The Positive Brexit Thread

[paul moy 235]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Whilst we ignore SAGE and leave our borders open.

They have never said our scientists are useless, you can’t help yourself can you.

We are trying to at least let some business go on.....

[paul moy 235]

On 02/02/2021 at 11:52, Van wink said:

We could have remained in the single market and toughened up on the implementation of worker registration, sending back those that don't find work etc, the sort of thing that other EU members do, maybe with some additional controls to be sold as a big win. There could have been a package, a soft Brexit. But hey ho!

Would still be costing us billions...... not worth it as the EU would continue to suck us dry, we could not have regained fishing ,  would still be paying child benefit for foreign children not in the uk, and could not make our own trade deals, we'd be open to EU debt when it eventually fails and we would be reliant on their brilliant vaccination program...LOL...... the list goes on....and on....... 😎

[Herman 9,851]

Does someone want to inform Mad Moyo about the fishing industry? 

[Well b back 3,301]

2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Would still be costing us billions...... not worth it as the EU would continue to suck us dry, we could not have regained fishing ,  would still be paying child benefit for foreign children not in the uk, and could not make our own trade deals, we'd be open to EU debt when it eventually fails and we would be reliant on their brilliant vaccination program...LOL...... the list goes on....and on....... 😎

Your nose has just grown another inch.

If we have billions more where is the £350 million a week for the NHS.

[Herman 9,851]

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

57 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Your nose has just grown another inch.

If we have billions more where is the £350 million a week for the NHS.

Ah. Its all Gordon Brown's fault.

[horsefly 4,318]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has suggested to the House of Commons he could invoke Article 16  "to ensure that there is no barrier down the Irish Sea” after Brexit.

Speaking at Prime Minister's Questions, DUP MP Ian Paisley said people in Northern Ireland were being made to “feel like foreigners in our own country” by post-Brexit rules.

You lot just don't get it do you. We left the EU, the single market, and the customs union. That means we are trading with the EU under third country status, and as two different markets. That means there have to be extensive border controls with all the bureaucracy that entails. A free trade agreement doesn't get round this problem, only belonging to to the SM can do that. If Johnson does the stupid thing and invokes article 16 then the border controls will shift from the Irish sea to the border bewteen Ireland and Northern Ireland. That would definitely breach the Good Friday Agreement. The political fallout from doing this would be even worse than what we are experiencing now. It would certainly lead to us becoming a pariah nation in the eyes of other nations, most obviously the EU countries and the USA. To do this would be foolish almost beyond belief, but sadly doing stupid things is the hallmark of Brexiteers and the sh*it-storm they have unleashed upon the country.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 hours ago, paul moy said:

The EU have been applying rules by the letter for us, so let's let them have us do it to them to.....  TOUCHE !!!! 🤗

Exactly. The shambolic EU opened up a can of worms last week when they announced Art. 16 would be imposed in Ireland because it meant that the GFA meant nothing at all to the EU. So if the GFA means nothing to the EU, there is no reason for the UK to adhere to the rules when the other side doesn't intend to. And we don't even need to ask what the Irish themselves think because the EU didn't even bother to ask the EU what the Irish thought. The EU went ahead, treating Ireland as though it was some outer colony of the EU empire. 

So two can play at that little game, and if Johnson and Gove threaten to impose Art. 16 and screw the Irish in the process then the EU will have to pay the price for their misjudgement. It's good to see the UK has some very good constitutional lawyers and know how to use them. But when you're up against "Broomstick" Ursula, it isn't that difficult.😂

[horsefly 4,318]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Exactly. The shambolic EU opened up a can of worms last week when they announced Art. 16 would be imposed in Ireland because it meant that the GFA meant nothing at all to the EU. So if the GFA means nothing to the EU, there is no reason for the UK to adhere to the rules when the other side doesn't intend to. And we don't even need to ask what the Irish themselves think because the EU didn't even bother to ask the EU what the Irish thought. The EU went ahead, treating Ireland as though it was some outer colony of the EU empire. 

