong there

and someone else made good point what have holland done?

they lost in 1/4s and came 2nd in qualifing so why are they 5th?

brazil 4th best in world come on give it up

 

the world rankings are a joke