daniel_grieff

I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses for another man's failure, but I don't see any managerial comparison as relevant, when talking about PL record. The PL has been getting progressively further apart from the Championship since it began, and that trend has only accelerated in recent years. Managers like Lambert, Hughton and (albeit for a different club) Wagner might not be capable of setting up teams that can avoid relegation in today's PL. The spending power of even a middling PL club is frightening and even if you reach into your pockets, the recruitment needs to be spot on. I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't last year's promoted teams that end up getting relegated this year. I'm only posting this to say that while looking at the PL stats makes it look like Farke was our "worst PL manager", I don't see what any human alive could have done differently with those 2 PL squads he had. We'll never know, but I wonder what those other names from the list would have done about Billy Gilmour, Milot Rashica, Duda, etc.

Sainz arrived with something of a reputation for being that kind of player. I think it was on the pinkun that they got an expert on Turkish football to talk about him. I do agree with you, there does need to be more trust in decisions and processes, but it's hard to buy into it when we've seen just how bad things have been this season. It wasn't that long ago that we had relegation form and one of the worst results in the club's history, it might take a bit longer to get everybody on board.

Well, I think it has something to do with the approach that Webber took, roundabout (but not exactly at) the time he decided to sack Farke: The abandoning of the 'model' that got the club promoted twice, appointment of a coach that didnt seem to fit the remit. Sticking with the coach even though the fans had turned against him ages ago and results were bad. "divorcees in the snakepit" / ain't no mountain high enough, etc. Appointing his mate as the new manager, who then presides over a run that's just as bad as anything his predecessor served up The club parachute in a replacement for Webber earlier than expected, because the stadium atmosphere has turned toxic and Webber won't sack his old mate. Successor refuses to take any action over erratic head coach, "needs time". "20%" Dissenters get told to stay at home Season ticket prices increase To be honest, there's probably even more than that, and certainly more detail than I could write. I'm a bit surprised you haven't noticed this yourself, but you said you were asking genuinely, so I've taken the time to outline why I think people feel this way.

Connor deserves a lot of respect for how he's tried to cover this season objectively and with as much balance as possible. To be honest, the club would be better off paying attention to what he (and other journalists) say, because they seem to be much too confident in their own collective judgement. These are people whose lives basically revolve around the club, they watch every minute of every game. The way Webber reacted to the apparent criticism just goes to show what a fragile ego that man has.

I think this is an important point. To be honest, I think it was the only reason that Smith got sacked. Not because Webber could recognize that the football was never going to get better, but because he accepted that the mood in the stands was never going to get better. I think this situation is heading in the same direction. You wont be able to sell tickets, or sell the club to prospective signings. The thing is, though, what do you expect people to do? If they think he's useless, should they just sit on it, for the greater good? That's a level of self-awareness that most football fans (or people in general) just dont have. We're always going to react emotionally, after all, the choice to support a club isnt exactly a logical one.

I thought Ashton was pretty good on co-comms. He was realistic and honest in his assessments, it was refreshing to hear.

You could blame society, and social media for it, but the feeling last night (especially when the subs were made) was just oh no, theyre doing it again. At least, thats how I felt.

You could argue that we've got into this absurd situation of the crown booing at inappropriate moments because the manager should have been sacked months ago. The situation stinks, in so many ways. The home form has been pretty good, but some of the fans there last night were also at QPR. And, more to the point, Watford away. I wouldnt boo a substitution, I don't think it helps and I dont think the players need it. But I totally share the frustration that many people at the ground have. Even with good results, like last night, it still doesnt nearly balance out just how awful we've been for most of the season. And last season, too.

That spell from 2-0 up, to 2-2 was (almost) as bad as it's been this season. I don't know how to feel encouraged by this win, to be honest.

These days, I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

We're actually quite good, on the front foot

IDK, two bang average, inconsistent teams.

Not one shot this half.

No point cheering too hard for a lead you know is just going to be pissed away. Like this.

This is so bad, in so many ways. Sarge off? Seriously.