If Robert Chase had been Chairman right now....

[Herman 9,836]

Just to remind people,the current year is 2012.Ok[Y]

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[quote user="crabbycanary"][quote user="The Butler"]

You seemingly are desperate for a post from me Nutty for some strange reason, so here are my thoughts:

From South to Watling to Chase to Jones......From MacAulay to Bond to Brown to Walker to Lambert....From Bly to Cross to Dehan to Sutton to Holt....

The one thing that remains constant is Norwich City FC.

Whilst there are a dozen people to stand at the side of a pitch OUR club will still be there.

The club belongs to the fans and not the individuals that pass through, they are only fleeting shadows that leave a mark, some for longer than others, but still only fleeting.

For those that support our club from the terraces, on the internet, on radio or just from the newspapers or word of mouth, that support remains WHOEVER is in charge, managing or playing.

We have gone through periods of success, mediocrity and abject failure; we have lived through hope and shattered dreams. The one constant being our support of our club Norwich City.

So get a grip, if Holt goes someone will take his place.  Lambert has left then eventually a new hero will emerge. Supporting our club, like any supporter of any club, will take you through that rollercoaster of emotions, that’s what being a football supporter is all about.

Those emotions and that support, we hope, will still be felt long after our place is taken “at the side of the pitch” by the generations to come

Enjoy the success when you can, moan at the failure when it happens but whatever may befall our club will always come through.

OTBC

 

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What we fans get really peeved at, is when these people treat OUR Club with little respect. We all pay into OUR club, in a various ways, so in my eyes, it will always be OUR Club..

These people (players/managers etc) come in, we pay them well, we give them a great platform to perform on, and all we ask is they treat us (fans/Club) with the respect any right minded person would deserve. When that minimum request goes belly up, that''s when we kick off. You are right, current managers/players/employees, will be long gone one day, but Norwich City will still be here, as will our support.

[/quote]You are totally deluded if you think NCFC is OUR club.It''s Delia Smith''s club and everyone within football circles and the media knows it.Someone said on here recently that no one individual should ever be bigger than the club. Well.... clearly he''s missed the boat by about 15 years and this performance in watching Paul Lambert and iconic striker Grant Holt getting trashed shows it.

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With the greatest respect Clucker, you are a boring fu ker.

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[quote user="Ruddygore"]With the greatest respect Clucker, you are a boring fu ker.[/quote]With not the slightest modicum of interest runningsore.... who gives a feck what you think?Certainly not me.

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And yet you reply.

Case rested.

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[quote user="Cluck Nose."][quote user="Ruddygore"]With the greatest respect Clucker, you are a boring fu ker.[/quote]

With not the slightest modicum of interest runningsore.... who gives a feck what you think?

Certainly not me.
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MEGA LOL!

[Ruddygore 0]

And the monkey joins his grinder...

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[quote user="Ruddygore"]And the monkey joins his grinder...[/quote]

As you look in the mirror.

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[quote user="Ruddygore"]And the monkey joins his grinder...[/quote]No gang to back you up yet ulcerated wound?Oh dear.... [:''(]

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[quote user="Cluck Nose."][quote user="Ruddygore"]And the monkey joins his grinder...[/quote]No gang to back you up yet ulcerated wound?Oh dear.... [:''(][/quote]Do you use the same scriptwriters as the Crankies? Is Tangy the little one who receives?

[Jimmy Bone - Superstar 2]

When I saw RTC pulling up at Riverside during the week and struggling to park his car, I thought that maybe someone had turned the clock back 15 years and Big Bob was ready to make his comeback and ride to the rescue of the great NCFC! 

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]If shareholders (who held the majority of the votes) didn''t like Chase''s running of the club they could have voted against  his re election as a director or they could have called an EGM. and voted him out.  Thats a democracy.[/quote]

In 1998 Tangible an EGM was held at St Andrews Hall where Chase was defeated on a show of hands from the floor 110 to 98.A shareholding vote then took place and he was saved by The Trust ( remember in those days there were far less shares in circulation and they held a bigger influence than they do today) Geoffrey Watling,Gavin Patterson and Barry Lockwood.

