Tzolis really does need to work on his aim..

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[The Real Buh 3,765]

“Nah, you’re alright mate..” 

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[canarybubbles 2,199]

Yes, Tzolis's last shot was so bad that it was almost comical. But in the short time he was on the pitch he set up Idah for a decent chance (the latter couldn't sort his feet out - quelle surprise) and had a shot cleared off the line. That's as much as Marquinhos managed in 90 minutes.

[Robert N. LiM 6,301]

2 hours ago, canarybubbles said:

Yes, Tzolis's last shot was so bad that it was almost comical. But in the short time he was on the pitch he set up Idah for a decent chance (the latter couldn't sort his feet out - quelle surprise) and had a shot cleared off the line. That's as much as Marquinhos managed in 90 minutes.

He's such a weird one, Tzolis. At times he looks like a competition winner, but he does make things happen. I still think he's worth persevering with.

[hogesar 10,770]

1 minute ago, Robert N. LiM said:

He's such a weird one, Tzolis. At times he looks like a competition winner, but he does make things happen. I still think he's worth persevering with.

* most of the time

[Mello Yello 2,572]

I like Tzolis....The lad's ring rusty and there is a more than a decent footballer in him....in my opinion....

[Google Bot 3,936]

Apparently he spotted a girl he liked in the south stand and this was a ploy to get her number.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

He threw the shirt at the young fan in the lower Barclay, and it landed in the Snake-pit...

Joking apart I think he'll come good.... 

[hogesar 10,770]

4 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Apparently he spotted a girl he liked in the south stand and this was a ploy to get her number.

Cheeky of him to try and do it a second time with that left-footed effort on the far post late on....

[Dr Greenthumb 794]

The lad could do with more than 8 minutes a game. Marquinhos isn’t setting the world alight, must be worth letting one of our own have a go.

[Capt. Pants 5,014]

1 hour ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

The lad could do with more than 8 minutes a game. Marquinhos isn’t setting the world alight, must be worth letting one of our own have a go.

Fair point. Maybe there would be less pressure on Tzolis if he were to start, whereas Onel seems to prefer coming off the bench. He sinks into the pitch after 60 mins.

Easy to say though as Wagner seems to be juggling balls to get us in the play-offs, which arguably is to the detriment of player development.

[canarydan23 4,762]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Fair point. Maybe there would be less pressure on Tzolis if he were to start, whereas Onel seems to prefer coming off the bench. He sinks into the pitch after 60 mins.

Easy to say though as Wagner seems to be juggling balls to get us in the play-offs, which arguably is to the detriment of player development.

But given how poor Marquinhos has been, playing Tzolis instead would probably improve us whilst giving minutes to one of our own to develop. Bizarre we keep persisting with him, unless it's another of these reducing loan fees based on games played. You'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson there.

[Dr Greenthumb 794]

34 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Fair point. Maybe there would be less pressure on Tzolis if he were to start, whereas Onel seems to prefer coming off the bench. He sinks into the pitch after 60 mins.

Easy to say though as Wagner seems to be juggling balls to get us in the play-offs, which arguably is to the detriment of player development.

Pace and power was something we identified we lacked two years ago and here we are two years later still missing that ingredient. Baffling.

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8 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Pace and power was something we identified we lacked two years ago and here we are two years later still missing that ingredient. Baffling.

I agree that pace and power were never going to be Tzolis's strengths. But that's hardly his fault, just as the fact that Sargent is not likely to ever fit naturally into a team that plays possession football on the ground is Sargent's fault. Webber's recruitment of the last two seasons suggests that he has no ability whatsoever to imagine how individual players might fit into an overall system, and as a consequence we have a squad which is a mish-mash and is almost impossible to combine into a functional unit. People might point to Buendia and Pukki as a counter-argument, but as the number of signings which haven't worked mounts up, I have personally come to the conclusion that this was pure luck.

Keep Webber as the money and contracts guy and the developer of club infrastructure by all means, but please let's hand over responsibility for player recruitment to someone with more experience of real football on grass.

[hogesar 10,770]

2 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

But given how poor Marquinhos has been, playing Tzolis instead would probably improve us whilst giving minutes to one of our own to develop. Bizarre we keep persisting with him, unless it's another of these reducing loan fees based on games played. You'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson there.

