Don't get it

[Camuldonum 0]

As all know I''m not a Norwich City fan although I''ve just spent £36 in your club shop on behalf of someone who is and is pretty depressed about it.

Norwich are clearly going through a rough time like many other clubs, past and present.

When your club is going through a bad patch surely that is when all supporters need to stick together?  However bad it gets.

Rams supporters last season were a good example.  Ridiculed in virtually every game in the Premier (not something Norwich had to experience) they won plaudits from virtually every team they played by their reluctance to give in and to stand by their fairly hopeless team as the goals rattled in.  Dreadful defeats some of them but they were usually there, still cheering to the end, usually against all the odds.

As it turned out they were hopelessly outclassed.  But I don''t think the fans were and, not faced with something like that, I cannot understand how some of you wish such ill upon your club whether it is by wishing your opponents to win or making personal attacks upon the Manager or the Shareholders.  None of this will improve your results on the field and you have no control over that (my opinion).

I support Lincoln City and Colchester United (Lincoln first because we have bugger all money and extremely unlikely to get any) but when a club is in trouble I simply don''t understand how some can simply turn their back and walk away.

Perhaps someone could explain it?  Don''t bother with the European stuff of the past.

This is now.  How can you bail out when your club is in trouble?

[Bury Yellow 2]

Cam, you''re on this board on a regular basis, do we really have to explain yet again?

You''re on a wind up right?

All the best

One of the 24000

[Indy_Bones 444]

Camul,Most of the frustration is from seeing very obvious errors in tactics and team selections virtually every week, knowing full well what the better options would be, yet being powerless to get the change enforced.On another thread I''ve pointed out that based on minutes played, Lupoli is averaging a goal roughly every 1.47 games or so, yet despite this, he''s spent most of the season on the bench whilst the hugely ineffective Sibierski has been given the nod.Decisions like this simply anger us as fans, particularly when we try to raise our concerns to the manager, and receive aggressive, arrogant or condescending replies in return.I was a big supporter of Roeder''s appointment, and still feel he''s made some good signings with limited funds, but there''s no point getting good players in if you''re simply not going to play them, especially when far worse options are getting the games.The difference in situations between us and Derby is that they knew that they had a poor side and virtually no chance of staying up, and changing squad members around wouldn''t have made a big difference, in our case it could.Most of us don''t want our club to suffer, and even some of the most vociferous of those raising arguments about the board/manager only have the clubs best interests at heart, but if getting behind the team by having arguably the finest set of supporters of which most are season ticket holders doesn''t help, and making insightful comments to relevant members of the NCFC staff about concerns doesn''t help, what other options are really left? Sit quietly and watch while poor decision after poor decision destroys a once great club? I think not, and that''s why so many are upset.I''d be more unhappy if no-one gave a damn about the problems than at least having so many fans vocalise their issues and concerns.Indy.

[still holding out for new heroes 0]

In a word disenfranchisement.

Players who aren''t ours, a manager who has no respect for the fans, none of our own kids coming through, players we own and relate to edged out at the expense of kids on loan(Drury / Otsemobor), our heroes (Hucks) treated with contempt, no players that are ''worth the admission money'' no hope of things getting better. It''s not the league position, the football on offer or the lack of money, it''s the fact I just don''t recognise this club anymore.

You''re being a bit hypocritical Cam in my opinion, how many times have you put your hand in your pocket to watch Colchester or Lincoln this season?

[gazzathegreat 0]

Cam I am sorry I can''t do links on here, but I would love to drag up the post I did re the NCISA feedback - however there are multitudes of posts on here you can read and reasons for why some of us have stopped going, and in varying degrees why some of us can no longer bear to watch. I am sure you will get many replies to your question and many reasons and answers.

I take your point re the Derby fans, I think I can safely say I have been to many away games (in particular - this is where I have seen the heaviest defeats). Some simply mind numbing and inexcusable games where the team don''t deserve any fans cheering, but they still got support. I will have to drag up some of the past for this, otherwise how can I explain it to you? The past is the past, and hopefully something to learn from. Something to attach some importance to and to form a yardstick for the future from.

I remember a run of games under Worthington where we had some abysmal defeats and we still backed the team. I remember the day at Cardiff, a defeat where the team were supported like they had won. Simply amazing support even though we had lost out on going up to the Premiership. Similar scenes at Fulham and that day we have never recovered from.

