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I recall Messi beating Rio Ferdinand in a Champions League game.

Looked to me to be an offside in the buildup.

I love VAR!

Funny… it sounds like you’re saying… Let us pray. We sure need too!

I recall a quote from a very well known world cup defender I had the privilege to work with: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken 5hit."

Todd Cant(do)well in the Premier League. It has nothing to do with the players around him. Yes, he has shooting star moments of brilliance, but the majority of the time his trickery and skill level are not enough to outplay established PL midfielders and defenders consistency and he simply gets pushed off the ball. And, much like a child who keeps having their toy taken away by bigger kids, he has a strop and takes it out on the coach/team/fans by choosing not to grow up and play. I don’t believe for one second any talk about mental health issues. If this were the case, I’m sure NCFC would have made some sort of official statement and found him help. As for emotional issues around family members, we all have them. That’s part of living. As has been mentioned previously in the thread, he should look to Aarons for some pointers on how to be classy and professional. There’s a piece of me that wants to let him sit on the bench for the U23s for the next 18 months, but we need the money.

And no players……not that we have any at the moment anyway.

I have no problems with the idea of gradually building the club. However, it feels like we're on a similar time frame as the the Basílica de la Sagrada Família. In other words, I'd like to be alive to see the project completed.

This be the truth.

Money talks and Norwich doesn't speak the language.

I would honestly say both. Having to sell key players every other season to finance the club and acquire new players is not a model that will see NCFC as a stable Premier League team. However, if the financial world was ever to require all debts to be paid by all teams, NCFC would clearly be in an advantageous position.

Is it? Or maybe it shows that if NCFC steps one financial foot off balance, it's over. Delia & Co simply do not have the financial strength to save the club. Further, considering the amount of money being wasted on players at the moment, the line being walked is very fine. As to your request: https://www.1sports1.com/ranked-premier-league-clubs-with-the-most-debts/ Apologies. It won't come through as a clickable link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

I agree. My worry is that some are so accustomed to it, they might not even recognize they're doing it. I mean, an investment firm evaluated ITFC and bought them. You can't tell me that ITFC is less 'provincial' than NCFC. It is simply the fact that Delia & Co. are stuck in an antiquated, old school way of thinking when it comes how football clubs should be operated. The self-funded model is admirable, but let's be honest, it's a BS feel-good smokescreen. So does anyone think that Delia & Co. would actually invest anything of significance into the club (their business) if the self-funded model started to fail, or would they just sit back and watch the club slip into League 1 obscurity while choosing to only sell to a 'real fan'?

That's what most people who have found themselves entangled in an abusive relationship think.

This.....however, I have to admit that I'm still in the 'if' category regarding relegation. But your point about the competitive mindset is true. Fighting your ar5e off to gain promotion, only to have it handed to you every week the following year is not why players play the game. They play the game to be competitive and win (unless they want to just sit on a bench and collect their wage.) What the players of NCFC are experiencing right now (and the fans) is embarrassing, humiliating and psychologically crushing. Add to this that we will probably see our better players, having given the plan a few good years now, move on; players like Pukki, Hanley and Krul will be a year older; loanees leaving (thank god for the most part) and Normann probably choosing not to sign permanently, NCFC will be in a dire position and will require ANOTHER rebuild. Unless recruiting hits the jackpot -again- NCFC will at best be a competitive mid-table Championship team for a few years. I have to admit, I am becoming a little exhausted by the whiplash effect of promotion followed by humiliation and relegation. Some fans might cry COVID and injuries have been the cause of our troubles. My response is that all the clubs are in the same situation. In fact, Webber & Co. should've learned from the 2019/2020 season how to handle such a scenario. I am becoming exhausted with football in general; with the ownership of the club; with the self-funded model (but I do not condone wild spending.); with the diatribe of soundbites that are put out to appease the fan base. I'll support Norwich until my dying day, but I no longer wish to look upon NCFC with 'HOPE'. Hope is for people who are in hospital and don't know if they will be going home. Hope is for people stuck in war and want to make it back to their loved ones. Hope is for people in true-to-life dire situations who are powerless to make change. Anything else is always up to the individual or group to make that change. NCFC is not changing. All they are doing is rearranging the furniture. The foundation is still in dire need of an overhaul. Hope has no place in a business model (i.e. I hope we find another Buendia) nor does it have a place in sports (I hope Cristiano Ronaldo rips a toenail off and can't play today). Both arenas have (within reason) controlled outcomes. NCFC are failing at both. NCFC is a passion, yes, but it is first and foremost a business that has the potential to operate at a global level. But, rather than growing into a global environment, we are fumbling and bumbling our way to being recognized as a team that offers nothing more than a high-level training session for other teams. Delia & Co. are allowed to run their business any way they want. I will never argue that. I just feel that I have come to the point where it is time they move on. If we continue with the current structure/model, then I fear that as a club, and as a business, we will begin down a path from which we will not recover. The gulf between the Premier League and everyone else is simply becoming too large. I fear NCFC is on the precipice of ruin. Webber can smell it and is probably making plans (conjecture), while Delia & Co, who truly amaze me that after 25 years of ownership, continue to demonstrate nothing more than the comprehension of a hobbiest owner and will therefore offer nothing of substance as the 5hit intensifies in its hitting of the fan. In a nut shell, Delia & Co. should sell the club and allow someone (or a group) who understand the sporting/business world at a higher level to take over.

Wait until you talk with someone who voted for Trump…and would vote for him again. That….is actually frightening. I’m still struggling to understand if that brand of stupidly is nature or nurture.

WTF is going on ?!?

If you’re going to create multiple accounts in order to argue with, or support your comments, then you should at least try and change the cadence of your sentence structure.

Merry Christmas to everyone and here’s to a healthy, fun and sane 2022!

I would really enjoy talking with you in more detail about the rationale behind your thinking, but I’ve made a choice not to engage with stupid. But just to throw you a bone, if you actually think that COVID is the mechanism with which the rich and powerful are trying to control you, then you should ask for a refund from whomever ‘woke’ you up.

The sad thing is, I have a family member whose pension is directly associated with this deal. I tried to tell him at the beginning that he should be saying something to the other members (He's a well respected fire captain) as to how bad this decision was and create some push back. Unfortunately, like many Americans who don't follow a global sport, he wasn't able to comprehend the magnitude of what I was telling him in terms of the real danger involved with this investment.

Let’s be honest, Canary Jedi… know one has a clue as to what the person sitting next to you has got. Head-lice, pink eye, strep throat, infatigo, any number of infectious diseases and/or viruses. But to your point, I do wish people would better understand that the vaccine doesn’t prevent anyone from catching COVID. It simply reduces the impact on the person. Hopefully with the vaccine, at worst, they stay in the catagory of ‘miserable’ rather than ‘hospitalized’. The real problem is a pandemic of people infected with pride infested stupidity

Very well said!

But that’s not what Uncle Fred is speaking to.