What was the cost of our loan players?

[Oso Butch 0]

Charlie mentions Zesh Rehman in today''s interview, and that got me thinking.

I believe that the amount shelled out just on the loans of Zesh and Jonatan Johansson - given how little they were then used - was absolutely disgraceful.

Zesh played 5 times and JJ2 played 12. 

Let''s assume (because I don''t have the full stats) that, on average, Zesh played for 80 minutes a game (I cannot remember him being subbed, so it could have been the full 90 mins each time, but go with it...) and that JJ2 played, on average, for 45 minutes a game - probably an overstatement but, again, go with it.

Let''s also assume that, as Premiership players, they were paid either £5000/week each; or £8000/week each.

Ignoring agents'' fees etc. this means that, over 17 weeks (Jan-end April) the club will have paid out

£170,000 (assuming £5,000/week each) or £272,000 (assuming £8,000/week each). Putting it another way,

that''s somewhere between £180 and £290 a MINUTE that they were on the pitch!!

If that isn''t an appalling waste of the Club''s funds, I don''t know what is..... [:@] 

 

[Mark Quinton 0]

I had a reply from an email I sent to doncaster and these are his exact words:

 

"a few bullet point answers to your points:

Rehman - brought in on loan when Shackell still injured, as cover for Shackell. we''re only paying a small proportion of his wages

Johansson - brought in on loan to plug a gap on the right. a lot less risky getting a player you like on loan (to get a look at him) rather than buy"

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Oso Butch"]

Charlie mentions Zesh Rehman in today''s interview, and that got me thinking.

I believe that the amount shelled out just on the loans of Zesh and Jonatan Johansson - given how little they were then used - was absolutely disgraceful.

Zesh played 5 times and JJ2 played 12. 

Let''s assume (because I don''t have the full stats) that, on average, Zesh played for 80 minutes a game (I cannot remember him being subbed, so it could have been the full 90 mins each time, but go with it...) and that JJ2 played, on average, for 45 minutes a game - probably an overstatement but, again, go with it.

Let''s also assume that, as Premiership players, they were paid either £5000/week each; or £8000/week each.

Ignoring agents'' fees etc. this means that, over 17 weeks (Jan-end April) the club will have paid out

£170,000 (assuming £5,000/week each) or £272,000 (assuming £8,000/week each). Putting it another way,

that''s somewhere between £180 and £290 a MINUTE that they were on the pitch!!

If that isn''t an appalling waste of the Club''s funds, I don''t know what is..... [:@]

 

[/quote]I am

surprised that you havent pointed out that this may actually be a

better deal than some of the permanent players we have. At least we can

send these guys back if we want to!!!!!!

To be honest with the squad we have all it would take is an injury and they would have been playing week in week out. Brining in loans as cover is not a bad idea. Although much later on JJ2 was brought in after the Marney injury and I think had he stayed fit we would have had a much more solid right wing all season and you never know- may have got us a few more points?

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Mark Quinton"]

I had a reply from an email I sent to doncaster and these are his exact words:

 

"a few bullet point answers to your points:

Rehman - brought in on loan when Shackell still injured, as cover for Shackell. we''re only paying a small proportion of his wages

Johansson - brought in on loan to plug a gap on the right. a lot less risky getting a player you like on loan (to get a look at him) rather than buy"

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and what about the time it may take Johanson or Rehman to adjust?? they may be good players next season for us - especially JJ2 who has ability.  But no, they arent given that EXCUSE like so many of our other signings.  Also Worthy rates Hughes at Right Wing over JJ2!! what a numptey....

Looked to me like Spillane could have fitted in to cover shackell getting fit....  He did not look out of place in the first team when given a chance....

[oh huckerby 0]

i heard the Rehman was on top money £16k a week or something silly like that! and we paid the lot!!!

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Mark Quinton"]

I had a reply from an email I sent to doncaster and these are his exact words:

 

"a few bullet point answers to your points:

Rehman - brought in on loan when Shackell still injured, as cover for Shackell. we''re only paying a small proportion of his wages

Johansson - brought in on loan to plug a gap on the right. a lot less risky getting a player you like on loan (to get a look at him) rather than buy"

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as usual Neil D Dodges the bullet.. that answer does not answer the question of how much they cost!

jas :)

[Karl Pilkington 0]

What about Dean Marney???

It was obviously not his fault he got injured, but we have still been paying his wages all season why he''s been staring at the ceiling in the spurs treatment room!!!

 

[Tom NCFC 0]

[quote user="Iwans Front Teeth"]

What about Dean Marney???

It was obviously not his fault he got injured, but we have still been paying his wages all season why he''s been staring at the ceiling in the spurs treatment room!!!

