Cobain18

[quote user="HOCKEYMYHERO"] In no way can the fans of our great club be blamed in any way or associated with the chants of some Chelsea morons  , as i stated at the start i backed Glenn while he controlled the reins here but still cannot condone the very poor attitude he gave to true football fans who only cared for the well being   THEIR  club  .   [/quote]   Agreed, our fans cannot be  blamed for that but it is perhaps understandable if you put yourself in his position, why after that he may have a negative view of football fans

[quote user="GJP"] I think it''s been fairly obvious this season that Lee Croft is our best option for the right wing by a long way. He regularly delivers good balls into the box. Plus his all around play is terrific. Replacing him with David Bell, who offers little but a decent cross in every 3 or 4, would be a step backwards.   [/quote] Delivers good balls into the box? When? He never beats his first man! Just take a count of his crosses next match that go straight to the oppostion or don''t beat the first man. I have done it and it''s painful!!! Bell has a much much much better delivery!! Not only that Bell is always put on left wing when he is right footed, meaning he has to cut back before crossing so obviousy some of his crosses will not hit the target; despite this he still puts better crosses in from LW than Croft from RW. Bell would and did in his first couple of games provide assists from crosses; Croft won''t!!!   His all round play consists of running into an opposition player of mis placing passes. He''s quick and tries hard which is why people like him!

I would point out that Roeder''s hatred for football fans may have something to do with Chelsea fans chanting "You should have died from a tumour" at him. I just think that after that it may be difficult to show any affection for football fans again! I know that was only the minority''s opinion but it is bound to effect you if that is chanted at you!

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="Cobain18"] Croft tries very hard but struggles to find a player in yellow with his passes, always hits the first man on crosses, runs the ball into dead ends and is generally wasteful. WBA can have him for £500.000. Can we please start playing Bell (who can deliver a good ball) in his position (right wing). People complain when he doesn''t play as well as expected, yet he plays the majority of his games left wing which is not his position.   Redknapp once said part of his success was down to playing players in their positions and said you would be amazed how many managers play players out of position. Bell is a prime example and I honestly believe would be a better option than Croft. This is not a dig at Croft because he gives everything to the cause; I just don''t think he''s a vital as people make out. He''s scored 2 very good goals this season but does not score enough for me either. I would like to keep him in our squad but if we are being offered 500.000 for him then please take it! [/quote]   yeah if bells long term future is here then i would probally sell croft for 500k, however only if all the money is put in the transfer kitty, so knowing our board it wont so i say offer him a two year deal and keep him [/quote]   I think Bell would be a lot happier at Norwich if he was getting games in his position and not out of position. You may be right about the board not putting the money in the transfer kitty. Either way I would prefer to see Bell start on right wing and Croft coming on (he may be more effective as an impact sub), although his poor delivery wouldn''t change, he may be more effective as a fresh pair of legs against the opposition on about 70 mins (maybe I''m just clutching at straws though). 

Croft tries very hard but struggles to find a player in yellow with his passes, always hits the first man on crosses, runs the ball into dead ends and is generally wasteful. WBA can have him for £500.000. Can we please start playing Bell (who can deliver a good ball) in his position (right wing). People complain when he doesn''t play as well as expected, yet he plays the majority of his games left wing which is not his position.   Redknapp once said part of his success was down to playing players in their positions and said you would be amazed how many managers play players out of position. Bell is a prime example and I honestly believe would be a better option than Croft. This is not a dig at Croft because he gives everything to the cause; I just don''t think he''s a vital as people make out. He''s scored 2 very good goals this season but does not score enough for me either. I would like to keep him in our squad but if we are being offered 500.000 for him then please take it!

