Dirty Leeds

[Number 9 0]

Leeds winger Robbie Rogers has come out and announced that he is gay.

Would you welcome him in the summer to join up with his Leeds mates here?

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Oh dear me this thread will start something that is for sure.

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="Number 9"]Leeds winger Robbie Rogers has come out and announced that he is gay.

Would you welcome him in the summer to join up with his Leeds mates here?[/quote]No I wouldn''t welcome him here.Because he has retired, and he''s not good enough.

[Number 9 0]

Not retired quite yet. Only 25 years old.

What''s on your mind Tilly?

[TIL 1010 5,246]

http://deadspin.com/5984581/us-national-team-member-robbie-rogers-comes-out-as-gay-walks-away-from-soccer

Having read this i just wonder why Number 9 deemed it worthy of a thread on a Norwich City messageboard.

[Gingerpele 0]

[quote user="Number 9"]Not retired quite yet. Only 25 years old.

What''s on your mind Tilly?[/quote]

Well he pretty much has retired, he''s ''taking a break'' but considering the level of football he was playing at, not exactly going to be that easy for him to just walk back in if he leaves it a year or more.

[Alan_Grey 0]

He has retired, which is obvious to anyone who has read his quite touching post on the matter.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

Shame he could only declare himself gay after he gives up the game. Yes it is a can of worms Till and one that is rarely discussed, macho game and gays just don''t fit the profile. 

[morty 0]

[quote user="canarygirl"]Shame he could only declare himself gay after he gives up the game. Yes it is a can of worms Till and one that is rarely discussed, macho game and gays just don''t fit the profile. [/quote]It can be discussed, and it is a subject close to our hearts because of Justin.Unfortunately it will likely attract idiots, and the thread will descend into chaos.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="canarygirl"]Shame he could only declare himself gay after he gives up the game. Yes it is a can of worms Till and one that is rarely discussed, macho game and gays just don''t fit the profile. [/quote]It can be discussed, and it is a subject close to our hearts because of Justin.Unfortunately it will likely attract idiots, and the thread will descend into chaos.[/quote]

Your probably right, but my first question to you all is why could Gareth Thomas, Wales rugby captain and British Lion come out during his career and continue playing where as footballers need to finish playing before they feel they are able to speak out.

[Number 9 0]

And it is a bang up to date topic what with the group of Russian fans demanding players which are not foreign or gay.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

[quote user="morty"]
Unfortunately it will likely attract idiots, and the thread will descend into chaos.
[/quote]

Call me cynical but looking at his career which has averaged 15 games a season over the last 8 years at a number of clubs well beneath our level i wonder why Number 9 deemed that he could be considered for a EPL club ? Had this young man not announced that he was gay would this thread have even been started ?.....No i think not.

 

[Gingerpele 0]

Whats sad is that it''s still an issue.

I imagine there are a few homosexuals around playing professional football, would be pretty shocking if there weren''t any. And while they shouldn''t have to come out and publicly announce that they''re gay, you''d have thought a few might have, or a few you''d assume were (i''m sure not all gay celebrities have announced it to the world, but people still discuss it ''normally'').

Now Robbie has come out and opened up, at the same time as retiring, there is still only one openly gay footballer, who is playing in some lowish Swedish division.

Football isn''t as macho as some would like, watch the players they love to grab each others arses in celebration. I''m sure any gay footballers would be accepted by the majority, like your average gay person is in general these days. Of course there are still stupid bigots, and far too many of them, and no one should have to put up with abuse from people like that for something that you don''t even really decide yourself.

Anyway, shame this guy has given up football, but if its what he wants rather than something he''s felt pressured to do then good luck to him. And i''m sure if he does decide to come back to football, he would be accepted back by most (although like I said, if he''s out for a while, at the standard he''s at won''t be that easy to get back in for footballing reasons)

[Number 9 0]

Tilly in answr to your question, Snoddy was among the first to offer support to Rogers because he was a mate, the link was made which made me give thought hence the post.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Whats sad is that it''s still an issue.