 

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If I was Worthy, i''d have taken the risk. If thats the only contract Tottenham were going to give us, i''d have took it up for the chance to get Dean Marney. He improved our squad

Anyway what would you prefer, if we took a risk for the likes of Marney or got some 2nd rate midfielder like Graham Branch cause they were cheap and had a clause in his contract

 

[USAcanary 0]

[quote user="Oso Butch"]

Charlie mentions Zesh Rehman in today''s interview, and that got me thinking.

I believe that the amount shelled out just on the loans of Zesh and Jonatan Johansson - given how little they were then used - was absolutely disgraceful.

Zesh played 5 times and JJ2 played 12. 

Let''s assume (because I don''t have the full stats) that, on average, Zesh played for 80 minutes a game (I cannot remember him being subbed, so it could have been the full 90 mins each time, but go with it...) and that JJ2 played, on average, for 45 minutes a game - probably an overstatement but, again, go with it.

Let''s also assume that, as Premiership players, they were paid either £5000/week each; or £8000/week each.

Ignoring agents'' fees etc. this means that, over 17 weeks (Jan-end April) the club will have paid out

£170,000 (assuming £5,000/week each) or £272,000 (assuming £8,000/week each). Putting it another way,

that''s somewhere between £180 and £290 a MINUTE that they were on the pitch!!

If that isn''t an appalling waste of the Club''s funds, I don''t know what is..... [:@] 

 

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From the last conversation about wages over "How much profit did we REALLY make from Dean Ashton"

The KTF`s seem to believe that wages are not real expenses. (LOL)

The fact that Worthington brought in loan signings when we could have saved money and used some of the younger players.

Why do we even have a youth program?

Why did players such as Joe Lewis not get more first team experience in the last few games.

Why was Charlton on the bench when he is leaving when a young player could have sat there.

All as big a mystery as playing a the long ball to two short strikers.

Anyone notice that only 4 teams in the whole divison lost more games than we did and three of those were relegated.

The warning signs are all there to see, well done to the KTF`s, you win for now.

You should be proud on the slope the club is on.

As Simon Charlton said today

"From a neutral point of view I think the Championship is going to be probably the most exciting league in the country next year. As for Norwich''s chances, it''s a tough one. I think that with the talent that the players have got here they should be up there, but it''s going to be tough for them"

To me that means he thinks we have a good squad but the mangament is poor.

Could not agree more.

 

 

[Jimaldinho 0]

[quote user="USAcanary"][quote user="Oso Butch"]

Charlie mentions Zesh Rehman in today''s interview, and that got me thinking.

I believe that the amount shelled out just on the loans of Zesh and Jonatan Johansson - given how little they were then used - was absolutely disgraceful.

Zesh played 5 times and JJ2 played 12. 

Let''s assume (because I don''t have the full stats) that, on average, Zesh played for 80 minutes a game (I cannot remember him being subbed, so it could have been the full 90 mins each time, but go with it...) and that JJ2 played, on average, for 45 minutes a game - probably an overstatement but, again, go with it.

Let''s also assume that, as Premiership players, they were paid either £5000/week each; or £8000/week each.

Ignoring agents'' fees etc. this means that, over 17 weeks (Jan-end April) the club will have paid out

£170,000 (assuming £5,000/week each) or £272,000 (assuming £8,000/week each). Putting it another way,

that''s somewhere between £180 and £290 a MINUTE that they were on the pitch!!

If that isn''t an appalling waste of the Club''s funds, I don''t know what is..... [:@] 

 

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Anyone notice that only 4 teams in the whole divison lost more games than we did and three of those were relegated.

 

 

 

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So then...what KTFer can defend that?

[Huddy 0]

We got rehman on the cheap. When someone i know aked Neil Doncaster about it, he said that we had him on the cheap. As for johansen and Marney i am unsure. I wouildnt of thought marney would be much you because he is unlikely to be on a big contract at spurs because of his age and what he''s done - not much.

[rainbow 0]

[quote user="Mark Quinton"]

I had a reply from an email I sent to doncaster and these are his exact words:

 

"a few bullet point answers to your points:

Rehman - brought in on loan when Shackell still injured, as cover for Shackell. we''re only paying a small proportion of his wages

Johansson - brought in on loan to plug a gap on the right. a lot less risky getting a player you like on loan (to get a look at him) rather than buy"

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this at least shows how open the board are about all things finacial and also shows that they know a bit about this club, i have met doncaster a several occasions and compaired to the likes of chase he really seems to be a genuine supporter who is allways prepared to listen to what you have to say , no one is happy about the way things have gone in the past two seasons but for me the most depressing sight was seeing chase at carrow road..........now that for me is NOT acceptable.....he completly assett stripped this club and should have gone to gaol for miss appropiation of funds! this is the shite that he spouted on about today, fecking disgraceful that he should be allowed into our club

He has not been seen at Carrow Road since his hugely contentious reign as chairman came to an end 10 years ago - his name consigned to history. But now, finally, Robert Chase has emerged from the shadows to talk candidly about some of the events that preceded his demise. RICHARD BALLS reports



The angry scenes outside the entrance to Carrow Road were unprecedented then and - despite frustration on the terraces this season - they have never been repeated. Police on horses clashed with incensed fans as they staged an uprising designed to oust Chairman Chase from the club and publicly went to war with the board of their beloved club. Eventually they got their way, Chase could take no more, and the Delia Smith era began.