When you need another history lesson please ask.

 

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]If shareholders (who held the majority of the votes) didn''t like Chase''s running of the club they could have voted against  his re election as a director or they could have called an EGM. and voted him out.  Thats a democracy.[/quote]

In 1998 Tangible an EGM was held at St Andrews Hall where Chase was defeated on a show of hands from the floor 110 to 98.A shareholding vote then took place and he was saved by The Trust ( remember in those days there were far less shares in circulation and they held a bigger influence than they do today) Geoffrey Watling,Gavin Patterson and Barry Lockwood.

When you need another history lesson please ask.

 

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Sorry 1998 should read 1988.

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Cluck Nose."] If Robert Chase had been Chairman right now....[/quote]We''d have the best stadium in the Unibond Premier League.[/quote]

Be fair, we never reached the third tier of football under his Chairmanship. 

[/quote]Selling off all our players, putting Megson in charge... if Chase was still Chairman today we''d look back on the glory days of League One.

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Cluck Nose."] If Robert Chase had been Chairman right now....[/quote]We''d have the best stadium in the Unibond Premier League.[/quote]

Be fair, we never reached the third tier of football under his Chairmanship. 

[/quote]Selling off all our players, putting Megson in charge... if Chase was still Chairman today we''d look back on the glory days of League One.[/quote]Based on what?Hounded out by the clamour to get a celebrity on board, compared to Smith and Co. being allowed to drag City into the Third Division for the fist time in 50 years?Smith just got lucky and it ain''t gonna happen again in her lifetime... so best she buggers off now before the rot sets in again.

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Shaker Maker"]Both Delias lot and the Chase lot have made mistakes- that is clear.

Why then does Robert Chase seem to be the only person to get criticism?


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" the Chase lot" now that is an interesting point.Now please tell me who exactly were the Chase lot? Chase was majority shareholder,.............

Now we have Delia as majority shareholder,....................Called me old fashioned but today we have a democracy and before smacks of a dictatorship.

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Chase was not a majority (i.e., over 50%) shareholder unlike Delia & MWJ.

I''ll leave others to comment on your idea of democracy when you hold less than 50% of the ordinary shares of NCFC.

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So Chase ran a democracy during his tenure did he ? Maybe you could tell us who else had an input into running the club apart from him then ? Jones with his 9% or the two puppets Paterson and Lockwood ?Do not forget his share gobbling up exercise or the midday AGM''s when virtually no shareholder was in a position to attend.

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If shareholders (who held the majority of the votes) didn''t like Chase''s running of the club they could have voted against  his re election as a director or they could have called an EGM. and voted him out.  Thats a democracy.

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In the forlorn hope that this may be debated without the usual pathetic insults heres a quote from Barry Lockwood : -

 

Challenged over the public perception that Chase previously exercised almost total control over the boardroom roost, Lockwood is once more almost alarmingly frank, if brief, in his response. "I''d say that was about right. He was the executive director who had to run the business his way to be effective. End of story."

Yet despite this admission, Lockwood, owner of a modest 3000 club shares, unhesitatingly states his case for the Chase-era directors to remain in office. "I don''t think people should invest in Norwich City to make money," he insists. "You should invest, just like Mr Watling, because it''s the club you support and love and one of the big advantages of this board is that we are not concerned about share values, enhancing share values and balance sheet values.

"We realise that we have a legal responsibility to the shareholders, but our primary concern is what happens on the pitch -- supporting the manager and reducing our overheads so money goes into the football side. We are returning it to a football club rather than a business and we are anxious for the supporters to become involved."

 

 

That statement throws up plenty of fuel for a decent debate if you''ve got the gumption Tangie.

 

 

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Ruddygore"]And the monkey joins his grinder...[/quote]

 

Standing on the corner

Passing time away

Tangie stood beside the organ grinder

Singing as he played

Tangie was the little monkey

With his little cup of tin

And he danced for joy when Preston put a penny in

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[quote user="Cluck Nose."]Hounded out by the clamour to get a celebrity on board........[/quote]Interesting! Delia didn''t join the board until a year later.Are you suggesting Watling was behind this plot then?ps. Wonder what he walleted when he sold her his shares?

