Money received/squad cost.....

[Mr.Carrow 394]

Ok very basic figures i know and there for people to pick apart, but the club have just finished receiving £32million sky money, in the same period they have sold players to the value of £16million, yet the cost of the entire current squad is no more than £5million- not much more than the squad which got us promoted.

Is it really any wonder we are in the situation we are in when the team on the pitch has clearly been way down the list of priorities at the club??

[gazzathegreat 0]

Come on Mr C, how can you condemn the club for not wanting to build a hotel and as for all those proposed flats etc....shame on you! And don''t forget Yellows, now open all day long......to be full of fun seeking city fans all staying there day and night discussing the finer points of our back to back victories.

Also, don''t forget the email system installed for Mr Doncaster to respond to his ultra heavy inbox.

Oh to be the club''s accountants!

[Mr.Carrow 394]

You`ll have to brush up on your fake grin and practise saying "everything`s gonna be just fine!" if you want to be let into Yellows Gazza......[;)]

[gazzathegreat 0]

That''s funny Mr C, I walk past the place every day and it''s never full, never anywhere near. What a shame, as it''s right on my doorstep so to speak. The intentions were possibly good, but hey 250k could have been given to the manager for team strengthening....oh well, never mind eh, another bit of refurbishment.....

[Syteanric 1]

is "yellows" what used to be known as "scores" and before that "the Srtikers Free house"?

 

jas :)

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]That''s funny Mr C, I walk past the place every day and it''s never full, never anywhere near. What a shame, as it''s right on my doorstep so to speak. The intentions were possibly good, but hey 250k could have been given to the manager for team strengthening....oh well, never mind eh, another bit of refurbishment.....[/quote]The money for the re-fit of Yellows was a loan from DWJ and MWJ.  Admittedly they could have put the same money in for a player / players...

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="blahblahblah"]The money for the re-fit of Yellows was a loan from DWJ and MWJ.  Admittedly they could have put the same money in for a player / players...[/quote]Seeing the performance of our players recently, would you want to risk your £250k on another one? If they''d invested half in a player and the other half in Mercy, that would have worked. though - at least they''d get half his wages back.

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Ok very basic figures i know and there for people to pick apart, but the club have just finished receiving £32million sky money, in the same period they have sold players to the value of £16million, yet the cost of the entire current squad is no more than £5million- not much more than the squad which got us promoted.

Is it really any wonder we are in the situation we are in when the team on the pitch has clearly been way down the list of priorities at the club??

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Mr. Carrow, I have no wish to pick your input apart and, more to the point, do not feel qualified to do so. However, I have to honestly say that, given the input I have seen from you over time, I believe you are capable of so much more. This is what I would call a "headline thread" with similar content. It fans flames and, if that''s what you want to do, of course that''s your right.

On the "Proposed Solutions" thread I really was suggesting that posters such as yourself and Fat Prophet seem knowlegable enough to put together a synopsis of what the financial picture could really look like for NCFC if things were being managed from a "football first" basis. I know it''s work and effort but if you ( and others with similar leanings ) could put together something like that surely the more substance we then find a way of getting  publicity for the more pressure is brought to bear. Would you not find that more satisfying? I realise that there are probably many that doubt fans can have any real influence but, given that most people only ever employ a small percentage of their brainpower, I like to believe that all things are possible.

 

[Have Heart 0]

Now explain the outgoings? Its all well and good making assumptions on the clubs income and throwing your toys around based on what little has gone back into the clubs transfer kitty but theres more to keep a football club afloat than buying players.

[DisorientatedCanary 0]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="gazzathegreat"]That''s funny Mr C, I walk past the place every day and it''s never full, never anywhere near. What a shame, as it''s right on my doorstep so to speak. The intentions were possibly good, but hey 250k could have been given to the manager for team strengthening....oh well, never mind eh, another bit of refurbishment.....[/quote]

The money for the re-fit of Yellows was a loan from DWJ and MWJ.  Admittedly they could have put the same money in for a player / players...
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and at £2.90 for a pint of Carling, yes bloody Carling, it shouldnt take long to pay the loan back.

[Creative Midfielder 2,203]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Ok very basic figures i know and there for people to pick apart, but the club have just finished receiving £32million sky money, in the same period they have sold players to the value of £16million, yet the cost of the entire current squad is no more than £5million- not much more than the squad which got us promoted.

Is it really any wonder we are in the situation we are in when the team on the pitch has clearly been way down the list of priorities at the club??

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Sorry to point out the blindlingly obvious but I presume the £32 sky money includes our Prem season plus two years of parachute payments. You''ve included our sales over this period but not our purchases.

Cant be *rsed to tot them all up but imagine in the same period we''ve spent £15-20m on bringing players into the club, especially if you count agent as well as transfer fees. Add in three years of wages and I think its actually quite easy to see where the money''s gone.