Yes, fans boo players when things aren''t going well. Some simply say enough is enough and walk away. Are you seriously telling me this never happens at Lincoln or Colchester? Or any club for that matter. It''s impossible to measure who are the ''best fans'' as no two teams experience identical results, performances etc at the same time.

There is serious anxiety, depression and anger amongst a great many long term City fans Cam. Some people I have known for years are seriously thinking of jacking it all in. Everyone has their cut off point, a level they cannot tolerate.

Our club has been in trouble for a few years now, let''s say for instance since relegation, although I am sure we could make a case for even before this. Still though we get a good number of fans at games, especially away games. 1600 at Forest for a TV game for example. It''s not wonderful football that keeps us coming Cam, that is sometimes evident, sometimes not, but you can''t depend on it, it''s not consistent. What is consistent though are thousands of City fans who are sticking by their team. Thousands who hurt and don''t know where to turn but still turn up for games and sing and support.

Of course you have detractors. I am sure we are not alone in that.

As for the European stuff of the past. That was our proud moment, a moment in time which cemented a lot of the current fanbase to our club, my kids included, they were lucky to be around at the right time. Proud historic moments (and there have been plenty) keep us going. It binds us to the club, a cup run, a do or die win against a bigger club, coming back from 3-0 down say....

We have had knocks, we have been seriously mis managed and thrown condescending scraps from the top table, we have been served up a succession of under achieving managers, and lost the heart and soul of our club (we don''t even have many of our own players anymore). But still we have practically full gates.

Is that a sign of a club where the supporters are all not supporting? Seriously? Even so there is only so much grief every fan can take, I don''t blame anyone for walking away. Not one of them. We all have our breaking points.

[Clever Farke 75]

Well you could have said the same thing about Norwich fans (and team as well for the first part of the season) during our brief stay in the prem. Praised up and down the country. I would like to see how Derby fans will back their team if they have to suffer a furher 4 years of Championship football without a glimmer of hope and with a board, management and playing staff as hopeless as ours. It is because our supporters care about the club that matters will come to a head sooner rather than later. It is not time to stick together, it is time to boot out those who are responsible for the mess.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Camuldonum"]

As all know I''m not a Norwich City fan although I''ve just spent £36 in your club shop on behalf of someone who is and is pretty depressed about it.

Norwich are clearly going through a rough time like many other clubs, past and present.

When your club is going through a bad patch surely that is when all supporters need to stick together?  However bad it gets.

Rams supporters last season were a good example.  Ridiculed in virtually every game in the Premier (not something Norwich had to experience) they won plaudits from virtually every team they played by their reluctance to give in and to stand by their fairly hopeless team as the goals rattled in.  Dreadful defeats some of them but they were usually there, still cheering to the end, usually against all the odds.

As it turned out they were hopelessly outclassed.  But I don''t think the fans were and, not faced with something like that, I cannot understand how some of you wish such ill upon your club whether it is by wishing your opponents to win or making personal attacks upon the Manager or the Shareholders.  None of this will improve your results on the field and you have no control over that (my opinion).

I support Lincoln City and Colchester United (Lincoln first because we have bugger all money and extremely unlikely to get any) but when a club is in trouble I simply don''t understand how some can simply turn their back and walk away.

Perhaps someone could explain it?  Don''t bother with the European stuff of the past.

This is now.  How can you bail out when your club is in trouble?

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We''ll have your ''ex'' Chief Exec......I wonder why she really left?

[Shyster 0]

Do you speed read peoples posts that express as to why they are unhappy without actually absorbing their content because you solely like the sound of your own trap? Commendations to you for not bailing out and giving your clubs 100% support (well, 50% each maybe) through the rough and the um........well, rough times, and special accolades bestowed upon your fine self for paying top dollar to watch them [:P] but please be serious for a moment and try to understand that expectations are always going to be higher at NCFC than Lincoln and bleedin'' Colchester.Have the faithful Colchester fans half-filled their spanking, new stadium yet?

[Barclay_Boy 0]

[quote user="still holding out for new heroes"]

In a word disenfranchisement.