The successful builder retreated to Halvergate Hall and has rarely been seen in public since, with Sir Arthur South''s memorial service at Norwich Cathedral being a notable exception. Although he has attended the odd away match, he has never been back to Carrow Road, choosing to follow the fortunes of the club he has followed since he was a boy from the comfort of his armchair. Football fans have long memories and there is no doubt that his presence could have inflamed some of those who believe the club has never fully recovered from his mismanagement of its finances in the mid-1990s. When Norwich City reached the dizzy heights of Inter Milan''s San Siro Stadium during that memorable European adventure, his failure to release the purse strings and splash out on new players resulted in that momentum being lost, his critics claimed. Instead of pushing on, the club went into reverse.

In his interview with Anglia News, he speaks about several of the incidents which so riled supporters, including the sale of leading striker Chris Sutton to Blackburn Rovers in July 1994 for a then record British fee of £5.5m. Not only had the club parted with its prized asset, but several months earlier Chase had famously assured fans that “if Chris Sutton isn''t at Carrow Road next season then I won''t be either”.

Reminded of the remark, he has this to say. “I think you''ve all milked that very well up to now, but let me just say. We were trying to convey that we had done the best deal we possibly could for a local lad who we wanted to keep - that was the objective. The choice of words, with the benefit of hindsight, I wouldn''t have used. But nevertheless I would have done everything I could at that time to have made it as difficult as possible for anyone to come and poach him.

“Once we had done the deal I thought that was settled. But there, we have seen it happen since and we will see it happen again. But who would have deprived Chris of a championship medal? Who would deprive anyone of a cup final medal? We are not in the business of doing that.”

It was not just the sale of Sutton, Ruel Fox, Efan Ekoku and Mark Robins in that ill-fated 1994/95 campaign that destabilised a side that would go on to be relegated. Back in December, inspirational keeper Bryan Gunn broke his ankle as he took a kick at Nottingham Forest''s City Ground and while his young understudy Andy Marshall made the step up after a spectacular performance at home against Newcastle, some fans believed Chase''s failure to draft in an experienced keeper was a fatal error.

“I think Bryan played a terrific part in the team,” he says. “Apart from being a fantastic goalkeeper, his presence was a terrific asset to the football club and breaking his ankle like he did, it was very unfortunate.

“If you have a terrible bump and you get hurt, I think it might be easier to live with than getting your foot stuck in the mud and breaking your ankle like that. He had a terrific presence in the dressing room and it was impossible to ever replace that.”

Asked directly whether he should have brought in an experienced keeper or other players to strengthen the team, he admits: “Perhaps with the benefit of hindsight we should have strengthened earlier. Yes, I think that''s a fair comment. But it''s easy to be wise after the event, isn''t it? No one thought at Christmas that we were in any danger at all, but there, that''s what makes football the marvellous game it is.”

It was arising from the resignation of the entire Norwich City board in November 1985 that Robert Chase, a builder from Halvergate near Yarmouth, was ushered in as chairman and the club did enjoy good times under his stewardship.

Led by manager Ken Brown, Norwich won promotion back to the top-flight at the first time of asking after their relegation and in 1989 reached the FA Cup semi-final, losing to Everton on the day of the Hillsborough disaster.

In 1992-93 the club finished third in the newly-formed Premier League winning qualification to Europe where it was to enjoy its greatest ever adventure, beating the mighty Bayern Munich on home soil and going on to play Inter Milan in the splendour of the San Siro.

But rather than the club building on such amazing success, it appeared to slide backwards and following Norwich''s relegation in 1995 and O''Neill''s resignation, a fierce campaign was launched by fans to drive ''Chase Out''. At its height, mounted police were drafted in to deal with angry scenes as supporters gathered around Carrow Road to call for his head.

After the sale of star players and with revelations that the club was several million pounds in debt, he finally bowed to pressure and resigned on May 2, 1996.

Asked whether he has any regrets or whether he wished he had done things differently, he pauses before replying: “I think nine of the 10 were fantastic years and I wouldn''t have changed anything. Whatever you do in life over a period of 10 years there are some things that you would wish you would do differently and all you have got to do is look at the last two prime ministers. I bet they would have changed things if they could turn the clock back, but you can''t.

“I think the only thing I would have done differently is to have gone six months or a year earlier.”

The interview will be broadcast in Anglia Tonight at 6pm this evening.