So two can play at that little game, and if Johnson and Gove threaten to impose Art. 16 and screw the Irish in the process then the EU will have to pay the price for their misjudgement. It's good to see the UK has some very good constitutional lawyers and know how to use them. But when you're up against "Broomstick" Ursula, it isn't that difficult.😂

Oh dear! They didn't do it you idiot.

[A Load of Squit 5,229]

4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Exactly. The shambolic EU opened up a can of worms last week when they announced Art. 16 would be imposed in Ireland because it meant that the GFA meant nothing at all to the EU. So if the GFA means nothing to the EU, there is no reason for the UK to adhere to the rules when the other side doesn't intend to. And we don't even need to ask what the Irish themselves think because the EU didn't even bother to ask the EU what the Irish thought. The EU went ahead, treating Ireland as though it was some outer colony of the EU empire. 

So two can play at that little game, and if Johnson and Gove threaten to impose Art. 16 and screw the Irish in the process then the EU will have to pay the price for their misjudgement. It's good to see the UK has some very good constitutional lawyers and know how to use them. But when you're up against "Broomstick" Ursula, it isn't that difficult.😂

Aricle 16 is the 'rules'. You are an idiot.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

On 02/02/2021 at 09:43, Icecream Snow said:

Interesting interview with Phil Hammond about Theresa May's lack of substance behind her Brexit policies

 

Dear old Spreadsheet Phil, the man with the razor sharp intellect beating down on his former boss. It's amazing how quickly we have forgotten about both of them. It's also quite frightening to remember that these two buffoons were once in charge of our country. Still it's good to be reminded of the bullet we dodged had these two succeeded in sinking Brexit.

In his interview Phil the Man tells us he 'wanted a very close associated orbit with the EU' in which Brussels made the rules and we followed them.

Just imagine how the Covid vaccine rollout would have gone in this country had we been outside the EU but taking their rules. We'd be back of the queue still waiting for some vaccine had Theresa May and Philip Hammond succeeded in making a Brexit deal on the EU terms.

What did Hammond want - Single Market - check, Customs Union - check, EJC - check. Immigration rules he describe as 'dogmatic' meaning we would not have control of our borders. 

Even a certain loon on this forum understands you cant be half in and half out of the EU, but that's exactly what Hammond and May were trying to do - keep us 'de facto' in the European Union in much the same way you keep a dog on a chain your back yard. Thank God the people of this country weren't fooled by this nonsense.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

22 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! They didn't do it you idiot.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

20 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Aricle 16 is the 'rules'. You are an idiot.

 

And??

[Herman 9,851]

You could try reading the interview.

[paul moy 235]

Just now, Herman said:

You could try reading the interview.

They implemented it for five hours before backtracking......plonker  😂

[Herman 9,851]

3 minutes ago, paul moy said:

They implemented it for five hours before backtracking......plonker  😂

I was talking about the Hammond interview. Feckin eejit.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Herman

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,199]

3 hours ago, paul moy said:

Go and live in your beloved EU where there were at least 4,313 covid deaths yesterday (as some countries such as Germany undercount) , and good luck with getting vaccinated there !!  🤣😝

I'm sure you must have noticed that Freedom of Movement has ended 😉

Here's some positive Brexit news though. Leaving the EU gave me the impetus to use my right to FoM to somewhere I enjoy living 🙂

Not that I don't love England, but it's nice to experience living somewhere else for a while. 

[horsefly 4,318]

1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Not at all! I fully remember reading your post describing Epstein's child rape victims as "well paid prostitues". I take it you comprehended exactly what you were writing but wrote it nonetheless.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

25 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Aricle 16 is the 'rules'. You are an idiot.

 

Perhaps you don't understand what Art.  16 does, so for you benefit:

What is distinct about Article 16 is that it permits the UK and the EU to act unilaterally if the application of the Protocol is leading to ‘economic, societal or environmental difficulties’. These difficulties must be both ‘serious’ and ‘liable to persist’. 

So both parties can enact Art. 16 if they believe the conditions have been triggered.