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Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]In the forlorn hope that this may be debated without the usual pathetic insults......[/quote]Ha! [:S][quote user="Cluck Nose."]Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.[/quote]

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[quote user="Cluck Nose."]Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.[/quote]But Clucky, weren''t you the one who disappeared following my enquiry about your scriptwriters? Do tell, in private do you call Tangy Jeanette or is it maybe Elizabeth...?MEGALOL Tangy!

And now you are back, despite protestations that what I have to say interests you....not at all.PMSL matey.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,041]

I agree with The Butler, managers come, managers go, players come, players go etc. I am not sure why there is this need to blame somebody for Lambert leaving, if he comes out and says the reason he left is because the club went back on an agreement or would not back him with the money he needed then fair enough, at the moment there is so much hysteria, rumour and speculation flying around which people seem to be taking as fact. Chase was blamed at the time because of the information that came to light after O`Neill left, at the moment all that has happened is a very talented, young manager has decided that Aston Villa are the next stepping stone on his quest to reach the pinnacle of his chosen career, whether that be a top job here or elsewhere in Europe. Turning to Grant Holt we have a classic case of a player being "advised" by his agent that he can get a much better deal either at Norwich City or elsewhere (lining the agents pocket in the process), it is as simple as that..... The weather looks to be improving, we have the Jubilee celebrations in full swing, enjoy life while you can.......

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[quote user="Cluck Nose."]Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.[/quote]Just because a group of people share similar ideas, doesn''t make them a gang, or wrong.I''m sure plenty on here are perfectly capable of coming to their own conclusion about your incessant trolling and posting of deliberately polar opposite views just to stir up arguments.Your routine of :-1. Post contaversial view.2. Pick argument.3. Cry "Oh noez, forum gangs"4. Deliberately suck up to certain other idiots to garner "support"5. Slink off once you realise everyone thinks you''re an idiot.is wearing quite thin now.

[PurpleCanary 5,586]

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In the forlorn hope that this may be debated without the usual pathetic insults heres a quote from Barry Lockwood : -

 

Challenged over the public perception that Chase previously exercised almost total control over the boardroom roost, Lockwood is once more almost alarmingly frank, if brief, in his response. "I''d say that was about right. He was the executive director who had to run the business his way to be effective. End of story."

Yet despite this admission, Lockwood, owner of a modest 3000 club shares, unhesitatingly states his case for the Chase-era directors to remain in office. "I don''t think people should invest in Norwich City to make money," he insists. "You should invest, just like Mr Watling, because it''s the club you support and love and one of the big advantages of this board is that we are not concerned about share values, enhancing share values and balance sheet values.

"We realise that we have a legal responsibility to the shareholders, but our primary concern is what happens on the pitch -- supporting the manager and reducing our overheads so money goes into the football side. We are returning it to a football club rather than a business and we are anxious for the supporters to become involved."

 

 

That statement throws up plenty of fuel for a decent debate if you''ve got the gumption Tangie.

 

 

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I assume that is from the summer of 1996. Not sure it makes total sense, especially when talking about going back to being a football club rather than a business. Football clubs have to be run as businesees, with a balance sheet that adds up. The only question is whether they are well or badly run.

Lockwood is right to say the directors then were not worried about enhancing shares values for their own benefit, but then that hasn''t really changed. We were not a listed company then and are not now. The share price doesn''t go up and down according to the stock market''s perception of the way the business is performing. There is an argument that the better the club/company does the higher the directors can fix the share price (has it gone from £30 to £100?) but that is a much longer-term consideration, and even so the nominal (high) share price might bear little relation to what a potential buyer would be willing to pay.

As to democracy, the admission about Chase''s grip on power is unsurprising. Theoretically nothing has changed but in practice I am sure it has. For two reasons. Firstly, turning the company into a PLC means it is subject to greater scrutiny and accountability. Apart from anything else the Takeover Code applies. Secondly, a seven-person board of directors with a powerful chairman, a powerful chief executive, two highly-experienced majority shareholders and a highly-experienced deputy chairman is not a recipe for the kind of  total control by any one person that Lockwood portrays.

