""I know he is a young referee but dear me."

[Mister Chops 7]

"I know he is a young referee but dear me what a performance that was."Ferguson on Michael Oliver''s "refereeing" yesterday.  When is the child ref next due at FCR, anyone know?

[Canaries Utd 0]

Never forgiven him for sending Holt off at Reading, he''s one reason that fast track referees should be binned!

[Webbo118 0]

With a bit more experience, he could get to be as bad as Lee Probert.

[Row D Seat 7 0]

He did Norwich/Villa a couple of weeks ago.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

I have to say that Oliver goes up in my estimation by not caving in to Ferguson''s bullying during yesterday''s game.

When looking at yesterday''s game and Ferguson''s reaction there''s only one thing that is relevant. Man Utd didn''t win.

[ZLF 335]

the question is whether the ref saw it having already given the free kick and could decide whether it was intentional;  easy to come to a conclusion after several slo mo views but if he felt (as williams has pleaded) that hitting RVP was unintentional was the decision wrong?

 

 

Likewise I would be nervous with the FA doing something post match. 

 

 

Perfect result for us - kept us top half and above swanselona and kept the title chase alive.

 

PS - how avereage is the league this year?   Citeh & Manure streets ahead overall yet both look distinctly average week in week out - no wonder its unlikely we will get a team to the semis of a euro tournament this season.    

[Yobocop 1,444]

Far too easy to slate Oliver without looking at the facts

A lot of refs (probert) would have jumped in sent off both Williams and RVP but sounds as if Oliver was fully in control of the situation and players

Oliver will be a top ref

[ZLF 335]

more than anything itsgreat deflection from SAF (could have killed him!!) away from a poor overall performance and in particular from rooney on a a weekend when citeh closed the gap 

[Mr Angry 2,019]

Slightly OT but is anyone else pleased that we don''t see Chris Hughton slagging off referees after every game? It really annoys me when I read about managers moaning about the goal that shouldn''t have been given, the penalty that never was, etc. Especially when they fail to mention the incidents that went in their favour in the same game.

Sure, there are going to be some games when you get the s h i t t y end of the stick but some managers seem to be at it all the time-Brendan Rodgers and Tony Pulis in particular have been real crybabies this season.

Chris Hughton seems to be above all this and I think that when he does mention a wrong decision, it carries more weight because he isn''t constantly harping on about the refs. 

[GJP 79]

[quote user="refjezdavies"]Far too easy to slate Oliver without looking at the facts A lot of refs (probert) would have jumped in sent off both Williams and RVP but sounds as if Oliver was fully in control of the situation and players

 

Oliver will be a top ref[/quote]

Well you could probably just as easily argue that Oliver didn''t really know what to do so he just booked both players.

 

But it''s interesting you say Oliver "will" be a top ref - surely he should already be a top ref to be doing it at that level. Though it''s pretty obvious he was fast-tracked up the leagues because the powers that be wanted to look like they were bringing through quality bright young refs.

 

He''ll be ok as long as he doesn''t let the power and the glamour go to his head, which happens to too many of them.

[Aggy 944]

Terrible ref. Every time I''ve seen him live (or extended highlights) he''s had a bad game.

Zipper - re; average quality of the league, agreed. I''ve been thinking that we''ve been going that way for quite some time. Chelsea last season rather messed up my suggestions, although they were possibly the worst team to win the champions league I can remember!

I think, though, you can probably use the same argument across much of Europe. Take Barcelona out of the equation, and there are not a lot of quality sides around at the moment. Madrid having a bad year and haven''t been as swashbuckling since Mourinho''s been there. The German league is getting better, but all of their teams (except Bayern) were so far behind that they''re only really just beginning to catch up with the "big 3". And Italian teams have been poor for ages.

[Yobocop 1,444]

No he was fast tracked up the list because he''s good enough to referee at that level and having the advantage of being able to referee at that level 10 years more than any other referee we see him progress to even greater heights.

I''ve seen Michael Oliver make one bad decision in his refereeing career, that being Grant Holt''s wrong sending off v. Reading...its no wonder Norwich fans disregard him as a referee.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

"Up yours ref.....It wuz a fair challenge, I got the ball I tell yeh......I got the ball!"

[Webbo118 0]

[quote user="refjezdavies"]No he was fast tracked up the list because he''s good enough to referee at that level and having the advantage of being able to referee at that level 10 years more than any other referee we see him progress to even greater heights. I''ve seen Michael Oliver make one bad decision in his refereeing career, that being Grant Holt''s wrong sending off v. Reading...its no wonder Norwich fans disregard him as a referee.[/quote]

 

I would suggest that he was fast tracked up the list for one reason and one reason only - contacts.

[Yobocop 1,444]

could you find some proof on that?

[GJP 79]

[quote user="refjezdavies"] I''ve seen Michael Oliver make one bad decision in his refereeing career, that being Grant Holt''s wrong sending off v. Reading...its no wonder Norwich fans disregard him as a referee.[/quote]

Not sending Ashley Williams off was a bad decision. He knew exactly what he was doing and it would be very naive to think otherwise. Clearly dangerous play with intent.

[Yobocop 1,444]

Disagree, I honestly thought it was a genuine attempt to clear the ball

whilst you can understand RVPs frustrations his reaction was OTT however Oliver used some common sense by only showing a yellow

[Yobocop 1,444]

Disagree, I honestly thought it was a genuine attempt to clear the ball

whilst you can understand RVPs frustrations his reaction was OTT however Oliver used some common sense by only showing a yellow

[Webbo118 0]

[quote user="refjezdavies"]could you find some proof on that?[/quote]

 

It is always useful to have people in significant places.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="refjezdavies"]Disagree, I honestly thought it was a genuine attempt to clear the ball whilst you can understand RVPs frustrations his reaction was OTT however Oliver used some common sense by only showing a yellow [/quote]

Are you a qualified ref or something by any chance? Seems like you''re suffering from the same kind of naivety.

 

Giving each other a pat on the back for naively thinking Williams was only attempting to clear a ball. That''s what frustrates players (and fans) when refs don''t understand what''s happening in the game.

 

 

[Mello Yello 2,572]

Although being a football ref is an unenviable task......experience counts for a lot. Just think the young fella referee maybe needs to ''get some in''......

 

Fast track isn''t always the answer......''life experiences'' and a degree in the ''University of Life'' - do occasionally overide youth and exuberance .....

 

Although, not always the case......(I might add)......Throwing someone in the deep-end sometimes works.