What's happenen to tackling?

[The Great Drinkell 51]

Having watched most/a lot of Euro 2008 the one thing that has struck me is how often a fair tackle is either blown as a foul after the tackled player feins injury  when the ball has clearly been won, or the player who has been tackled falls over and the play is stopped for treatment to the "uninjured" player.

 I think we ought to start a campaign that only a head injury warrants the play being stopped, if in the opinion of the referee there has been no offence committe. Maybe we could reintroduce the advantage law so the defender who deliberately fouls to slow/stop play gains no advantage.

 I know it''s a bit old fashioned but the Croatia v Turkey game was a joke - consttant whistle blowing, and wasn''t it a Itallian who was tackled fell off the pitch then rolled back over the line for the ref to stop the game? pathetic.

[NCFC_Thain 0]

[quote user="The Great Drinkell"]

Having watched most/a lot of Euro 2008 the one thing that has struck me is how often a fair tackle is either blown as a foul after the tackled player feins injury  when the ball has clearly been won, or the player who has been tackled falls over and the play is stopped for treatment to the "uninjured" player.

 I think we ought to start a campaign that only a head injury warrants the play being stopped, if in the opinion of the referee there has been no offence committe. Maybe we could reintroduce the advantage law so the defender who deliberately fouls to slow/stop play gains no advantage.

 I know it''s a bit old fashioned but the Croatia v Turkey game was a joke - consttant whistle blowing, and wasn''t it a Itallian who was tackled fell off the pitch then rolled back over the line for the ref to stop the game? pathetic.

[/quote]It was never taken away

[The Great Drinkell 51]

NCFC_thain,

I know it''s not been taken away legally - I just think it would be nice to start using it again!

[Grif 0]

I agree that a good crunching tackle now seems to have been outlawed in the game. It''s a shame really and it starts to get so frustrating when watching football sometimes, particularly at large tournaments, every other tackle is a foul! Let the men play like men please.

[Kissthebadge 0]

The problem is that ''simulation'' is such an art form now that it''s hard to tell. 

You can see what looks like a really nasty tackle, which upon replay shows  little or no contact with the man. 

It''s the cheating that needs to be outlawed.  Of course, the ref cannot keep stopping the action for every questionable foul.  However, if the authorities that be start clamping down on ''simulation'' after gathering video evidence and throw a match ban at repeat offenders, it might just help the situation.

[Buncey 1]

I think the refs have been pretty good in this tournament. Most of the time. The croatia match was definitely an exception. I do agree about the simulation. It is quite frankly annoying. Either you are injured or your not. If your not, then feigning injury to win free-kicks and get the other team booked is cheating and sould warrent a booking.

[BIC 0]

 The players should be under instruction to keep the ball in play when someone goes down. If they''re seriously injured then the ref can stop play immediately.HOw many times do we see the ball kicked out for some very slight injury?On a slightly different note, wasn''t it Platini, now head of UEFA, who years ago was trying to promote football with no tackles "to encourage creative players".It used to be a man''s game, but nowadays I wonder watching all the tears and children rolling around in agony and I don''t think its likely to be getting any better in the future. God fobid I might have to start watching rugby

[Rum Ol Boy 0]

bring back the likes of Carl Bradshaw.........bloody tackle machine!

[Sing Up The South Stand 0]

I remember the other week, Phil Scolari admitted he actively encourages his teams to simulate and stuff to get decisions in their favour (will go well at Chelski then).  That can''t help, are you really gonna disobey your manager?  Fair enough at a club if it bothered you enough you could leave, but are you really going to refuse to play for your country?

I''m not defending players at all, they stil don''t have to and it is disgusting how they''re all just a load of wimps (I wouldn''t even say that, since they know they not injured they just cheating), but if you''re under pressure from your manager must make it hard.  It''s also just the nature of other leagues, maybe it''s always happened but just not generally here.

Another argument, but with the amount of money involved in the game today and the pressure to win, is it surprising that teams will try to gain an advantage by whatever means necessary?  Is it surprising manager''s encourage players to cheat, when at the end of the day their job is constantly on the line, we know how fine the line is between success and failure these days?

[Shack Attack 0]

I don''t really think Euro 2008 could have been improved if only there were a few more bone crunching tackles to be honest. I see where you''re coming from but I''d rather see good footballers allowed to play the game without worrying about some clogger trying to break their legs every time they get the ball. A lot of the tackles you deem as ''fair'' are quite often from behind or with studs showing, both of which are fouls.As for diving, cheating and simulatiuon (are they all the same thing?), they''re part of the game and always have been. We like to think that it''s a foreign problem but English players are just as bad, witness the antics of Gerrard and Joe Cole. We do seem to be more concerned with it that supporters of other nations though and I''m not really sure why?

[First Wazzock 1,010]

[quote user="sig"]

The problem is that ''simulation'' is such an art form now that it''s hard to tell. 

You can see what looks like a really nasty tackle, which upon replay shows  little or no contact with the man. 

It''s the cheating that needs to be outlawed.  Of course, the ref cannot keep stopping the action for every questionable foul.  However, if the authorities that be start clamping down on ''simulation'' after gathering video evidence and throw a match ban at repeat offenders, it might just help the situation.

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This is a good post Sig.

The root of the problem is money....Winning is everything, losing not an option.

I thought the refereeing was poor in the whole contest. Where there was a questionable tackle, the referees were not close enough (poor fitness) to the action to make a good decision, and on some occaisions the assistants were on top of the incident but didn''t flag and help the ref. The niggly stuff which spoils the game and should be carded wasn''t. Just look where the throw ins are taken from compared to where the ball leaves the field, encroachment at free kicks, 6 second possession (ball in hands) for goalies - none of these things are being picked up. While we continue to allow a game to last for 60 minutes actual football and 30 minutes lost time, the time wasting will get worse. Have the fourth offical time the game, and lets get our moneys worth.

[Camuldonum 0]

Here''s some tackling.  Kerry in the yellow.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-eVAyRwQjsI

[NCFC_Thain 0]

[quote user="The Great Drinkell"]

NCFC_thain,

I know it''s not been taken away legally - I just think it would be nice to start using it again!

[/quote]It is used more often than people think, the majority of fans won''t notice when the referee has played it. 95% of the things referees do are either missed or misunderstood by the spectator (and yes I am a referee myself)

[SWP = Poor Mans Ruel Fox!! 0]

Simulation is part and parcel of the game now i am afraid, none of the authorities seem willing to do anything about it and so we slowly move towards a non-contact sport.

The biggest sign of intend from UEFA was before this tournament when Platini came out saying using video evidence after the game to punish divers would not be right as it is an art, or something to that effect.  Not surprising seeing as he was a diver himself in his day.  We need retrospective punishment but just not gonna happen.

I agree this isnt just a foreign problem, some English players are as bad now, its endemic.

[Syteanric 1]

thats foreign refs for you.. why do u think Howard Webb has only had 1 game and all the other refs 2 or 3?

jas :)