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13 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

9 million furloughed by the government, but you forgot civil servants, Armed  forces, Government employees which includes teachers firemen  Police NHS Staff and many others. You are about right as you were about Honda !

or what you said yesterday

"You have conveniently forgot keeping 3/4 of the nation in a job, whilst the lock down was on. "

 

now, any update on your lie that trade talks stop at the end of the months ?

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49 minutes ago, Bill said:

or what you said yesterday

"You have conveniently forgot keeping 3/4 of the nation in a job, whilst the lock down was on. "

 

now, any update on your lie that trade talks stop at the end of the months ?

it's you telling the lie I did not write they stop I wrote no extension!

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=18f21218-8bea-4e3d-ba92-b9ee6ba32f01

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Close to a million Pounds? Who on earth did they give the contract to - one of DC’s mates? The cost incorporates a new design - it’s essentially the same paint job as British Airways. Supporting British suppliers - what a few gallons of red, white and blue paint? And it retains  its military role - oh yeah it’s not an easily visible target now is it? 

An absolute scandal -  a corruption story virtually every day now.

(And no I don’t have a problem with a repaint) 

https://news.sky.com/story/new-pictures-show-boris-johnsons-plane-after-completion-of-900k-makeover-12014674

“ This will mean that the plane can better represent the UK around the world with national branding, similar to many other leaders' planes, while also retaining its military air-to-air refuelling capability," said the spokesman
 

"At every stage we have worked to ensure value for money for the UK taxpayer and all of the work has been undertaken in the UK, directly benefiting British suppliers."

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5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's you telling the lie I did not write they stop I wrote no extension!

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=18f21218-8bea-4e3d-ba92-b9ee6ba32f01

not sure what that jumble of words is, so have another go

meanwhile for the benefit of others, here is what MB said

"he's only got to stay there till the end of the month and there's no Extension to EU Trade talks. looks like your prediction will be wrong.  "

which I am sure everyone else will read... that as long as Johnson stays as PM until June 30th "there's no Extension to EU Trade talks."

which as I pointed out demonstrated that you do not understand this

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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

out of contents

stock taking the brain cells ?

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3 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

I'm going to get a bit nerdy here as facts count

I dont know if the £80million is true or  not.  Pretty easy sum to do if you know the floor space and the two rates though. Whatbis not true though is that he 'saved' that sum of money as the decision was quashed.  'Would have saved' is the better description

The second bit is incorrect.  The local authority have a target that says 30-35% of new housing should be affordable and anything at or over 35% is automatically accepted.  However, you can offer less if the economics at 35% wouldn't work.   The inspector who gave the recommendation to the SoS accepted 21% was an appropriate amount and in any event offers more housing of all types than a previously approved scheme. 

This doesnt mean that the SoS acted without bias but yo suggest that the decisio  allowed him to dodge affordable housing is wrong

 

This is the interview I heard today. Make of it what you will.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/jenricks-planning-controversy/

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even naughtier, they are requiring that the UK keeps to the agreements it made in the WA of 2019 - that allowed Johson to bleat out

Get it done

So fatso, get it done as you agreed

or own up.... it was all a lie

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3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Told you, it will be fine as long as it's clearly marked !

Really? Did you not read the comments or hear it on the radio by the Waitrose CEO? Well, if you did, maybe you know more than him.

But even then, I suspect maybe he knows a little more as a business leader.

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On 24/06/2020 at 12:15, BigFish said:

Well, for a start 3/4 is just a figure that you made up. 600,000 jobs have already gone and 9 million are on the job protection scheme. The cost for this means that government debt is higher than GDP. The economy meanwhile has shrunk by 25%. Many of those on the JPS could experience deferred redundancy in the Autumn ahead of the economic self harm of the end of the transition period. 65,000 people have lost their lives, Honda are closing and the best success you can come up with is the biggest borrowing splurge since WW2.

"Millions of furloughed workers face redundancy as many employers anticipate only half of their staff returning to work when the government's job retention scheme begins to wind down following the coronavirus lockdown."

"....while a quarter are likely to be kept on furlough as part of the extended scheme. The remaining quarter of furloughed staff could “well be made redundant”, warned the report by lender Marketfinance.

of course the numpties will bleat that this is all 'project fear' and that facts don't count for nothing - but those listed below are not minimum wage jobs in chin restaurants, or failing shop brands. these are the backbone of skilled workers - and no kow towing and forelock tugging will reverse these losses (so far)

Rolls-Royce - 9,000 jobs

The jet-engine manufacturer has confirmed that 3,000 job cuts, of a planned 9,000 worldwide, will be made in the UK. In May Rolls-Royce said it would make the first round of redundancies through a voluntary programme, with about 1,500 posts being lost at its headquarters in Derby, as well as 700 redundancies in Inchinnan, near Glasgow, another 200 at its Barnoldswick site in Lancashire, and 175 in Solihull, Warwickshire.

