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The EFL falls in line with PL.  As proven by attached Daily Telegraph article.  Need to be signed up to read whole article.  If anyone signed up can you advise what the rules are for homegrown players 8 in number is this for squad only or for the selected team squad as for the last time in the championship.  And do Under 21 players not count to the 25 as in PL.

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Championship clubs will be limited to 25 players under new rules which will ease over-spending in the English Football League. It is the first time clubs outside the top tier have agreed to set the squad limit, which also includes a minimum eight players needing to be 'home grown'.3 days ago

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41 minutes ago, pete said:

The EFL falls in line with PL.  As proven by attached Daily Telegraph article.  Need to be signed up to read whole article.  If anyone signed up can you advise what the rules are for homegrown players 8 in number is this for squad only or for the selected team squad as for the last time in the championship.  And do Under 21 players not count to the 25 as in PL.

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Championship clubs will be limited to 25 players under new rules which will ease over-spending in the English Football League. It is the first time clubs outside the top tier have agreed to set the squad limit, which also includes a minimum eight players needing to be 'home grown'.3 days ago

Exclusive: EFL to cap squad sizes to help ease financial pressure on clubs

The limits do not apply to cup competitions or apply to under-21s, unless they were signed on loan

By Tom Morgan, Sports News Correspondent 19 August 2020 • 9:30pm

Championship clubs will be limited to 25 players under new rules which will ease over-spending in the English Football League. It is the first time clubs outside the top tier have agreed to set the squad limit, which also includes a minimum eight players needing to be 'home grown'.

League One and League Two will be restricted even further, with a limit of 22 registered players agreed. Clubs also agreed to decrease the overall figure further to a maximum of 20 players in the lower tier in 2021/22.

The limits, which brings the Championship in line with Premier League rules, do not apply to cup competitions or include under-21s unless they were signed on loan.

An agreement was reached at a meeting between the clubs while the Premier League comes under pressure to provide more support to the entire footballing pyramid as clubs face potential extinction post-Covid-19.

Many Championship clubs have unwieldy squads as owners go for broke in attempting to get their teams promoted. Derby County last week received a £30 million injection borrowed against the club's assets from a New York investment bank belonging to American billionaire Michael Dell.

Telegraph Sport understands it is the second loan agreed with Derby chairman Mel Morris, who has been seeking additional funding for over two years.

He was previously in talks with Henry Gabay, a London-based businessman, but a deal has stalled due to a number of factors including the sacking of former club captain Richard Keogh and an English Football League charge against the club for breaking spending rules in January.

Derby are among many clubs on a financial knife-edge in the Championship post Covid-19 and the club’s willingness to take out a significant loan at commercial rates will prompt questions over how much spending power Morris still has personally.

The Premier League has already advanced £125 million to the EFL and National League during the coronavirus pandemic to ease the financial nightmare that clubs face. A new cash boost is currently being discussed.

It comes after MPs said the Premier League and English Football League must introduce a salary cap as part of a dramatic "reset". After hearing from leading figures across domestic sport, the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee warned Government that "the current football business model is not sustainable".

The big clubs, earning hundreds of millions in TV money, were singled out for particular criticism after MPs agreed with Rick Parry, the EFL chairman, who called for an "overdue and necessary" restructuring of football finances in England.

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We got some decent U21's - the squad is not reliant upon purely the 25 named players....

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As mentioned on the other thread this would benefit Norwich as the requirement to name 7 homegrown players in the match day squad is much more onerous than having a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players in a squad of 25. 

Seems crazy to introduce such a rule only a few weeks before the season starts - but the EFL isn’t known for its sensible decisions. 

A squad of 20 for League One and Two is ridiculous. Again it is just going to make the gap between League One and the Championship even greater. 

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To be honest I thought that had been the rule for a while... must have been getting confused if it was only in the prem!

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16 hours ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

As mentioned on the other thread this would benefit Norwich as the requirement to name 7 homegrown players in the match day squad is much more onerous than having a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players in a squad of 25. 

Seems crazy to introduce such a rule only a few weeks before the season starts - but the EFL isn’t known for its sensible decisions. 

A squad of 20 for League One and Two is ridiculous. Again it is just going to make the gap between League One and the Championship even greater. 