[quote user="Clint"]Those people who are still backing Roeder on the basis that he has had no money are spend, I would just like you to consider the facts.  The board have backed Roeder as much as they did Worthy whilst he was in this division, the only difference being Worthy got us to a play off final and subsequently promoted on a shoe-string budget.  Roeder has had the cash but he has either wasted it or used it in a completely inefficient manner.  He has signed 24 players in roughly 14 months, each with a considerable signing on or loan fee and how many of these could you count as complete successes?!?  I would say possibly, only Clingan, Evans, Lita and Taylor with three of these only short term solutions and are no longer playing for us.  Bell looks promising but the jury is still out and whether he''s still here post January is anyone''s guess. Whereas, how many of these have not worked out for one reason or another?!?  I would say Archibald-Henville, Bates, Gibbs, Grounds, Henry, Hoolahan (to date), Koroma, Lupoli (not sure why), Rigters, Sibierski and Velasco.  Bertrand and Omozusi have had a margin of success but are really no better than we already have.  Camara looked when he first signed but then after a few matches, seemed to be the first player to recieve what is now known as the Lappin, Chadwick, Lupoli treatment.  Kennedy and Stefanovic both appeared to be decent but neither will play for us again this season leaving us very short in defence.  Pattison has had his moments but is he really good enough to keep Russell out of the team?!?  Nelson hasn''t kicked a ball for us and I expect is not as good but being paid considerably more than Joe Lewis was.  Likewise, Cort is a gamble and thus far, has hardly played since signing.  So of the permanent signings, I think Roeder has spent roughly £2m on Bell, Hoolahan, Pattison and Stefanovic of which none have been a mitigated success and for one reason or another, have hardly been the first names on the team sheet (plus signing on fees and decent wages, particulalry for Stefanovic).  Clingan, Nelson, Cort and Velasco we''re either free transfers or short term deals but would probably come with a signing on fee (certainly Clingan and Nelson would). The loans will all cost money and contrary to what people seem to think aren''t necessarily a cheap solution.  Take Sibierski and Lupilo for example, Wigan and Fiorentina would demand a loan fee for their time here.  As well as this, we are reported to be paying £15k of Sibierki''s £25 per week wages.  I would guess we are paying at least £5k a week of Lupoli''s wages.   This means that since signing and up to the end of Jan we would have been out roughly £420k in wages, which would actually sign permanently a fairly decent lower league striker, who''s wage demands would also be massively less.  The said lower league striker would also be an asset of the club and not need to be replaced again in several months time, when the whole cycle will start again.  He could also possibly be sold in a season or two''s time for a profit. If you apply this theory to the rest of the loan players, you will see that Roeder has actually spent and wasted a lot of cash and this cycle will continue whilst he is here.  If for whatever reason, Roeder isn''t going to play Lupoli, Archibald-Henville, Koroma why are they here?!?  That''s loan fee''s plus wages possibly of around £8-£10 per week that could be used elsewhere and is just being wasted.  That''s roughly £500k, which would have more or less covered the transfer fee of most of Worthy''s signings whilst we were in this division but yet people think Roeder hasn''t had any money to spend.  For those that are still pro-Huckerby, it would have also covered his wages for another season and I would expect he would have had much more of an impact that the three loan players. So please do not say that Roeder hasn''t had any money.  He has managed to strip the club of several of its assets by releasing a number of our permanent players on free transfers and replacing them with temporary short term solutions.  This is actually costing the club a great deal of money but also devaluing it at the same time.  Have a look at the list of Roeder signings below, had I not mentioned them earlier, you probably wouldn''t have even remembered several of them: Archibald-Henville      Bates      Bell      Bertrand      Camara      Clingan      Cort      Evans      Gibbs      Grounds      Henry      Hoolahan      Kennedy      Koroma      Lita Lupoli      Nelson      Omozusi      Pattison      Pearce      Rigters      Sibierski      Stefanovic      Taylor      Velasco Apologies for the lenght of post but this is a topic that is really starting to infuriate me!     [/quote]The reason we shouldn''t get rid of Roeder is because te vast majority of the players mentioned above are good quality players. He has a big contacts book and uses it - he has a long term plan and not just a short term fix. We don''t have the money to make every single player "our" player in one season so Roeder is taking the long term view. He worked a miracle last season and is doing as well if not better than any of our other realistic targets!!!

    Allardyce said the other day that he would be willing to take the right job in the championship. I personally think that Roeder is a good manager BUT would do anything to have Allardyce manage our football club. Just a thought ...