Whether we''ve invested the money in the right players is an entirely different point and not the one, I think, you''re trying to make.

 

[Karl Pilkington 0]

I went in Yellows last saturday night and it was full, "Chairman Roge''" was in their, but that may be because it was the opening weekend.

The food was very good. I recomend it.

[gazzathegreat 0]

Yes, Jas, you won''t recognise it now.....

[lobster catcher 0]

Hey as long as i can have an expensive meal and an expensive pint before the game safe in the knowledge the club is being run "successfully for a small club",i wouldn''t care if were in the conference clap clap clap happy clap happy clap clap....

 

[BigFish 2,282]

[quote user="xKevin82x"]Now explain the outgoings? Its all well and good making assumptions on the clubs income and throwing your toys around based on what little has gone back into the clubs transfer kitty but theres more to keep a football club afloat than buying players.[/quote]

I think Mr Carrow is on his hols at a moment so I will try and put you a little straight on this one as best as I can. Mr Carrow does not usually make assumptions but largely picks through the clubs accounts at an impressively forensic level. The case against the board is that they have invested in the infill stand, land, a new box office when there was already a fully serviceable one, offices, a hotel, a bloody road etc etc and this has starved the team of investment.

Now run along sonny with your one post and come back when your boss at the club has given you something detailed to say.[:)]

[T 191]

infill stand - generally supported at time

land - asset backed loan so money would not be available for squad, generally agreed that seeking to raise other income from the club is a good thing

new box office - agreed that this appears discretionary spend

offices - futher details would be required to assess whether this was justifiable or not

hotel was an entirely separately outside financed deal from which the club gets some additional money so not logical to criticise the club for building an infill and also for not building an infill

the *** road was a planning requirement

Accordingly, to assess these decisions you would need futher information. Most of the decisions appear reasonable but no doubt there was some discretionary spend that could have been spent on the squad

[Have Heart 0]

First time post doesnt cover up the fact that Mr carrow has only presented on side of the clubs financial status that being the income into his rahter pointlessly aimed attempt to point the finger at the board for a low league postion. Its also humourous that if your a first time poster accusations are made that part of the club, grow up and learn to accept concstructive crictism on behalf of mr carrow bigfish.

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="T"]

infill stand - generally supported at time

land - asset backed loan so money would not be available for squad, generally agreed that seeking to raise other income from the club is a good thing

new box office - agreed that this appears discretionary spend

offices - futher details would be required to assess whether this was justifiable or not

hotel was an entirely separately outside financed deal from which the club gets some additional money so not logical to criticise the club for building an infill and also for not building an infill

the *** road was a planning requirement

Accordingly, to assess these decisions you would need futher information. Most of the decisions appear reasonable but no doubt there was some discretionary spend that could have been spent on the squad

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The problem I have with the board is lack of investment in the football team dating back to the summer of 2004. I applaud them for trying to set up additional revenue streams but feel they never got the balance right.

My understanding is that the sale of land to build the flats and the change in access routes neccessitated the moving of the Box Office but I could be wrong.

 

[gazzathegreat 0]

I thought the box office was moved due to the previous one being too small to handle the amount of business.

Yes, we do need income to fund PLAYERS, but not at the expense of ever getting in any decent ones. The balance as you say is the thing and they have got it wrong, big time. We sell big and buy small, while concentrating on other things....

[BigFish 2,282]

[quote user="xKevin82x"]

First time post doesnt cover up the fact that Mr carrow has only presented on side of the clubs financial status that being the income into his rahter pointlessly aimed attempt to point the finger at the board for a low league postion. Its also humourous that if your a first time poster accusations are made that part of the club, grow up and learn to accept concstructive crictism on behalf of mr carrow bigfish.

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Not true sir......on other many other posts he has e.g.

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Well Mello, the club have get to find £2.55million to pay the loan for the Laurence Scott land by next May, £400k for the infill and £900k to service the main debt. It goes without saying that NONE of these loans benefited the team. 8-)]

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[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]I thought the box office was moved due to the previous one being too small to handle the amount of business. Yes, we do need income to fund PLAYERS, but not at the expense of ever getting in any decent ones. The balance as you say is the thing and they have got it wrong, big time. We sell big and buy small, while concentrating on other things....[/quote]

You may be right about the Box Office Gazza, like I said I don''t know. We take a lot for granted now, can you remember what that area of the ground used to be like?

I loved standing on the terraces watching the great City teams of the past, the facilities didn''t matter to any of us in those days, but the world is different now. It may not be a better place but we can''t change it.

 

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="xKevin82x"]

First time post doesnt cover up the fact that Mr carrow has only presented on side of the clubs financial status that being the income into his rahter pointlessly aimed attempt to point the finger at the board for a low league postion. Its also humourous that if your a first time poster accusations are made that part of the club, grow up and learn to accept concstructive crictism on behalf of mr carrow bigfish.

 

 

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