Players who aren''t ours, a manager who has no respect for the fans, none of our own kids coming through, players we own and relate to edged out at the expense of kids on loan(Drury / Otsemobor), our heroes (Hucks) treated with contempt, no players that are ''worth the admission money'' no hope of things getting better. It''s not the league position, the football on offer or the lack of money, it''s the fact I just don''t recognise this club anymore.

You''re being a bit hypocritical Cam in my opinion, how many times have you put your hand in your pocket to watch Colchester or Lincoln this season?

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summed up perfectly, thanks

[Shyster 0]

How many Colchester fans can you get in a mini?One - and he''s on his way to a home match.

[lucky green trainers 0]

its all about expectation cam - the punters will tolerate losing/relegation if there''s a reasonable chance of relegation...this season, those same ram fans you talk about - reasonably expect a good showing and to be challenging for promotion - are the derby faithful happy punters thus far with their showing in the champs to date???personally - i expect NCFC to be challenging for the top6 every season...anything less is failure in my view...but clearly, morale is bad among city fans at the mo - many were extremely peed off with roedy''s agm performance - and that at the very least, after enduring failure each season, their loyalty to the club should see them rewarded with respect by the manager...people don''t like being taken for mugs - and for many, it may be the final straw come ST renewal time,,,the club looks to be lurching like a stricken oil tanker - having lost the ability to steer any sort of direction...and in the vacuum created, it seems many have lost spirit and fight - there seems to be a general air of resignation about our situation, of which apathy appears to be the only beneficiary...it seems to me, that just as the board have tried to be cleverer to compete in this league, they found a soulmate in roedy, who also tries to be cleverer - but the gambles by both haven''t come off...we''re skint and the off-field activities appear to have draind the club rather than refinance it,,,  while roedy makes clever team selections and tactics that appear over complicated, and at time baffling...the moral for both must be; if you''re going to be different, it must be seen to work - cos if it doesn''t you look a fool, and any support you might have enjoyed, can quickly fade...

[Camuldonum 0]

[quote user="Bury Yellow"]Cam, you''re on this board on a regular basis, do we really have to explain yet again? You''re on a wind up right? All the best One of the 24000[/quote]

No I am not on a wind up.  I don''t do those.  I wonder why when your club is in the deeps so many seem to want to walk away, in one way or another.

[Camuldonum 0]

[quote user="still holding out for new heroes"]

In a word disenfranchisement.

Players who aren''t ours, a manager who has no respect for the fans, none of our own kids coming through, players we own and relate to edged out at the expense of kids on loan(Drury / Otsemobor), our heroes (Hucks) treated with contempt, no players that are ''worth the admission money'' no hope of things getting better. It''s not the league position, the football on offer or the lack of money, it''s the fact I just don''t recognise this club anymore.

You''re being a bit hypocritical Cam in my opinion, how many times have you put your hand in your pocket to watch Colchester or Lincoln this season?

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I am a season ticket holder for both Colchester and Lincoln for many years and will be next season as well.

I also wrote a very large cheque, along with many others, to stop Lincoln City going out of extinction, not into adminstration.

[Shyster 0]

[quote]I also wrote a very large cheque, along with many others, to stop Lincoln City going out of extinction, not into adminstration.[/quote]

Bully for you!Care to throw a large enough cheque our way to rid of Roeder beings you''re so interested in this clubs activities?

[Fuglestad 0]

[quote user="shyster"][quote]I also wrote a very large cheque, along with many others, to stop Lincoln City going out of extinction, not into adminstration.[/quote]

Bully for you!Care to throw a large enough cheque our way to rid of Roeder beings you''re so interested in this clubs activities?[/quote]

There is no need to mock this statement. It is absolutely tragic that some of these clubs are going out of existence, and Norwich City''s problems are tiny in comparison.

If you want success don''t support Norwich, we will never play in Europe again, it is unlikely we will consistantly play in the Premiership year after year. Welcome to the football league.

The real enemy isn''t Delia Smith, if you really want to protest for change, take a day trip down to Soho Square and throw eggs at Dave Richards, Richard Scumamore and co. Football league fans need to unite together if there is going to be change, not whine because Hull got lucky and are having their spell in the sun, just like Reading, Ipswich, Charlton....

The whole structure is f***ed, even the supposed 20 million wouldn''t make a blind bit of difference in the long term.

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

If you''ve never had it then you don''t know what you''re missing.

QED

Simple.

OTBC