I imagine there are a few homosexuals around playing professional football, would be pretty shocking if there weren''t any. And while they shouldn''t have to come out and publicly announce that they''re gay, you''d have thought a few might have, or a few you''d assume were (i''m sure not all gay celebrities have announced it to the world, but people still discuss it ''normally'').

Now Robbie has come out and opened up, at the same time as retiring, there is still only one openly gay footballer, who is playing in some lowish Swedish division.

Football isn''t as macho as some would like, watch the players they love to grab each others arses in celebration. I''m sure any gay footballers would be accepted by the majority, like your average gay person is in general these days. Of course there are still stupid bigots, and far too many of them, and no one should have to put up with abuse from people like that for something that you don''t even really decide yourself.

Anyway, shame this guy has given up football, but if its what he wants rather than something he''s felt pressured to do then good luck to him. And i''m sure if he does decide to come back to football, he would be accepted back by most (although like I said, if he''s out for a while, at the standard he''s at won''t be that easy to get back in for footballing reasons)[/quote]

It''s not machoism with the players Ginger its the fans

[morty 0]

[quote user="canarygirl"][quote user="morty"][quote user="canarygirl"]Shame he could only declare himself gay after he gives up the game. Yes it is a can of worms Till and one that is rarely discussed, macho game and gays just don''t fit the profile. [/quote]It can be discussed, and it is a subject close to our hearts because of Justin.Unfortunately it will likely attract idiots, and the thread will descend into chaos.[/quote]

Your probably right, but my first question to you all is why could Gareth Thomas, Wales rugby captain and British Lion come out during his career and continue playing where as footballers need to finish playing before they feel they are able to speak out.

[/quote]Obviously attitudes within football preclude.And the rugby players could likely knock seven bells out of anyone who has issue lol.

[morty 0]

I think the FA would love a high profile player to come out, so they could use him as a symbol of how accepting and PC modern football is.But frankly, who would want to be that person.You would be forever labelled.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

[quote user="morty"]I think the FA would love a high profile player to come out, so they could use him as a symbol of how accepting and PC modern football is.But frankly, who would want to be that person.You would be forever labelled.[/quote]

Would be interesting to see how homophobic chanting would be dealt with, the question was asked about racism at CR and I have never heard any of the crowd calling out racist remarks, but have heard the odd comment in the bars, but homophobic chanting I have heard in the fairly recent past and I am not aware anything has been done about it

[R Mellie 0]

[quote user="Number 9"]Leeds winger Robbie Rogers has come out and announced that he is gay. Would you welcome him in the summer to join up with his Leeds mates here?[/quote]

 

I genuinely don''t think he is good enough, but if he was, his sexuality wouldn''t bother me one bit.  Why should it?  If he was good enough I would welcome him with open arms.  And I mean that literally.  Are some NCFC fans that backward and intolerant that they wouldn''t welcome a player that would improve our playing squad regardless of his sexuality??  I dearly hope not, and given the OP''s title, have to question the motives for posting such an inflammatory post in the first place. 

 

I ask again, and referring to the OP, why not?  And perhaps more importantly, why would someones sexuality be a reference point as to whether you would welcome them at your club? 

 

Stinks of homophobia if you ask me, but happy to let other posters make of it what they will.

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="canarygirl"][quote user="morty"]I think the FA would love a high profile player to come out, so they could use him as a symbol of how accepting and PC modern football is.But frankly, who would want to be that person.You would be forever labelled.[/quote]

Would be interesting to see how homophobic chanting would be dealt with, the question was asked about racism at CR and I have never heard any of the crowd calling out racist remarks, but have heard the odd comment in the bars, but homophobic chanting I have heard in the fairly recent past and I am not aware anything has been done about it

[/quote]It would be a difficult process, but homophobia could easily be treated as being abhorrent as racism.But it all has to start with one player, someone brave  (or stupid ) enough to put himself on the pedestal and let everyone scrutinise and label him.Honestly, if I was a gay footballer, I wouldn''t want it to be me.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

[quote user="vindo"]

 why would someones sexuality be a reference point as to whether you would welcome them at your club? 