Not sure how anybody can justify Cureton being in the squad - he has not performed and the amount of easy chances he misses is unbelievable. Drop him!

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]Can''t we jus get him in cheap in the hope he does come good, cos he''s a prem class defender barring injury [/quote]   If it doesn''t come off then we''re stuck with him on our wage bill and not many potential buyers I would imagine

Hi all, I was wondering whether I could get some feedback on Sibierski. Unfortunately I missed the match on Wednesday and have only seen highlights from Plymouth and QPR. Is he looking like a good acquisition? I thought when we signed him he would be a good player for us. Is this the case?

[quote user="jas the barclay king"] [quote user="Jimmy Smith"]Roeder seems still keen on him from what was said a bit ago, so maybe he''ll be ours on the cheap soon, and he can overcome his injury nightmare and become a key figure for us [/quote] hasnt he had the same cruciate injury twice now? Id steer well clear... any pace he had is now likely to have gone! Zema Abbey did his knee twice and was recently released by Forest Green in the conference.... Let someone else loan Bates and take the risk.. we can soon monitor the situation form there jas :) [/quote] I agree with Jas here - the guy is a good player but is always likely to be injury prone even if he does keep his levels of performance

[quote user="jas the barclay king"] Semmys a winger playing out of position.. stick him on the right wing with a decent full back behind him and we''d do very well! jas :) [/quote] You may well be right Jas. Croft would be a good winger if he could actually cross a ball or pass to members of his own team - I just wonder if Otsemobor could put good crosses in on a regular basis?

I don''t understand why people are suddenly picking on Fozzy. Perhaps there''s an argument as to whether he should be captain but he is a good player and should be starting regularly. A lot of his work goes unnoticed and to me the logical thing to do would be to leave Clinigan out of the side. Although he''s not a bad player, so far he has given away two very clumsy pens.

[quote user="lucky green trainers"]imo semmy had a very good game against brum, and then made way for ozi - but on last nights performance, if semmy doesn''t get his place back on saturday, my eyebrows will be raised off the top of me ole bonce...also, the goal we leaked late on at plymouth seemed to arrive out of a failure to clear a hoofed ball into the city pen area - imo ozi was under it, but didn''t seem to clear it away... btw, i''m not picking on ozi here, just saying semmy deserves another crack at the first team starting 11...   [/quote]   I would have no objection to Otsemobor regaining his place back, however watch the brum highlights back. Otsemobor lost his man on the goal and was about a yard away from him giving him a free header. Otsemobor''s main weakness is his heading, he seems to lose out on a lot of headers where he should perhaps do better. This is the reasoning behind starting Omuzuzi i''m sure

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]I really don''t know, Im a fan of JC and the fact he''s always loved NC.  However I have to relent and say he should be dropped from the side, but the bigger question is, bring who in?  Lupoli, not 100% match fit and still too small to play without a big man up front, Rusty who is a midfielder and not an out and out striker.[/quote]   I honestly think that either OJ or Lupoli would be better - Cureton has a track record of missing open goals for a season and a bit now. It may seem a bit desperate but let''s give OJ a run in the side or start with Lupoli ad sub him. I think you should always start with your best side and JC does not make it for my money

The guy constantly missed open goals last season and it has continued this season. Any other player would have scored 2 goals in 2 games by now. JC has 0 in 2, just about sums him up as a striker really!

"Dejan''s gonna get ya" "Dejan''s gonna get ya" "Dejan''s gonna get ya" (Like Bobo''s gonna get ya which they sing at Celtic)

Parkin from Stoke is on our radar - i''m not too keen but what does anyone else think. This is our big man apparantly - just a rumour so please don''t shoot me down, im not claiming its def true

We currently have very few defenders and Shackell is one of the best we have; unless we have someone who is as good as or better than Shackell lined up as a permanant signing we can''t sell

