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Meanwhile, back to the topic of Brexit, because this is the Brexit thread:

 

Statement by David Frost, London, Thur, 25 Jun 2020

“The next round of talks with the EU begins on Monday 29 June. This is the start of the intensified process. We have published the agenda.

“For the first time since March we will meet face to face, in Brussels. We look forward to welcoming the EU team to London the week after.

“These meetings will be smaller and focused on seeing whether we can begin to make genuine and rapid progress towards an agreement. We will go to Brussels in good faith to engage with the EU’s concerns.

“This needs to be a real negotiation and some of the EU’s unrealistic positions will have to change if we are to move forward. We have noted carefully what the EU has said in recent days on this subject and look forward to discussing it.

“UK sovereignty, over our laws, our courts, or our fishing waters, is of course not up for discussion 👍  Equally we do not seek anything which would undermine the integrity of the EU’s single market.

“Finally, I want to be clear that the Government will not agree to ideas like the one currently circulating giving the EU a new right to retaliate with tariffs if we chose to make laws suiting our interests. We could not leave ourselves open to such unforeseeable economic risk.” 👍

- David Frost, Chief Negotiator of the UK’s ‘Task Force Europe’, Thur, Jun 25 2020

 

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Posted (edited)

Wrong thread.

I will add that it is not up to Frosty. He'll get what he is given.

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5 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

As I said that was just a wind up ! Which I love to do to all you lot that call me names.

Oh the well rehearsed Donald Trump " the President was just joking" defense. Suggestion, when people already suspect you might be an idiot, it's best to keep your mouth shut or you risk confirming that suspicion. Alternatively, make a reasonable point that isn't immediately contradicted by readily available facts? We'd rather enjoy that discussion. 

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

Meanwhile, back to the topic of Brexit, because this is the Brexit thread:

 

Statement by David Frost, London, Thur, 25 Jun 2020

“The next round of talks with the EU begins on Monday 29 June. This is the start of the intensified process. We have published the agenda.

“For the first time since March we will meet face to face, in Brussels. We look forward to welcoming the EU team to London the week after.

“These meetings will be smaller and focused on seeing whether we can begin to make genuine and rapid progress towards an agreement. We will go to Brussels in good faith to engage with the EU’s concerns.

“This needs to be a real negotiation and some of the EU’s unrealistic positions will have to change if we are to move forward. We have noted carefully what the EU has said in recent days on this subject and look forward to discussing it.

“UK sovereignty, over our laws, our courts, or our fishing waters, is of course not up for discussion 👍  Equally we do not seek anything which would undermine the integrity of the EU’s single market.

“Finally, I want to be clear that the Government will not agree to ideas like the one currently circulating giving the EU a new right to retaliate with tariffs if we chose to make laws suiting our interests. We could not leave ourselves open to such unforeseeable economic risk.” 👍

- David Frost, Chief Negotiator of the UK’s ‘Task Force Europe’, Thur, Jun 25 2020

Oh dear where to begin with this nonsense.....

Talks. If the the next round only starts on Monday, you will be backing up "no extension" on June 31? Already decided wasn't it?

Single Market. Yeah, right like abolishing food standards or country of origin labels. That would not undermine the market at all.

Tariffs, well if you leave the Common Market then the EU has a right to impose tariffs doesn't it? You are no longer in the political or economic system, so you'll have to accept their terms for doing trade. If you pass laws designed to undermine the equality of labour and or environmental laws to gain a competitive edge, the EU is not allowed to do anything about that? Dream on David.

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

I'm glad you understand how it all works, Infants school  4-7 years getting a base in learning on most subjects. 

KS2 Science is Easy: BIOLOGY.: In-depth revision advice for ages 7 ...

thank you - that was my point

" getting a base in learning on most subjects. " is not as teaching them as subjects, nor 7-11 age either

you need a very good memory if you want to be a good liar

you have, and are, neither

 

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So has David Frost, recognizing that his negotiations with the EU are heading to certain failure leaned on Boris for this new position - maybe he can advise the PM what to do about the evidence that Trump and Putin are best buddies. Will he recommend releasing the Russia report in the interest of "transparency" ?