Stinks of homophobia if you ask me, but happy to let other posters make of it what they will.

 

[/quote]

Very well put vindo.

[R Mellie 0]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="canarygirl"][quote user="morty"]I think the FA would love a high profile player to come out, so they could use him as a symbol of how accepting and PC modern football is.

But frankly, who would want to be that person.

You would be forever labelled.
[/quote]

Would be interesting to see how homophobic chanting would be dealt with, the question was asked about racism at CR and I have never heard any of the crowd calling out racist remarks, but have heard the odd comment in the bars, but homophobic chanting I have heard in the fairly recent past and I am not aware anything has been done about it

[/quote]

It would be a difficult process, but homophobia could easily be treated as being abhorrent as racism.

But it all has to start with one player, someone brave  (or stupid ) enough to put himself on the pedestal and let everyone scrutinise and label him.

Honestly, if I was a gay footballer, I wouldn''t want it to be me.

[/quote]

 

And so it should, as should all forms of discrimination.  On a personal level I abhor all forms of discrimination, why should one take precedent over another? 

 

Any form of discrimination should be considered abhorrent - as much as I wish I could have been, I''m not a professional footballer, but. like all professional footballers, I work with a wide range of people, different sexualities, different sex (to me), different religions, different races, different cultures etc etc...so f''ing what?? 

 

Every single person I come into contact with at home or at work enriches my life in some way, some positively, some negatively, but always in some way, regardless of the colour of their skin, or the religion they believe in, or the people they fall in love with, or the clothes that they wear etc etc... Thankfully I''m grown up enough to realise that those who promote discrimination, are either plain ignorant, or simply bigots.  Both the former and the latter need educating, and those that fall under the latter umbrella who refuse to reconsider their viewpoint need breeding out...

 

And to pick up on "Honestly, if I was a gay footballer, I wouldn''t want it to be me."  - I would, I''m not gay, or (unfortunately) a professional footballer, but just imagine if a number of footballers of the stature and standing of any of our current EPL stars (say in the top ten or twenty players) were to ''come out'' - good on them I''d say, what on earth would the club neanderthals say about their star player then?

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="vindo"][quote user="morty"][quote user="canarygirl"][quote user="morty"]I think the FA would love a high profile player to come out, so they could use him as a symbol of how accepting and PC modern football is.But frankly, who would want to be that person.You would be forever labelled.[/quote]

Would be interesting to see how homophobic chanting would be dealt with, the question was asked about racism at CR and I have never heard any of the crowd calling out racist remarks, but have heard the odd comment in the bars, but homophobic chanting I have heard in the fairly recent past and I am not aware anything has been done about it

[/quote]It would be a difficult process, but homophobia could easily be treated as being abhorrent as racism.But it all has to start with one player, someone brave  (or stupid ) enough to put himself on the pedestal and let everyone scrutinise and label him.Honestly, if I was a gay footballer, I wouldn''t want it to be me.[/quote]

 

And so it should, as should all forms of discrimination.  On a personal level I abhor all forms of discrimination, why should one take precedent over another? 

 

Any form of discrimination should be considered abhorrent - as much as I wish I could have been, I''m not a professional footballer, but. like all professional footballers, I work with a wide range of people, different sexualities, different sex (to me), different religions, different races, different cultures etc etc...so f''ing what?? 

