Football matches an easy target?

[ricardo 7,395]

[quote user="Herman "]What Corbyn desperately needs is a media manager/coach. Not a lot of what he says is wrong but is said badly. He''s making it far too easy for the media to twist and far too easy for the headline readers to misinterpret. Wise up Jeremy or Ricardo will be right.

Good post btw Vanwink.[/quote]Corbyns problem is his pacifism. That my very well be a laudable and principled position to take as an individual but it becomes fraut with difficult for anyone seeking to be PM. His first duty should always be the safety of his own citizens. ISIS are not going to sit down and discuss these matters over a nice cup of tea in Downing St.

[mrs miggins 0]

I also think the problem is misinformation as well. There are members of the public who think Corbyn wants to talk to ISIS. Even he realises that they cannot be reasoned with which is why when he says he thinks a political solution is the way forward, he is talking about governments talking to each other.

[mrs miggins 0]

(though I would suggest this isn''t the fault of the general public but mostly Corbyn himself once again)

[JF 694]

Was just in tears reading the open letter to Isis from the husband whose wife was murdered. Heartbreaking, I don''t think I could have said that.

[hogesar 9,717]

Corbyn is essentially a Hippy.

And I hate Hippies.

[Van wink 2,994]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-attacks-video-shows-inside-6846359#rlabs=2%20rt$category%20p$2

Looks like the vermin needed to shoot themselves full of drugs before committing the atrocity, what pathetic specimens they are.

[mrs miggins 0]

hogesar wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 3:53 PM:

Corbyn is essentially a Hippy.

And I hate Hippies.

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What about toffs pretending to be Tony Bair?

[mrs miggins 0]

(though I don''t know who Tony Bair is, Tony Blair was what I was going for)

[hogesar 9,717]

[quote user="mrs miggins"]hogesar wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 3:53 PM:

Corbyn is essentially a Hippy.

And I hate Hippies.

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What about toffs pretending to be Tony Bair?[/quote]

Don''t worry miggins, there''s enough hate to go round.

[mrs miggins 0]

Thats alright then. :)

Stick it on the bill.

[Katie Borkins 1]

Unconfirmed reports that an ambulance packed with explosives has been found outside the Hannover stadium where Germany were due to play Holland - the game abandoned 2 hrs ago.

[Van wink 2,994]

It''s horrific

[ricardo 7,395]

[quote user="Bor"]Unconfirmed reports that an ambulance packed with explosives has been found outside the Hannover stadium where Germany were due to play Holland - the game abandoned 2 hrs ago.

[/quote]Seems to have morphed from being a suitcase.

[mrs miggins 0]

"There was a device intended to be detonated inside the stadium." Chief Of Police

[Van wink 2,994]

Mixed reports it seems, the mirror says an ambulance full of explosives, another report said suitcase.

Who knows

Anyway good to see a resounding rendition of the French Anthem

[grefstad 0]

Angela Merkel was due in the stadium.

Looks like football matches are being targeted when state leaders are present. Same with Hollandes in the France-Germany game.

But when the goal is to strike fear, it could just as well be a 4th division match in Ireland. It will still get attention, and strike fear.

I think football matches, and also other gatherings like concert scenes, theatres or similar are obvious targets for terrorists.

[ricardo 7,395]

[quote user="Vanwink"]Mixed reports it seems, the mirror says an ambulance full of explosives, another report said suitcase.

Who knows

Anyway good to see a resounding rendition of the French Anthem[/quote]Rumour and panic, just what ISIS had bargained for.This is going to be a very long and very expensive job.

[Van wink 2,994]

Good to see Russians and French working together as allies to coordinate attacks on ISIS.

Unexpected consequences.

[Katie Borkins 1]

The question however is how we weed out the "enemy within". We can bomb ISIL back to the Stone Age and yet the majority of the killers and organisers of the Paris killings were naturalised or native French and Belgians. The 7/7 bombers were British. The war is as much within our own borders as without.

[Van wink 2,994]

Start by removing citizenship from the jihadists returning from fighting with ISIS, like they are doing in OZ

[Van wink 2,994]

ricardo wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 8:05 PM:

Vanwink wrote:

Mixed reports it seems, the mirror says an ambulance full of explosives, another report said suitcase. Who knows Anyway good to see a resounding rendition of the French Anthem

Rumour and panic, just what ISIS had bargained for.