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It was 1996 Purple. And you are right, the quote opens up a lot more for debate than just how "Big Bad Bob" ran the club. We have strong willed executive directors now just as Chase was then. But now they are scrutinised and are part of a team. It''s interesting to look at what Delia had to say when they became Majority Shareholders : -

 

"Robert Chase was the all- singing, all-dancing [one of her favourite phrases] man, and everything revolved around him. What this board has tried to do is build a team."

 

 

Now during the intervening years we have had quite a few versions of thaqt team and all had some success. But that team ethos has remained throughout. And not just because the company is a PLC.

 

 

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The fact remains... Robert Chase gave City fans many great players and many wonderful years of unparalleled success, then only to be cast aside like an old cap by a ridiculouly over expectant, over-hyped fanbase. Never given a chance to redeem himself he is now shamelessly considered (by hear-say largely) a pariah.Followed by Delia Smith.... parachuted into the club after once following Ipswich...then after taking the club down to depths unseen for 50 years, she gets the chance to get lucky. Psuedo-administrators appointed and Paul Lambert and Grant Holt somehow save the cook''s blushes to give us Premier League football... only to get treated like dirt in return. Sounds familiar?Do we hear any discord regarding these same owners who cocked up before?  No.... it''s all Paul Lambert''s fault and Grant Holt is a Judas for simply wanting what he is due. Strip out the club loyalty element and it all stinks to high heaven. Still.... I''m sure Robert Chase is having a little chuckle about it all..... and why not eh?

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See, you can stay on topic, when you really try.[:)]

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But of course Delia Smith didn''t ever follow ipswich which kind of shows Cluckin'' Nora''s purpose on this board. In fact ironically Delia has been an active Norwich fan since 1969 and her husband and joint majority shareholder has been for much, much longer. So as you can easily work out that was way before Robert Chase was parachuted into the club. If Nora had any substance in these anti-Delia rants there would be no need for her to re-invent history to support them.

 

 

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="Cluck Nose."]Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.[/quote]Just because a group of people share similar ideas, doesn''t make them a gang, or wrong.I''m sure plenty on here are perfectly capable of coming to their own conclusion about your incessant trolling and posting of deliberately polar opposite views just to stir up arguments.Your routine of :-1. Post contaversial view.2. Pick argument.3. Cry "Oh noez, forum gangs"4. Deliberately suck up to certain other idiots to garner "support"5. Slink off once you realise everyone thinks you''re an idiot.is wearing quite thin now.[/quote]

If your interpretation of what ''trolling'' is, is the injection of humour, valid opinion, individualism and controversy into any given debate, then thank f*ck for trolls! This place would be defunct if it were to left to people all of the same mindset - would you be happy if nobody differed in their views and opinions?   

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[quote user="Shyster"][quote user="morty"][quote user="Cluck Nose."]Runningsore can feel safe now that the tricycle gang have duly assembled......Everyone ring their bell to let him know he can come out now.[/quote]Just because a group of people share similar ideas, doesn''t make them a gang, or wrong.I''m sure plenty on here are perfectly capable of coming to their own conclusion about your incessant trolling and posting of deliberately polar opposite views just to stir up arguments.Your routine of :-1. Post contaversial view.2. Pick argument.3. Cry "Oh noez, forum gangs"4. Deliberately suck up to certain other idiots to garner "support"5. Slink off once you realise everyone thinks you''re an idiot.is wearing quite thin now.[/quote]

If your interpretation of what ''trolling'' is, is the injection of humour, valid opinion, individualism and controversy into any given debate, then thank f*ck for trolls! This place would be defunct if it were to left to people all of the same mindset - would you be happy if nobody differed in their views and opinions?    [/quote]Some people are better at it than others, you deliberately wind folks up, but on the whole also have valid, well thought out opinions. Cluck lives in a strange fantasy world where he has decided there is a nasty gang of bullies here, and its his job to bully them in turn. Once in a blue moon he''ll post something sensible, but on the whole its just silly name calling and idiocy.