One of @BorisJohnson’s closest allies, David Frost - who has been negotiating the terms of UK’s future relationship with the EU - is to become National Security Adviser, in succession to Sir Mark Sedwill, who is standing down both as cabinet secretary and NSA. 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

He'll reject what he's given ! 

Which is why there is an impasse

The UK agreed to what they EI is sticking by in the Withdrawal Agreement, last autumn

To now try to weasel out of it by claiming it wasn't meant - it just some lies to get elected was always doomed to failure

If the UK wants access to the Single Market and be part of the Customs Union then it has to abide by their rules - as was pointed out back in 2016 when numpties like you were bleating about 'they need us...." They don't, as was pointed out.

So, as far as you are concerned it is about whether the UK sticks to its word - and how much you value principle.

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23 minutes ago, Surfer said:

maybe he can advise the PM what to do about the evidence that Trump and Putin are best buddies. Will he recommend releasing the Russia report in the interest of "transparency" ?

It's more likely Frost will advise Boris that it’s impossible to negotiate with the EU so best tell them to do one 🙃 

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23 minutes ago, Bill said:

So, as far as you are concerned it is about whether the UK sticks to its word - and how much you value principle.

Because the EU are highly principled 😀

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3 hours ago, Jools said:

Meanwhile, back to the topic of Brexit

“UK sovereignty, over our laws, our courts, or our fishing waters, is of course not up for discussion 👍  

- David Frost, Chief Negotiator of the UK’s ‘Task Force Europe’, Thur, Jun 25 2020

 

The TAC allocated to EU members is based largely on who was fishing where in the 70's

A significant part of the UK fleet wasn't operating in UK waters then, but instead were in the north atlantic trying to pinch someone else's fish

What is the fascination with the fishing industry?

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44 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

The TAC allocated to EU members is based largely on who was fishing where in the 70's

A significant part of the UK fleet wasn't operating in UK waters then, but instead were in the north atlantic trying to pinch someone else's fish

What is the fascination with the fishing industry?

That 0.1% of our annual GDP could make all the difference 🤣🤣🤣

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1 hour ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

What is the fascination with the fishing industry?

Best you put that question to the UK’s coastal communities who by taking back control of our resources will double the size of the fishing industry with an estimated worth of £2.7bn and some 30,000 jobs.

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3 hours ago, Bill said:

KS2 Science is Easy: BIOLOGY.: In-depth revision advice for ages 7 ...

thank you - that was my point

" getting a base in learning on most subjects. " is not as teaching them as subjects, nor 7-11 age either

you need a very good memory if you want to be a good liar

you have, and are, neither

 

Well tell me why every spring I'm asked for frog spawn from my pond so that the kids can watch them grown into frogs !

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And how are they going to do that? Start growing cod and tuna?

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4 minutes ago, Herman said:

And how are they going to do that? Start growing cod and tuna?

Think may be you should have had those lessons ! 

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26 minutes ago, Jools said:

Best you put that question to the UK’s coastal communities who by taking back control of our resources will double the size of the fishing industry with an estimated worth of £2.7bn and some 30,000 jobs.

Why were they not fishing UK waters as much in the 70's, then?

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19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Think may be you should have had those lessons ! 

Ok, explain how it is going to be done then.

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Some of the 'not too bright' brexiteers fired up by the Express bleat that the naughty EU are just being stubborn, whereas

''Brussels is calling on the UK to reveal its post-Brexit policy on state aid, saying that Britain's lack of a public plan for a domestic subsidy regime risks hampering the two sides' future relationship talks. Michel Barnier, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator has recently indicated his willingness to explore new solutions for ensuring that neither side can use subsidies to undermine the other's economies — a core part of the EU’s “level playing field” demands in trade talks.