BP - 10,000 jobs

The oil company said in June it plans to make 10,000 people redundant worldwide, including an estimated 2,000 in the UK, by the end of the year. The BP chief executive, Bernard Looney, said that the majority of people affected would be those in office-based jobs, including at the most senior levels. BP said it would reduce the number of group leaders by a third, and protect the “frontline” of the company, in its operations.

Centrica - 5,000 jobs

The owner of British Gas announced in June that it intends to cut 5,000 jobs, mostly senior roles, and remove three layers of management, in a bid to simplify the structure of its business. The energy firm has a total workforce of 27,000, of whom 20,000 are in the UK.

Bentley - 1,000 jobs

The luxury carmaker intends to shrink its workforce by almost a quarter, slashing 1,000 roles through a voluntary redundancy scheme. The majority of Bentley’s 4,200 workers are based in Crewe in Cheshire.

Aston Martin Lagonda – 500 jobs

The Warwickshire-based luxury car manufacturer has announced 500 redundancies.

British Airways - 12,000 jobs

The UK flag carrier is holding consultations to make up to 12,000 of its staff redundant, a reduction of one in four jobs at the airline. BA intends to cut roles among its cabin crew, pilots and ground staff, while significantly reducing its operations at Gatwick airport.

Virgin Atlantic - 3,000-plus jobs

Richard Branson’s airline is to cut more than 3,000 jobs, more than a third of its workforce, and will shut its operations at Gatwick.

EasyJet – 4,500 jobs

The airline has announced plans to cut 4,500 employees, or 30% of its workforce.

Ryanair – 3,000 jobs

The Irish airline intends to slash 3,000 roles and reduce staff pay by up to a fifth.

Aer Lingus – 900 jobs

The Irish airline, part of International Airlines Group (IAG) plans to cut 900 jobs.

P&O Ferries – 1,100 jobs

The shipping firm intends to cut more than a quarter of its workforce, a loss of 1,100 jobs. The company, which operates passenger ferries between Dover and Calais, and across the Irish Sea, as well as Hull to Rotterdam and Zeebrugge, will initially offer employees voluntary redundancy.

JCB – 950 jobs

Digger maker JCB said in May up to 950 jobs are at risk after demand for its machines halved due to the coronavirus shutdown.

Ovo Energy – 2,600 jobs

Britain’s second biggest energy supplier announced in May it planned to cut 2,600 jobs and close offices after the lockdown saw more of its customer service move online.

Johnson Matthey – 2,500 jobs

The chemicals company said in June it is planning to make 2,500 redundancies worldwide over the next three years. The move will affect 17% of the workforce at the firm, which is a major supplier of material for catalytic converters.

Bombardier – 600 jobs

The Canadian plane maker will cut 600 jobs in Northern Ireland, as part of 2,500 redundancies announced in June.

The Restaurant Group – 1,500 jobs

The owner of Tex-Mex dining chain Chiquito, and other brands including Wagamama and Frankie & Benny’s, said in March that most branches of Chiquito and all 11 of its Food & Fuel pubs would not reopen after the lockdown, leading to the loss of 1,500 jobs.

Monsoon Accessorize – 345 jobs

The fashion brands were bought out of administration by their founder, Peter Simon, in June, in a deal which saw 35 stores close permanently and led to the loss of 545 jobs.

Clarks – 900 jobs

Clarks plans to cut 900 office jobs worldwide as part of a wider turnaround strategy

Oasis and Warehouse – 1,800 jobs

The fashion brands were bought out of administration by restructuring firm Hilco in April, in a deal which led to the permanently closure of all of their stores and the loss of more than 1,800 jobs.

Mulberry – 470 jobs

The luxury fashion and accessories brand said in June it is to cut 25% of its global workforce and has started a consultation with the 470 staff at risk.

Jaguar Land Rover – 1,100 jobs

The car firm is to cut 1,100 contract workers at manufacturing plants the UK, potentially affecting factories at Halewood on Merseyside and Solihull and Castle Bromwich in the West Midlands.

Travis Perkins – 2,500 jobs

The builders’ merchant is cutting 2,500 jobs in the UK, accounting for almost a 10th of its 30,000-strong workforce. The company, which is behind DIY retailer Wickes and Toolstation, said the job losses will affect staff in areas including distribution, administrative roles and sales. The move will also affect staff across 165 stores that are now earmarked for closure.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Cheers for that.   The councillor is wrong about the affordable housing point 

The bigger concerns remain though.

Can't believe he's still there, but then so is Cummings. Totally rotten.

As to a more local Jenrick decision; although I'm in favour of Anglia Square redevelopment what sort of unrelated donation to the conservatives do you think should be made ?