This is going to be a very long and very expensive job.

The theory goes that the suitcase was due to explode inside the ground, the ambulance full of explosives was to rush into the stadium to assist and then be detonated.

Is this true?

[ricardo 7,395]

[quote user="Vanwink"]ricardo wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 8:05 PM:

Vanwink wrote:

Mixed reports it seems, the mirror says an ambulance full of explosives, another report said suitcase. Who knows Anyway good to see a resounding rendition of the French Anthem

Rumour and panic, just what ISIS had bargained for.

This is going to be a very long and very expensive job.

The theory goes that the suitcase was due to explode inside the ground, the ambulance full of explosives was to rush into the stadium to assist and then be detonated.

Is this true?[/quote]No idea but an example of how rumour propagates to cause panic. Best wait until the full facts emerge.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

Indeed

[ricardo 7,395]

[quote user="Bor"]The question however is how we weed out the "enemy within". We can bomb ISIL back to the Stone Age and yet the majority of the killers and organisers of the Paris killings were naturalised or native French and Belgians. The 7/7 bombers were British. The war is as much within our own borders as without.[/quote]We might start with being humble enough to admit to ourselves that allowing in tens of thousands without any attempt to integrate them into western values was not a very good idea. However it''s far too late for that now and we have to move on from where we are now and not where we would like to be.After that failure a lot of expensive remedial work becomes necessary.

[Van wink 2,994]

ricardo wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 8:39 PM:

Vanwink wrote:

ricardo wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 8:05 PM: Vanwink wrote: Mixed reports it seems, the mirror says an ambulance full of explosives, another report said suitcase. Who knows Anyway good to see a resounding rendition of the French Anthem Rumour and panic, just what ISIS had bargained for. This is going to be a very long and very expensive job. The theory goes that the suitcase was due to explode inside the ground, the ambulance full of explosives was to rush into the stadium to assist and then be detonated. Is this true?

No idea but an example of how rumour propagates to cause panic. Best wait until the full facts emerge.

You''re right of course, interesting to see how these things develop on social media.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="Bor"]The question however is how we weed out the "enemy within". We can bomb ISIL back to the Stone Age and yet the majority of the killers and organisers of the Paris killings were naturalised or native French and Belgians. The 7/7 bombers were British. The war is as much within our own borders as without.[/quote]Regulate our mosques and Imans, work with the decent muslim community and get their support to oust these nutters. For people to stop shouting racist when somebody points out there is a serious issue with Islam. In Turkey tonight the minutes silence was booed by half the stadium who started chanting "Allah Akhbar" (god is great), this is a muslim country within Europe, the problem is huge.

[Herman 9,817]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="Bor"]The question however is how we weed out the "enemy within". We can bomb ISIL back to the Stone Age and yet the majority of the killers and organisers of the Paris killings were naturalised or native French and Belgians. The 7/7 bombers were British. The war is as much within our own borders as without.[/quote]Regulate our mosques and Imans, work with the decent muslim community and get their support to oust these nutters. For people to stop shouting racist when somebody points out there is a serious issue with Islam. In Turkey tonight the minutes silence was booed by half the stadium who started chanting "Allah Akhbar" (god is great), this is a muslim country within Europe, the problem is huge.[/quote]As has been pointed out regularly on this thread, there is a problem with a part of Islam and the Muslim community, not all of it. Similar to when the IRA were in action, there was a problem with a section of the Catholic community, but not all of it. Also only a small part of Turkey is technically within Europe.

[ricardo 7,395]

No explosives

No artests

The power of rumour

[Van wink 2,994]

ricardo wrote the following post at 17/11/2015 10:16 PM:

No explosives

No artests

The power of rumour

Interesting to see the way the story developed, all stemmed from one report I believe. Worrying the way mainstream media pick up on and report on twitter rumours giving them at least an apparant air of legitimacy.

There are still some suggesting that there has been a cover up to prevent further spread of hysteria.

[ricardo 7,395]

arrests