Boris Johnson vowed in November that the UK will deviate from the EU by pursuing an independent state aid policy - in contrast to his predecessor Theresa May - but has since failed to set out how it would work. Brussels has warned that the lack of details from Britain on its future intentions will hobble attempts at crafting a compromise. Mr Barnier said last week that the UK “refuses so far to commit to a level playing field or to appropriate safeguards for our future relationship”.''

In fact

''Since taking office the government has not tabled legislation on state-aid policy or conducted a promised consultation with industry about what a UK subsidy regime should look like.'' (all quotes) Financial Times 7pm 28th June 2020

So if you are an Express reader, the EU is at fault because it is expecting the UK to honour it's side of the agreement. The EU is also to blame because the UK has not even had any consultation with UK industry about state aid, never mind presenting anything to the EU in that regard.

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20 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Why were they not fishing UK waters as much in the 70's, then?

Over the period of our membership, the UK catch declined from over 1.1 million tonnes a year to 700,000 -- Under the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) EU vessels now catch 650,000 tons of fish in UK waters while UK vessels catch only 90,000 tons in non-UK EU waters in return -- As a result, the UK is a net importer of fish each year, with a fish deficit of 300,000 tonnes -- This bleak picture however underplays the decline in the UK fishing fleet as many of the UK vessels are under foreign economic ownership and land their fish abroad – only 446,000 tones was actually landed in the UK.

This is economic madness for the UK. It is also an injustice, which many who voted Leave expect to see remedied when the UK leaves the EU, particularly in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, whose coastal waters contain such a high proportion of the UK’s fishing resources.

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42 minutes ago, Herman said:

And how are they going to do that? Start growing cod and tuna?

A future UK Fisheries Policy (UKFP) would prioritise conservation and the environment; restore the right for UK vessels to catch and land UK fish; implement new and far more sophisticated fisheries management, so that this important and valuable resource can be recovered and focus economic development in some of our most remote and overlooked coastal communities.

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As usual Fools posts up misrepresentations, without context or valid comparison.

No comment on how all catches were reduced due to restrictions across the board to protect stock

Nor that the responsibility for foreign ownership

"Many parts of the quota were sold by English fishermen in the 1990s when fishing rights were cut dramatically. Cod fishing, for instance, was almost entirely stopped for several years. "

Nor that fish are landed where there is suitable processing infrastructure, or the nearest market is

His is nothing more than the usual nonsense peddled to the thickos so as to over excite them whilst wallowing in a septic tank of their own stupidity.

An honest view of ownership

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

 

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10 minutes ago, Jools said:

A future UK Fisheries Policy (UKFP) would prioritise conservation and the environment; restore the right for UK vessels to catch and land UK fish; implement new and far more sophisticated fisheries management, so that this important and valuable resource can be recovered and focus economic development in some of our most remote and overlooked coastal communities.

All presided over by Farage who turned up once in forty meetings of the EU fisheries committee of which he was part 🤣

The rest is just worthless twaddle

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By 2021 the UK will be negotiating fishing rights as an independent coastal state and fully taking back control of our waters.

How in God's name could any Brit see that as a bad thing?

 

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24 minutes ago, Bill said:

All presided over by Farage who turned up once in forty meetings of the EU fisheries committee of which he was part 🤣

The rest is just worthless twaddle

Is that Sir Nigel of Farage after one meeting knowing exactly how the other 39 meetings would go? 😀

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36 minutes ago, Bill said:

Nor that the responsibility for foreign ownership

Ah, foreign ownership, Billock --- That's why the UK should have complete control of all fishing activity within our Exclusive Economic Zone -- Like other North Atlantic maritime states and depending on state of the marine environment and fish stocks, we should negotiate reciprocal access to non-UK vessels -- But any access granted must be temporary and without future obligation - Foreign vessels granted licences to catch fish in UK waters must comply with UKFP regulation and inspection, enforceable under UK law.

They must also land their fish at UK ports for processing and onward sale.

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