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4 hours ago, Surfer said:

“ This will mean that the plane can better represent the UK around the world with national branding, similar to many other leaders' planes, while also retaining its military air-to-air refuelling capability," said the spokesman

An Airbus A330, made in France.........at least the engines are British until Brexit closes the factories

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.... and I'm sure that is the one closing factor in any global trade deal - what is painted on the tail of a plane 🤣

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31 minutes ago, BigFish said:

An Airbus A330, made in France.........at least the engines are British until Brexit closes the factories

Yes, a sad irony that it was done on a plane that shows what can be achieved with cooperation between European nations.

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With all the money they spent they probably could have left that Airbus in military service and bought a new Boeing 737 Max.

Keep the Donald happy.... hands across the sea and all that guff. 

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39 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I notice Labour are in turmoil, but no one's writing about that.          LEFT LEFT LEFT ! 

That is Leadership, which is why you don't recognise it.

Much better to have your minister's in billionaire pornographers' pockets I suppose. Or advisors who think they are above the law. Much better to have a litany of failure and lies. You must be so proud.

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6 hours ago, Bill said:

not sure what that jumble of words is, so have another go

meanwhile for the benefit of others, here is what MB said

"he's only got to stay there till the end of the month and there's no Extension to EU Trade talks. looks like your prediction will be wrong.  "

which I am sure everyone else will read... that as long as Johnson stays as PM until June 30th "there's no Extension to EU Trade talks."

which as I pointed out demonstrated that you do not understand this

can the man with the brain of a mouse defend his earlier lie ?

or will we see the Pope in a contraceptive advert first ?

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Posted (edited)

"he's only got to stay there till the end of the month and there's no Extension to EU Trade talks. looks like your prediction will be wrong.  "

Edited by SwindonCanary

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end of the month is June 30th, so after that date....there's no Extension to EU Trade talks.

is that correct ?

because in the real world the talks can continue right up the 31st December, irrespective of what happens on June 30th

 

ps asking a question is not a prediction

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oh dear, poor mouse brain

as clueless as ever

you are confusing transition period, with talks, as in your words "there's no Extension to EU Trade talks"

and that extension to the transition period CAN be agreed

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9 hours ago, Jools said:

Regarding the virus and consequent lockdown, what do you think Labour would've done differently?

Couldn't come up with an answer, smallfry?

Well, let's put a little perspective on proceedings --- Furlough is currently costing the government £14 billion per month, so if it continues at the same rate until say, October, the cost would be around £69 billion in total.

Back in 2008, the Labour Party spent £500 billion bailing out the banks...

 

NEXT !

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Posted (edited)

And saved the economy in doing so - and then did they eventually get the loaned money back? 

As for what Labour would have done differently to the Tories around this crisis. I suspect they would have done something similar to France and Germany, and focused financial relief to the workers rather than hedge funds and banks. 

Worked with their European colleagues to create a Europe wide set of policies and have a fully operational track and trace system in place. 

And a PM who publicly gives a da*n and isn’t kowtowing to dictators around the world .... other than that about the same probably. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, Bill said:

oh dear, smart brain

as clueless as ever

you are confusing transition period, with talks, as in your words "there's no Extension to EU Trade talks"

and that extension to the transition period CAN be agreed

How can you be so wrong ?

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9 hours ago, BigFish said:

That is Leadership, which is why you don't recognise it.

Much better to have your minister's in billionaire pornographers' pockets I suppose. Or advisors who think they are above the law. Much better to have a litany of failure and lies. You must be so proud.

That's great management !

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/keir-starmer-to-meet-leftwing-mp-group-amid-fury-over-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-sacking-of-rebecca-longbailey

 

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Zero tolerance. Sets out his stall straight away. I like it. 

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9 hours ago, Jools said:

Couldn't come up with an answer, smallfry?

Well, let's put a little perspective on proceedings --- Furlough is currently costing the government £14 billion per month, so if it continues at the same rate until say, October, the cost would be around £69 billion in total.

Back in 2008, the Labour Party spent £500 billion bailing out the banks...

Frankly, I was ignoring a rather deparate piece of whataboutery. The UK has 65,000 dead, tens of thousands of these are Johnson's direct directly responsibility. The UK is also facing the deepest depression in the OECD. The neo-liberal economic model has completely failed to deal with this, so much so that even you are lauding £14 billion a month of extra benefits payment. Sunak is seen as the great saviour even though his bank lending scheme failed and more than 1 million people are not getting support. The Universal Credit uplift does not even restore Osbourne's cuts. On top of this Sunak has no plan that would allow him to phase out the furlough scheme without pushing unemployment above 4 million. The Conservatives are now seen to have failed to "mend the roof while the sun is shining" with a result that the economy is on its knees.

Your response........what about them, what would they do, nothing to see here

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