Britain's Gay Footballers

[a1canary 0]

I think some of us need something else to talk about other than the Sunderland game.

Watched this on iPlayer this evening (once i''d turned Goreham off) because of the obvious Norwich connection to Justin Fashanu, and it was presented by his rather lovely niece Amal Fashanu, daughter of John.

Really excellent and thought provoking documentary. Still shocking that in today''s society no footballer feels able to come out, for reasons ranging to fearing it will damage their transfer value because clubs might not want them, to certain managers not accepting it, to opposing fan reactions.

Quite moving too when she uncovers the way her own father reacted in 1990 to his brother coming out, saying in an interview he wouldn''t shower with Justin. With his own brother Ffs! When this was the experience of the first and only British pro footballer to come out, it''s no wonder that 22 year''s on not a single player has come out.

Pretty appalling state of affairs if you ask me and (another) poor reflection between football and society.

[a1canary 0]

Sorry sorry, fool me didn''t spot existing post on this. Glad others caught it and appreciated it.

[. 0]

Cashing in on a family tragedy to get her foot on the media ladder.....Leave him alone let''s just remember his goals.

[a1canary 0]

Wow, you really are something else.

She was 10 when her own uncle, vilified by his profession (and as it happens by her father) for coming out, committed suicide. No footballer has come out since. Don''t you think it''s ok to explore the myriad of issues the whole affair raises?

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[quote user="a1canary"]Wow, you really are something else.

She was 10 when her own uncle, vilified by his profession (and as it happens by her father) for coming out, committed suicide. No footballer has come out since. Don''t you think it''s ok to explore the myriad of issues the whole affair raises?[/quote]The media is full of relatives cashing in on family tragedies and issues, be it via books or whatever... Being 10 at the time I doubt she had very much to do with him on a day to day basis so naturally her views will rely largely on hearsay. I don''t care what his sexual orientation was and I think it''s a sad old world when it is an issue like this is deemed worth digging up after all this time.It''s like the recent ''Titanic'' survivors family get-together. What the feck was that all about? The nearest any of them got to flapping around in the sea was on the beach at Butlins.

[canarydan23 4,761]

I know you probably say most of what you do to get a rise out of people and if I or anyone else had any sense we would ignore your mindless, senseless, brainless ramblings.

However, I am going to rise to the bait and say you are an odious little pr!ck with a comparable amount of class and intelligence as a pile of horse sh!t.

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[quote user="canarydan23"]I know you probably say most of what you do to get a rise out of people and if I or anyone else had any sense we would ignore your mindless, senseless, brainless ramblings.

However, I am going to rise to the bait and say you are an odious little pr!ck with a comparable amount of class and intelligence as a pile of horse sh!t.[/quote]That''s your choice then sweetie.....Each to our own.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Sounds about right to me Dan[Y]

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

Why do some people have to look for bad in everything?[:^)]

[Shyster 0]

I knew John - trialled with City at the same time and spent many an hour socialising with him - of course John had it particularly hard (pardon the pun) because he was both black & Gay in a non-PC time when it was deemed acceptable to call an overweight person in the street, fatso, for instance. It was tragic how, through verbal abuse, John ended his life prematurely, but I have to question the validity of a debate about homophobia in football where these very PC days are concerned - are there really that many Gay & homophobic players to warrant this being an issue? 

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

[quote user="Shyster"]I knew John - trialled with City at the same time and spent many an hour socialising with him - of course John had it particularly hard (pardon the pun) because he was both black & Gay in a non-PC time when it was deemed acceptable to call an overweight person in the street, fatso, for instance. It was tragic how, through verbal abuse, John ended his life prematurely, but I have to question the validity of a debate about homophobia in football where these very PC days are concerned - are there really that many Gay & homophobic players to warrant this being an issue? 
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You''ve got the wrong brother there dude.  How well did you say you knew him?

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

[quote user="Shyster"]I knew John - trialled with City at the same time and spent many an hour socialising with him - of course John had it particularly hard (pardon the pun) because he was both black & Gay in a non-PC time when it was deemed acceptable to call an overweight person in the street, fatso, for instance. It was tragic how, through verbal abuse, John ended his life prematurely, but I have to question the validity of a debate about homophobia in football where these very PC days are concerned - are there really that many Gay & homophobic players to warrant this being an issue?  [/quote]

 

You''ve got the wrong brother there dude.  How well did you say you knew him?

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How temporarily embarrassing [img]http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/emoticons/emotion-10.gif[/img] Of course I meant Justin.

[Shyster 0]

I have fond memories of Justin:[img]http://lh3.ggpht.com/-92QZ8XV1kRQ/TnkebqDfn-I/AAAAAAAAABg/bkPyvwfKAC0/jf.jpg[/img]

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

Shyster wrote: are there really that many Gay & homophobic players to warrant this being an issue?

