No Matchday Programmes Next Season ?

[TIL 1010 4,802]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

If there is no matchday programme to contain her boardroom notes, what is left of her job?

She can maybe dedicate more time to answering your e-mails.

[essex canary 508]

27 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

She can maybe dedicate more time to answering your e-mails.

Maybe if she had simply conceded, she would have had more time to engineer a level of performance comparable to Burnley for the benefit of us all whether shareholders or otherwise.

On the subject of programmes, as indicated here, some customers have already paid for these as part of their season ticket. That should apply to me to albeit that I lost it in campaigning for equality issues that apparently Zoe champions. I think to the contrary.

 

[Greavsy 2,453]

13 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Maybe if she had simply conceded, she would have had more time to engineer a level of performance comparable to Burnley for the benefit of us all whether shareholders or otherwise.

On the subject of programmes, as indicated here, some customers have already paid for these as part of their season ticket. That should apply to me to albeit that I lost it in campaigning for equality issues that apparently Zoe champions. I think to the contrary.

 

Just to clarify,  are you a shareholder? Just you haven't mentioned it in the last hour

[wcorkcanary 4,352]

21 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Just to clarify,  are you a shareholder? Just you haven't mentioned it in the last hour

I've offered him an out from his personal hell of being ignored, ridiculed and humiliated in equal measure. Methinks he's  a masochist, but doesnt know it.( lack of self awareness....again) . 20p in the pound seems fair to me😎👌😉

[Greavsy 2,453]

1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

I've offered him an out from his personal hell of being ignored, ridiculed and humiliated in equal measure. Methinks he's  a masochist, but doesnt know it.( lack of self awareness....again) . 20p in the pound seems fair to me😎👌😉

Is that a for life offer?

Asking for a friend

[TIL 1010 4,802]

2 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Just to clarify,  are you a shareholder? Just you haven't mentioned it in the last hour

Yeah but he has mentioned Burnley in a couple of posts so my guess is Luton next.

[wcorkcanary 4,352]

2 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Is that a for life offer?

Asking for a friend

Actually  its an offer in perpetuity  , once done , no whining. I can also declare that my offspring would have no interest in a ST. I have never e-mailed the Club . I do not compare us to Burnley, Luton or Cambridge utd. I would not claim to be ' helping the Club ' ....though im sure they'd be grateful to have him off the shareholders  roster ( maybe worth 2 STs? 😉) . 

[Yellowhammer 88]

My first programme cost 6d and to go in the ground as a kid cost 2/6d or half a crown both costs have risen so much you need a loan to watch city every match and buy a programme 

[essex canary 508]

Again this appears to be an issue that has had no supporter consultation. Profits probably make up only a small proportion of the Webber's family income.

Maybe sensible to make a change. How about returning to a 1970's slimline style free of charge to anyone who wants it. Cost peanuts.

When Sunday football was first introduced in early 1980's, admission was by programme purchase only as direct admission charge wasn't permitted.

[PockthorpePete 331]

13 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I thought it was the light at the end of the tunnel but it just turned out to be an old person with a torch coming to ask for more money..... 

They may appear to be at the end of the players tunnel, but the lights are actually on the stands

[raunds canary 218]

I've programmes going back to 1950s . In total probably around 1500. The late 70s and early 80s they were classy affairs . Used to buy the fanzines too. " Liverpool are on the Tele again" was the one that comes to mind without getting all my boxes out of the cupboard to look. 

Have loads of scrapbooks to of press cuttings from 1954 ( news of the world back page when taking up carpets in first house) to the mid nineties. Whole scrapbook from 88/89 when we won at both old Trafford and Anfield under Dave stringer. 

Loads of other memorabilia too including a bag of grass from around 1987 when they used to leave the stadium open in the summer 😁😁

[essex canary 508]

6 hours ago, Yellowhammer said:

My first programme cost 6d and to go in the ground as a kid cost 2/6d or half a crown both costs have risen so much you need a loan to watch city every match and buy a programme 

You take out the mortgage whilst the Webber's live a life of luxury including meals out with the great socialists. The reality for NCFC supporters which goes unchallenged by weak or non-existent supporter representation.