 

Every single person I come into contact with at home or at work enriches my life in some way, some positively, some negatively, but always in some way, regardless of the colour of their skin, or the religion they believe in, or the people they fall in love with, or the clothes that they wear etc etc... Thankfully I''m grown up enough to realise that those who promote discrimination, are either plain ignorant, or simply bigots.  Both the former and the latter need educating, and those that fall under the latter umbrella who refuse to reconsider their viewpoint need breeding out...

 

And to pick up on "Honestly, if I was a gay footballer, I wouldn''t want it to be me."  - I would, I''m not gay, or (unfortunately) a professional footballer, but just imagine if a number of footballers of the stature and standing of any of our current EPL stars (say in the top ten or twenty players) were to ''come out'' - good on them I''d say, what on earth would the club neanderthals say about their star player then?

 

[/quote]Talk is cheap, the first player to come out will be treated like a circus freak, held up to the world as some sort of symbol.There are gay footballers, if it were that easy, why are they not coming out?

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Lovin'' your post Vindo. Unfortunately the discriminations are not treated equally. Even with the progress that has been made over racism there''s a fair bit of education and evolution to go through before we are anywhere near where we should be. Other discriminations have even further to go.

 

 

[Bert sneakers 0]

Sorry but I don''t get this thread at all, are we discussing if this bloke is worthy of joining NCFC or are we asking if a homosexual player would be welcome at the club?

I don''t see how a persons sexuality, colour or religion comes into player selection, if they are good enough that''s all that matters simple as that.

I should imagine fans taunting a gay player would be dealt with I the same way as a terrace idiot making monkey chants, neither has a place in modern colture so should have no place at a football match.

The fact this is being discussed at all suggests being homosexual and playing football is something out of the ordinary and actually helps make it an issue, it isn''t.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Bert sneakers"]Sorry but I don''t get this thread at all, are we discussing if this bloke is worthy of joining NCFC or are we asking if a homosexual player would be welcome at the club?

I don''t see how a persons sexuality, colour or religion comes into player selection, if they are good enough that''s all that matters simple as that.

I should imagine fans taunting a gay player would be dealt with I the same way as a terrace idiot making monkey chants, neither has a place in modern colture so should have no place at a football match.

The fact this is being discussed at all suggests being homosexual and playing football is something out of the ordinary and actually helps make it an issue, it isn''t.[/quote]Do you visit the real world often?Of course its an issue, otherwise the homosexual players would be quite happy to come out.

[Tetteys Jig 851]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Hmm, he does, and a child. Probably not gay then.[/quote]

Lol, i had a theory that that ''heart hands'' celebration might be a gay code or something! I guess Kei Kamara would be in on it too! Apparently it has some different origins though.

Honestly though, who cares if a player is gay. Unfortunately, with it being so ''taboo'' the first big star to come out will have all kinds of media to deal with, some positive, but also some very damning negative stories etc that it will take a strong man to be the first.

Maybe we could get a couple? Bassong and Turner seem to have a good understanding at the back :P

Wasnt there them horrible rumours concerning Ashton and Sason Jackell a few years back?

[Not Nigel 0]

No I wouldn''t have him here, not because he is gay but because I''ve never heard of him and he is likely crap.

[pablofarmer 0]

Surprised no one has taken objection to the tired title.

All this talk of homophobia and the title suggests its wrong. Well does to me.

A players sexuality should have nothing to do with them being picked.

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

I am ambivalent to the whole gay issue to the point of being indifferent. I know little about it and prefer it that way.

 

I do though find it mildly amusing that with the issue of gay marriage currently causing such dissention and anguish in the highest of places (both the First and Second Estates at least) and with general moralising about gay adoptions being rife, this Board stretches into three pages of discussion based upon the initial, and slightly provocative question, about whether or not a gay footballer, who nobody has ever heard of, would be a welcome addition to the NCFC squad. 

 

Next question. Would you welcome an openly gay man as the next manager of Norwich City? Delia did seem to gel rather well with Graham Norton last night after all.

 

This question is intended neither to be homophobic nor provocative, I just want another three pages.