No. As we all know, there aren''t any. At any club in the country. And there haven''t been since Justin. So there clearly can''t be any problems with homophobia in football.

[a1canary 0]

Unbelievable isn''t it Robert. I think we have one significant cause of the problem laid out for all to see on this thread!

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[quote user="a1canary"]Unbelievable isn''t it Robert. I think we have one significant cause of the problem laid out for all to see on this thread![/quote]Unfortunately some of us just don''t like having it rammed down our throats....

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

[quote user="Paul Cluckbert"][quote user="a1canary"]Unbelievable isn''t it Robert. I think we have one significant cause of the problem laid out for all to see on this thread![/quote]

Unfortunately some of us just don''t like having it rammed down our throats....
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You''re hilarious.

 

FOYSC

[BW 0]

I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.

[a1canary 0]

Ahhh, it seems as though you''re not all that comfortable with a bit of ramming then Cluck!?

Ridiculous pathetic nonsense as it is to suggest this thread is forcing anything on our delicate cluck, it is an issue that needs tackling head on and maybe it needs ramming down some people''s throats. Even Joey Barton is able to understand and accept that. It''s not about Justin, it''s about football and society today.

[Ruddygore 0]

The lady doth protest too much....

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Ruddygore"]The lady doth protest too much....[/quote][Y]

[Nuff Said 5,960]

[quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

[quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.[/quote]

Football is a man''s game and no place for homosexuals in it.

Who would want to play in the same team as someone who gets off on looking at your dick in the shower?

Homosexuality is a psychological abnormality and should be treated as such.

[a1canary 0]

Keep rocking, you might get someone''s attention. Then again...

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]

Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.
[/quote] Football is a man''s game and no place for homosexuals in it. Who would want to play in the same team as someone who gets off on looking at your dick in the shower? Homosexuality is a psychological abnormality and should be treated as such.[/quote]

 

I''d like to know where you got that notion..

[Herman 11,136]

[quote user="a1canary"]Keep rocking, you might get someone''s attention. Then again...[/quote]

[:D]

[Nuff Said 5,960]

[quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.[/quote]

Football is a man''s game and no place for homosexuals in it.

Who would want to play in the same team as someone who gets off on looking at your dick in the shower?

Homosexuality is a psychological abnormality and should be treated as such.[/quote]It looks like this needs to be spelt out as simply as possible.Because people are nasty to the gays, the gays in football keep the fact they''re gay secret.So not only are they looking at your dick, you''ve no idea they''re doing it.

[. 0]

[quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.[/quote]

Football is a man''s game and no place for homosexuals in it.

Who would want to play in the same team as someone who gets off on looking at your dick in the shower?

Homosexuality is a psychological abnormality and should be treated as such.[/quote]It looks like this needs to be spelt out as simply as possible.Because people are nasty to the gays, the gays in football keep the fact they''re gay secret.So not only are they looking at your dick, you''ve no idea they''re doing it.[/quote]I think this is a good opportunity for the gay posters on here to ''come out'' too.I won''t take the p155 and I''m sure you will receive the utmost understanding and respect from us all.Come on.... let''s be ''avin you... to coin an iconic phrase.  [Y]

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Ahhh but...

 

If a gay poster takes a wife is he no longer gay?

 

I keep asking Bly but he''s shy about it..

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="BW"]I agree with you Cluck. It happened how long ago? And now shes someone without a decent job in this economy she looks awfully desperate for some type of fame here. Society and the youth today make me sick if this had happened in my family we would of moved on by now and forgetting the hurt that this suicide had caused not throwing it into the limelight and getting the odd dollar here and there for it.[/quote]Thanks BW. Up till now I had kept an open mind on you, thinking possibly you were just a little naive and enjoyed attention a bit too much, but now you''ve cleared that up. You are obviously a self-centred tw*t with both a complete lack of empathy for any other human being and an astounding ability to miss the point.[/quote]

Football is a man''s game and no place for homosexuals in it.

Who would want to play in the same team as someone who gets off on looking at your dick in the shower?

Homosexuality is a psychological abnormality and should be treated as such.[/quote]It looks like this needs to be spelt out as simply as possible.Because people are nasty to the gays, the gays in football keep the fact they''re gay secret.So not only are they looking at your dick, you''ve no idea they''re doing it.[/quote]

Being Gay isn''t a serious medical condition that requires remedies and/or peoples sympathy - it''s a lifestyle. If I chose to dress in women''s clothing I would no doubt come in for much ridicule, but I would have to except the ridicule because it was my choice to dress in women''s clothing. Ginger people get ridiculed all the time, but it wasn''t a lifestyle choice to be born with ginger hair - if ginger people can get on in life with all the stick they get, why can''t Gay folk take it? Why should Gay people be an exception? I think Gay people thrive on the attention to be honest.