[raunds canary 218]

1 minute ago, essex canary said:

You take out the mortgage whilst the Webber's live a life of luxury including meals out with the great socialists. The reality for NCFC supporters which goes unchallenged by weak or non-existent supporter representation.

Wow it's a subject about no programmes next season !

[essex canary 508]

4 minutes ago, raunds canary said:

Wow it's a subject about no programmes next season !

Yes which would cost peanuts.

[wcorkcanary 4,352]

10 minutes ago, raunds canary said:

Wow it's a subject about no programmes next season !

Its Ethics, he has several hobbyhorses, but their shoite all smells the same. 

Edited April 11, 2023 by wcorkcanary

[TIL 1010 4,802]

15 minutes ago, essex canary said:

You take out the mortgage whilst the Webber's live a life of luxury including meals out with the great socialists. The reality for NCFC supporters which goes unchallenged by weak or non-existent supporter representation.

I sense another hobby horse is riding into view.

[raunds canary 218]

12 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

I sense another hobby horse is riding into view.

Well some on here still seem to be on romper room 😁

[......and Smith must score. 1,363]

14 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

I haven’t bought a programme in years.  In pre-interweb times there might have been some point in having one but these days what do they tell you that you can’t find out elsewhere?  That said, I used to find the fanzines of the 80s and 90s were a good read and were far more entertaining than the official glossy brochure.  Going back further, does anyone remember the “Football League Review” that used to be enclosed with every programme?

Yes indeed. Football League Review was fairly short lived but a decent read. Late 60’s/Early 70’s I think.

Still inside the programmes squirrelled away in the loft.

[......and Smith must score. 1,363]

1 hour ago, raunds canary said:

I've programmes going back to 1950s . In total probably around 1500.  

Loads of other memorabilia too including a bag of grass from around 1987 when they used to leave the stadium open in the summer 😁😁

I thought drugs in football grounds was a more recent phenomenon ?

[Greavsy 2,453]

37 minutes ago, raunds canary said:

Well some on here still seem to be on romper room 😁

If they carry on someone is at risk of being chucked out the square window....... ☺ 

Edited April 11, 2023 by Greavsy

[crispeduk 282]

On 11/04/2023 at 06:57, Naturalcynic said:

I haven’t bought a programme in years.  In pre-interweb times there might have been some point in having one but these days what do they tell you that you can’t find out elsewhere?  That said, I used to find the fanzines of the 80s and 90s were a good read and were far more entertaining than the official glossy brochure.  Going back further, does anyone remember the “Football League Review” that used to be enclosed with every programme?

The idea began in 1965 as called something like 'Soccer Review', which a midlands journalist dreamed up, replaced by Football League Review at the start of the 66-67 season funded by money football authorities didn't know what to do with from the World Cup win revenue (although that bit may be an urban myth of the day), amid booming match attendances. Seem to remember there were lots of them left lying around on buses on the way home. Lasted a few years. Found a bunch a few years back (I must've taken them out of my programmes too), thumbing through them a lot of it was a good read but realised I hadn't bothered with them at the time. Tried to give them away but they went in the bin as no-one was interested 😄

[essex canary 508]

A number of clubs have been grappling with whether to maintain a Match Programme.

The King's Lynn Chairman has been very specific about the required sales target to make it viable. He has nonetheless kept it going with imaginative solutions such as a double issue when they have 2 matches in close proximity.

Cambridge made it digital only for a while at the start of the pandemic only to revert to paper copies being widely available.

Whilst these Clubs could not stand a loss given the size of their budgets, what difference does it really make for NCFC?

Also Lynn and Cambridge have used their publications to promote their actions in relation to the Crouch Report. Pity NCFC haven't been doing likewise. Then again no surprise.