Last week, the international community was horrified that the EU would create a border in Ireland as it would be in breach of the GFA - which during the withdrawal negotiations were held to be sacrosanct by all sides.

The EU showed it was more important to stop the UK getting vaccines than to honour the GFA.  This is what you voted for when you voted to Remain.

But what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If the EU doesn't care about the GFA, then there is no reason for the UK to honour it.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

12 minutes ago, Herman said:

You could try reading the interview.

reading it?? I quoted from it.

[horsefly 4,318]

10 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

But what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If the EU doesn't care about the GFA, then there is no reason for the UK to honour it.

Contemptible! 3500 people died as a result of the "troubles". And all you can think to write is this, so utterly childish.

And for your information the GFA is an agreement berwteen Ireland and the United Kingdom. Not the EU, Idiot.

Edited February 3, 2021 by horsefly

[SwindonCanary 455]

https://youtu.be/5lBd7R18WGU

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

Contemptible! 3500 people died as a result of the "troubles". And all you can think to write is this, so utterly childish.

So go have a word with "Broomstick" Ursula, the lady responsible for creating this mess in the first place. To think that someone so incompetent - and elected from a list of one - could have such absolute power over the European continent.

[paul moy 235]

2 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

The reality is that, as always, Johnson's lies have caught up with him. He claimed there would be no checks or impediments to trade either way between Northern Ireland and Britain. Just not true. So the anger (some real, some fake) over the side issue of the EU protocol move is being attached to the real problem, that the NI economy is being scr*wed by what Johnson signed up for.

Oh the irony.  Starmer got caught out lying to Parliament in Prime Minister's Questions today when Boris accused him of wanting to remain in the EMA.  He had to later apologise for his lies :

 

[paul moy 235]

6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Contemptible! 3500 people died as a result of the "troubles". And all you can think to write is this, so utterly childish.

RTB is correct.  The only reason the EU were ever interested was in order to thwart Brexit.

[paul moy 235]

They were known as Liebore for a reason , and nothing changes :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9219429/Furious-Keir-Starmer-confronts-Boris-Johnson-PMQs.html

[BigFish 1,988]

 

5 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Oh the irony.  Starmer got caught out lying to Parliament in Prime Minister's Questions today when Boris accused him of wanting to remain in the EMA.  He had to later apologise for his lies :

In fact this rather proves the opposite to what you imply @paul moy. Starmer made a mistake and within hours clarified and apologised. The brexiteers, Johnson and you just continue to double down on the lies long after any shred of you integrity has long gone.

Well done SKS, he set a principled example.

Edited February 3, 2021 by BigFish

[horsefly 4,318]

3 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Oh the irony.  Starmer got caught out lying to Parliament in Prime Minister's Questions today when Boris accused him of wanting to remain in the EMA.  He had to later apologise for his lies :

 

Here's what Thatcherite right-wing writer for the Spectator Peter Oborne said about Boris Johnson in his book on Political lying, "The Assault on Truth":

 “I have been a political reporter for almost three decades,” I have never encountered a senior British politician who lies and fabricates so regularly, so shamelessly and so systematically as Boris Johnson.”

[Well b back 3,301]

As Mad Moy wants to bring up news from 2017 let’s have some more recent from March 2020, when Johnson like Trump told us all there was nothing to worry about Coronavirus was nothing. I have just been on a Coronavirus ward he said and no one will stop me shaking their hands. 

Number 10 has defended Boris Johnson for boasting of shaking hands with “everybody” at a hospital on the same day the Government’s scientific advisers recommended an end to the greeting.

A newly-published document by the Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B), a sub-group of the Sage advisory panel, reveals officials agreed to “advise against” hand shakes on 3 March.

That was the same day the Prime Minister told a Downing Street press conference: "I was at a hospital the other night where I think a few there were actually coronavirus patients.

"And I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands."

The SPI-B note said: "There was agreement that Government should advise against greetings such as shaking hands and hugging, given existing evidence about the importance of hand hygiene.

 

[Herman 9,851]