Agreed about the lower squad sizes in L1 and L2, especially given the number of games. It seems particularly ridiculous given the salary cap. Not sure how a limited squad size makes for more sustainability if wages are already restricted. Maybe on bonuses or insurance, but surely that's minimal?

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1 hour ago, 1902 said:

Agreed about the lower squad sizes in L1 and L2, especially given the number of games. It seems particularly ridiculous given the salary cap. Not sure how a limited squad size makes for more sustainability if wages are already restricted. Maybe on bonuses or insurance, but surely that's minimal?

I think that the main benefit of this will be encouraging teams to use youth, the only problem is that  this just means loads of players will drop out of the system at 22 instead of 18...

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7 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

I think that the main benefit of this will be encouraging teams to use youth, the only problem is that  this just means loads of players will drop out of the system at 22 instead of 18...

Very true, a far worse age to drop out of a career. Also might mean some youngsters are overplayed, leading to a higher chance of injuries.

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12 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

I think that the main benefit of this will be encouraging teams to use youth, the only problem is that  this just means loads of players will drop out of the system at 22 instead of 18...

And lots of substandard youth players will be held onto and used. Meaning the general quality of the league will be reduced and the step up to the Championship increased.

League One to the Championship is becoming a bigger step up than the Championship to the Premier League. 

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So in practice, these limits just apply to over-21 players, right?

If so, a maximum of 20 over-21s in Leagues One and Two isn't a disaster. I see Bethnal's concerns about substandard youth players widening the gap between the Championship and League One, but it does encourage youth development, sustainability and means that when in doubt, the youngster gets a chance over the experienced player.

I don't necessarily think it's a terrible idea. The Italian Serie B, for example, has had a similar rule in place for several years (maximum of 18 players aged over 23).

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19 hours ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

As mentioned on the other thread this would benefit Norwich as the requirement to name 7 homegrown players in the match day squad is much more onerous than having a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players in a squad of 25. 

Seems crazy to introduce such a rule only a few weeks before the season starts - but the EFL isn’t known for its sensible decisions. 

A squad of 20 for League One and Two is ridiculous. Again it is just going to make the gap between League One and the Championship even greater. 

Also bigger fan base teams getting relegated will lose an advantage and potentially find it harder to come back up?  All well and good stopping Clubs spending money they don't have , but Clubs with a bigger fan base are losing out in two ways now - one the salary cap and now this. A Club like ours falling back into Div 3 , with 20k season tickets pays the same wages as a team with 1500 Season tickets? 

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Thanks Fish,

Still confused does it mean must have 8 homegrown over 21 or can we use Under 21 as part of the 8 homegrown.  Do we have eight over 21?  Krul, Hanley, Cantwell, Lewis, Byram all 21+ maybe some forgotten but may need additional homegrown to comply if U 21's do not count.  Plenty of U 21's homegrown to choose from and many foreigners to meet 17 overseas quota and a number under 22.

But how many will go out on loan.

Any ideas?

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1 hour ago, pete said:

Thanks Fish,

Still confused does it mean must have 8 homegrown over 21 or can we use Under 21 as part of the 8 homegrown.  Do we have eight over 21?  Krul, Hanley, Cantwell, Lewis, Byram all 21+ maybe some forgotten but may need additional homegrown to comply if U 21's do not count.  Plenty of U 21's homegrown to choose from and many foreigners to meet 17 overseas quota and a number under 22.

But how many will go out on loan.

Any ideas?

Don’t have to have 8 homegrown players, but limited to 17 non-homegrown players. You could in theory have zero homegrown players but then you’d only be able to 17 players (over 21) in the squad. 

If Norwich want to they can register U21 players for the squad, but they just don’t need to. 

These are exactly the same rules as the Premier League. 

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1 hour ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Also bigger fan base teams getting relegated will lose an advantage and potentially find it harder to come back up?  All well and good stopping Clubs spending money they don't have , but Clubs with a bigger fan base are losing out in two ways now - one the salary cap and now this. A Club like ours falling back into Div 3 , with 20k season tickets pays the same wages as a team with 1500 Season tickets? 

Ridiculously the salary cap doesn’t fully apply to relegated teams. Upon relegation every player in the relegated teams squad is considered to be paid the league average salary for the remaining length of their contract.

So a team with a £70m wage budget could go down and be competing against teams with a £25m budget. 

 

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