 

 

 

[Greavsy 2,453]

8 minutes ago, essex canary said:

A number of clubs have been grappling with whether to maintain a Match Programme.

The King's Lynn Chairman has been very specific about the required sales target to make it viable. He has nonetheless kept it going with imaginative solutions such as a double issue when they have 2 matches in close proximity.

Cambridge made it digital only for a while at the start of the pandemic only to revert to paper copies being widely available.

Whilst these Clubs could not stand a loss given the size of their budgets, what difference does it really make for NCFC?

Also Lynn and Cambridge have used their publications to promote their actions in relation to the Crouch Report. Pity NCFC haven't been doing likewise. Then again no surprise.

 

 

 

Is that another stick?

[essex canary 508]

On 12/04/2023 at 23:22, Greavsy said:

Is that another stick?

Given your position re the OSP and consultation, your reaction seems a little inconsistent.

[GMF 757]

On 11/04/2023 at 21:05, TIL 1010 said:

I sense another hobby horse is riding into view.

Hopefully, this one will fall at the first at Aintree on Saturday… But, I suspect it will be like one of those pesky riderless horses that keeps popping up at the front of the field, getting in the way of the main event…

[lake district canary 4,551]

The way clubs have tried to make programmes more sellable over the years is to make them bigger, glossier and with more and more photos, more and more articles about all sorts of things, more stuff for kids - so in short they have made it more expensive to produce , filled it with ads and put the price up to try and claw that money back to try and make a profit.

If the programme is not generating enough money, which I presume is the issue here, then they just need to go back to producing a basic six page format that costs little to produce and sell it for £2, or even £1. The basic programmes of the sixties was great - simple and clear - a message from the manager, a few stats, a couple of photos from the previous match, bit of info about the opposition and that was it.  Sometimes, less is more.

[essex canary 508]

10 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

The way clubs have tried to make programmes more sellable over the years is to make them bigger, glossier and with more and more photos, more and more articles about all sorts of things, more stuff for kids - so in short they have made it more expensive to produce , filled it with ads and put the price up to try and claw that money back to try and make a profit.

If the programme is not generating enough money, which I presume is the issue here, then they just need to go back to producing a basic six page format that costs little to produce and sell it for £2, or even £1. The basic programmes of the sixties was great - simple and clear - a message from the manager, a few stats, a couple of photos from the previous match, bit of info about the opposition and that was it.  Sometimes, less is more.

Exactly plus add a Luton style address from the Executive Director assuming she and the rest of the Board have created the appropriate environment in advance, which they haven't.

[shefcanary 2,490]

24 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

The way clubs have tried to make programmes more sellable over the years is to make them bigger, glossier and with more and more photos, more and more articles about all sorts of things, more stuff for kids - so in short they have made it more expensive to produce , filled it with ads and put the price up to try and claw that money back to try and make a profit.

If the programme is not generating enough money, which I presume is the issue here, then they just need to go back to producing a basic six page format that costs little to produce and sell it for £2, or even £1. The basic programmes of the sixties was great - simple and clear - a message from the manager, a few stats, a couple of photos from the previous match, bit of info about the opposition and that was it.  Sometimes, less is more.

As you state producing the programme has become an industry in itself at most clubs. Although some may find the programme a useful source of information about the club, nowadays that number is dwindling. Although removing the programme could be seen as reducing customer service levels, the hope must be the resource freed up by stopping the production of the programmes can be diverted to improve further other areas that benefit supporters. Here's hoping ...

[TIL 1010 4,802]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

Exactly plus add a Luton style address from the Executive Director assuming she and the rest of the Board have created the appropriate environment in advance, which they haven't.

If it isn't Burnley that you admire above all other clubs it has to be Luton so well done on giving them their turn in your list of mentions.

[TIL 1010 4,802]

My take on the programme situation is that the younger generation will not cough up £3.50p and take the time to thumb through it selecting what they want to read when all the information they require can be found on a phone at the press of a button at little or no cost.