But Marquinhos is good defensively, with high work-rate and the ability to shield the ball. He hasn't delivered much offensively but neither has Tzolis. The difference being Tzolis looks shot after 30 minutes, tends to fall over easily, can't really defend and shoulders drop far too early into a game.

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27 minutes ago, hogesar said:

But Marquinhos is good defensively, with high work-rate and the ability to shield the ball. He hasn't delivered much offensively but neither has Tzolis. The difference being Tzolis looks shot after 30 minutes, tends to fall over easily, can't really defend and shoulders drop far too early into a game.

Is that a combined total for Tzolis, as he's hardly featured in a game for us for more than 30mins, which is a shame.

Hoping with all that's gone before Wagner is gently re-introducing him, whilst getting his fitness up. And that he'll play a far greater role for us next season. We could do worse than try him in No.10 role behind Sarg. And play him for more than a couple of mins, else it's a tremendous waste of another £9m

 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

But we didn't loan Marquinhos as a defender; we loaned him as an attacking winger. And almost any threat at all down that side of the pitch comes from Aarons, not him.

I understand that he may be adapting to English football. But he's an Arsenal player, so he can adapt at their expense, not ours. At the moment he looks inferior to Ramsey, who didn't exactly pull up any trees while he was here. Unless we have to fork out more money if he doesn't make the requisite number of appearances, I have no idea why we are playing him. And if this is the case, that's yet another failure on Webber's copybook.

[canarydan23 4,762]

42 minutes ago, hogesar said:

But Marquinhos is good defensively, with high work-rate and the ability to shield the ball. He hasn't delivered much offensively but neither has Tzolis. The difference being Tzolis looks shot after 30 minutes, tends to fall over easily, can't really defend and shoulders drop far too early into a game.

So Marquinhos was precisely not what we needed in a game like yesterday. As has been mentioned, Tzolis contributed more in 10 minutes offensively than Marquinhos did all game. Yes, he missed a sitter, but he got into a position to miss, something Marquinhos didn't manage.

Your half an hour quite is an odd one considering he's only played 30 consecutive minutes or more a whole once in a Norwich shirt. Didn't concede in that appearance either.

[Dr Greenthumb 794]

2 hours ago, canarybubbles said:

I agree that pace and power were never going to be Tzolis's strengths. But that's hardly his fault, just as the fact that Sargent is not likely to ever fit naturally into a team that plays possession football on the ground is Sargent's fault. Webber's recruitment of the last two seasons suggests that he has no ability whatsoever to imagine how individual players might fit into an overall system, and as a consequence we have a squad which is a mish-mash and is almost impossible to combine into a functional unit. People might point to Buendia and Pukki as a counter-argument, but as the number of signings which haven't worked mounts up, I have personally come to the conclusion that this was pure luck.

Keep Webber as the money and contracts guy and the developer of club infrastructure by all means, but please let's hand over responsibility for player recruitment to someone with more experience of real football on grass.

I don’t think Tzolis is a bad player and he could be the answer, but people criticising him for 8 minutes here and there haven’t got a clue! 
Sargent is better on his own and no matter how many times Wagner tries it, you cannot have him and Pukki up top. 
The recruitment is odd, but the club is a very hard sell in the premiership and whenever we go back to the championship, we seem to need to bargain hunt instantly.

[hogesar 10,770]

1 hour ago, canarydan23 said:

So Marquinhos was precisely not what we needed in a game like yesterday. As has been mentioned, Tzolis contributed more in 10 minutes offensively than Marquinhos did all game. Yes, he missed a sitter, but he got into a position to miss, something Marquinhos didn't manage.

Your half an hour quite is an odd one considering he's only played 30 consecutive minutes or more a whole once in a Norwich shirt. Didn't concede in that appearance either.

He started away against Stoke and could barely run after 30 minutes so just threw himself to the floor in hope instead. He played one good ball to Sargent early on - which people have praised whilst damning Idah who whilst on the left actually got an assist for Sara. And that's Idah out of position.

Marquinhos also had a decent effort saved, so his contribution was about as much as Tzolis going forwards, but also helped us win the ball back for other attacks.

Put it this way, if we offered Arsenal a swap deal, they take Tzolis and we take Marquinhos....I dont think they're saying yes.