Doc in the Dock

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I''ve praised him up this season but I have finally got round to watching the Swindon goals and Doc really got caught flat footed and failed to attack the ball, the equaliser was down to his poor marking I''m afraid.

I associate this area of the game as one of his strengths so I''m sorry Gary but it was your error.

I do believe, however, the shock of conceeding this late goal will nicely galvanise our players for the visit of Leeds.

[Howson is now! 1]

Doc really got caught flat footed and failed to attack the ball - Agreed

The equaliser was down to his poor marking - Agreed

I associate this area of the game as one of his strengths - Agreed

The shock of conceeding this late goal will nicely galvanise our players for the visit of Leeds - Agreed

Happy with a point and more than happy with Doc''s appearances this season so will just put it down as a blip.

[LinkNR9 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]I''ve praised him up this season but I have finally got round to watching the Swindon goals and Doc really got caught flat footed and failed to attack the ball, the equaliser was down to his poor marking I''m afraid. I associate this area of the game as one of his strengths so I''m sorry Gary but it was your error. I do believe, however, the shock of conceeding this late goal will nicely galvanise our players for the visit of Leeds.[/quote]

Yep, he''s made a mistake.

But when Holt misses an open goal or a midfielder sends a pass into the stands, nobody opens a post to criticise about it. 

If the midfield / attack had kept hold of the ball better for a couple of minutes in injury time, we wouldn''t have conceded the corner in the first place.   

[freddyf105 0]

I thought oher than that last minute mistake he played well, he won all his headers and made a few good strong tackles today.

[freddyf105 0]

i mean yesterday!!

[blahblahblah 2]

I thought you knew better than to start having a go at players for a lack of concentration in the 93rd minute of a game Rude.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

He had a very good game yesterday but blotted his copybook a little with that - but still, it''s not like he makes loads of errors is it?  It''s not like anyone has...

[vos 176]

After having such a good season I think it is really daft to criticise the doc for this goal. With so much jostling and shirt pulling going on from corners you just cannot fully cover every player. Lets accept it was an excellently taken corner just too far out for keeper to claim but perfect height for a big tall centre half.

If we ourselves took more corners like this i.e. Lappin, then Nelson and the Doc would surely get on the end of more. I do not particularly agree that Lappin consistently takes good corners.

[birchfest 401]

Have to say having seen the highlights, the Doc was at fault and that goal could probably have been avioded, but on the plus side its something to get the team worked up about and pumped in preperation for  Leeds on saturday... point to prove and Gary himself will want to put it right! On wards and up wards.

[LinkNR9 0]

Have looked at the goal again and it seems like he simply lost his footing on the wet pitch. Annoyinh, but just one of those things.

[Indy_Bones 444]

[quote user="LinkNR9"]Yep, he''s made a mistake.

But when Holt misses an open goal or a midfielder sends a pass into the stands, nobody opens a post to criticise about it.[/quote]That''s because misses don''t cost you games.

If the strikers don''t score and we don''t concede we get a point, if the striker doesn''t score and we do concede we get nothing - that''s the difference.

Whilst we obviously want to score without conceding for the full 3 points, it''s far more damaging to get no points than to get a single point which you can do without scoring - but not without keeping a clean sheet.

This is why many posters are often more criticial of keepers and defenders, as their mistakes tend to cost goals, whereas a strikers miss doesn''t...

[Salopian 1]

- Second failure like this in two matches, in fact it has been a problem for several seasons - goals scored by defenders who have come up for set pieces.

Doc was found wanting, but we would expect him to be marking the strikers. We should have had Holt and Elliott back for the big defenders who come up, but whoever does it, they clearly have to sort it out.

[Chip20 71]

Can anybody point me to a defender in the professional game who doesn''t occasionally make a mistake that leads to a goal being scored?

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="Chip20"]Can anybody point me to a defender in the professional game who doesn''t occasionally make a mistake that leads to a goal being scored?[/quote]

Yes HERE HERE and Chris Martin should be dropped for hitting the bar and the back of the net

[marvin the martian 0]

I remember Hoolahan mislaying a pass last November, he should have been sold for that.

[Guest]

[quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="LinkNR9"]Yep, he''s made a mistake.

But when Holt misses an open goal or a midfielder sends a pass into the stands, nobody opens a post to criticise about it.[/quote]That''s because misses don''t cost you games.

If the strikers don''t score and we don''t concede we get a point, if the striker doesn''t score and we do concede we get nothing - that''s the difference.

Whilst we obviously want to score without conceding for the full 3 points, it''s far more damaging to get no points than to get a single point which you can do without scoring - but not without keeping a clean sheet.

This is why many posters are often more criticial of keepers and defenders, as their mistakes tend to cost goals, whereas a strikers miss doesn''t...

[/quote]Yeah, 46 points a season would be a blinding return too. [:$] Anyone remember some of JC''s misses last season? I would go as far as saying they cost us games!Disappointing from Doc, but I find it hard to be too critical of him, especially given that it was a slip on the skiddy turf. Unfortunately for us, these things happen - and I can''t remember him making more than a handful of mistakes all season. Given the amount of games he has started, that is really quite impressive.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

"RUDOLPH HUCKER"]I''ve praised him up this season but I have finally got round to watching the Swindon goals and Doc really got caught flat footed and failed to attack the ball, the equaliser was down to his poor marking I''m afraid. I associate this area of the game as one of his strengths so I''m sorry Gary but it was your error. I do believe, however, the shock of conceeding this late goal will nicely galvanise our players for the visit of Leeds.

Yep, he''s made a mistake.

But when Holt misses an open goal or a midfielder sends a pass into the stands, nobody opens a post to criticise about it. 

If the midfield / attack had kept hold of the ball better for a couple of minutes in injury time, we wouldn''t have conceded the corner in the first place.  

Correct!

You could also say that if Martin would of scored or Elliot from his chance then windons late equalizer would of been just a consolation!

Before the Huddersfield and Swindon games we''d of took 4 points from them!

[Webbo118 0]

[quote user="Salopian"]- Second failure like this in two matches, in fact it has been a problem for several seasons - goals scored by defenders who have come up for set pieces. Doc was found wanting, but we would expect him to be marking the strikers. We should have had Holt and Elliott back for the big defenders who come up, but whoever does it, they clearly have to sort it out.[/quote]

Doesn''t automatically follow. It''s decided well before the game who will be marking who, who is on the posts, who is guarding the front of the six yard box, etc, etc. If Doc is allocated the big centre back at corners and free-kicks, that''s who he marks.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Interesting responses and all generally supportive of Doc; and rightly so.

When I posted my ''Doc in the Frame'' thread praising him after the Walsall away game the response was very different.

Has Doc more generally won people over as he did when he won the PotS? Or has dissent and criticism been extinguished?

How fickle supporters are.

[Indy_Bones 444]

[quote user="I.S."]Yeah, 46 points a season would be a blinding return too. [:$] Anyone remember some of JC''s misses last season? I would go as far as saying they cost us games![/quote]I''d take 46 points over 0 every single season, or were you deliberately missing the point of my initial response???If the strikers don''t perform and the defence does, then at worst we''d get 46 points for the season, however even if the strikers do perform but the defence don''t, we could walk away from a game with nothing, hence why it''s often defensive errors that generally prove more costly that striker misses.It''s also not a coincidence that generally the teams who finish in the top 4-5 places each season usually have the best defensive records, there are odd occurences where this isn''t the case (such as our famous 3rd place Prem finish), but outside of these, it''s normally a strong defence that gives results over a season.