[quote user="super mick mccarthy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="super mick mccarthy "] quite frankly england in that tournement we would reacher 1/4s easily [/quote] The arrogance of the average English football fan truly knows no bounds [:''(] Who knows, if we''d have made the quarters we might even have gone on to win it hey [:$] [/quote] no we get 1/4s play blinder but someone will be sent off or injured last minute of game sol campbell will score perfectly good goal but disollowed. extra time be all square then we''ll lose in pen shootout   [/quote] Rubbish - what actually happens is England get to the quarters; theyre not good enough to progress so some England fans make excuses (Sol Campbell''s goal was rightfully disallowed.) England would have got no where near the 1/4 this year! I want England to do well but this is the reality

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"] Scotland do lose against crap teams, you see it all the time. They''ll beat Spain for example and draw with Holland and all they have to do to get to the next round is beat Faroe Islands for e.g. and they end up losing 2-1 or something. [/quote] Like England losing against Northern Ireland you mean? I think the English view of Scotland and England is so tainted and I am English! 

[quote user="Worst Wizard"] FIFA RANKINGS (previous position in brackets): 1. (4) Spain 2. (3) Italy 3. (5) Germany 4. (2) Brazil 5. (10) Netherlands 6. (1) Argentina 7. (15) Croatia 8. (6) Czech Republic 9. (11) Portugal 10. (7) France 11. (24) Russia 12. (12) Romania 13. (13) Cameroon 14. (20) Turkey 15. (9) England 16. (17) Scotland 17. (18) Bulgaria 18. (8) Greece 19. (14) Mexico 20 (16) Ghana (Editing by John O''Brien) This means no more seeding in major tournaments which arguably has been a big reason why England have qualified for World Cups and Euro Champs recently. So it''s back to meeting the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany and Holland in the qualifying stages for major tournaments now. [/quote]   We should be below them really! I''m sure on recent form, they''ll feel a bit aggrieved at these rankings

[quote user="Smudger"] [quote user="Bayve Desleigh"]It''s got nothing to do with us expecting her to bow down without claiming any kind of return on the money she''s invested. It''s the fact she''s said herself in the past that it''s not about the money, that she''d walk away if someone "idiotic" enough to pump in cash for players approachd the club.[/quote] Did Delia once ever say something silly like she would sell the club for a tenner or a fiver, if it meant that the right man who could invest serious money in to the team would come in? Just asking, as I keep getting asked this question by somebody who sems pretty convinced of it. [/quote] Think you may be right; I think Delia did say she''d sell the club for £5 or £10. I wouldn''t expect her to do that but if Peter Cullum is serious about investing £20 mil and being committed long term then I think she should accept any reasonable offer unless she can invest £20 mil herself which she clearly can''t.

[quote user="Duffman"]This is the extended version.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul5uVWDexRo [/quote] This is horrible - I don''t understand the mentality of people like this. Barton should not be a footballer if he can do that to another human being. I think people like that should be locked up for a long time!

[quote user="AndyJR"][quote user="Cobain18"][quote user="AndyJR"][quote user="Cobain18"] [quote user="AndyJR"][quote user="Nuff Said"]We do know that our initial offer - believed to be in the region of £750,000 - was turned down, and that Taylor was unavailable at the end of the transfer window as Birmingham decided not to sell. So I would say it may not be entirely accurate, but it''s not far off. [/quote] Indeed, should have paid up. [/quote] I think the point was that we did not want to be seen as being held to ransom by Birmingham; if we were that could have opened the floodgates for other teams to hold NCFC to ransom with other potential signings [/quote] It was a case of being realistic.  They wanted £1 mil and Brady said there would be no negotiating, pay it or he stays.  Your not held to ransom when the price of milk in the shop is 38p, either pay it or milk your own. [/quote]   Fair point. I just think that the reasoning behind us not paying the 1mil was so that other clubs did not set prices and tell us there was no negociating having seen B''ham dothe same thing. I take your point though and on reflection we probably should have paid the 1 mil [/quote] We have just successfully had a civil and engaging debate Cobain18, no nastiness or animosity, a rare treat in these hostile Pinkun days - I think we both deserve a pat on the back sir, bravo. [/quote] I wish I could have this type of debate with everyone on here; I think we both deserve that pat on the back too