i want reponsibility to expect promotion - says roeder.

[lucky green trainers 0]

"I want that responsibility where we are expected to win promotion"sure, we all do glen - but unless you''ve got a realistic budget, and £2-3m ain''t it, my expectation is that your job will be to secure safety, first, then aim for top6.   i doubt if any city fan expects promotion anymore - hope, and a diminishing hope as the years roll by - is rationally we''ve all got.cos how could the club hand roeder anything less than £7-10m and say ''glen, we expect you to gain promotion.''  not gonna happen - sorry roeder - if you think otherwise, and need that big club pressure, you won''t get it here. (thats roeders excuse for bailing out later if a better offer comes around probably).i want is not the same as i have - so looks like its over to you mumby.  the boy wants the responsibility to deliver prem footy to a prem equiped club in terms of facilities, crowd, set-up.  just the money now ole son.   can the board cough up, and Match the ambition of his manager and staff??? cos glens thrown down the gauntlet.  the summer will tell.  

[Carrow89 182]

" the boy wants the responsibility to deliver prem footy to a prem equiped club in terms of facilities, crowd, set-up.  just the money now ole son."Perhaps you could explain to us all how we acquired that " prem equiped club ".Or maybe how Charlton, with no recent outlay on their facilities and having the " money now ole son" with their parachute payments, are just about scraping into the playoffs.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

Good to see that Mr Wright is back and refreshed from his recent jaunt to Spain.....how are you Mr Doncaster?

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]" the boy wants the responsibility to deliver prem footy to a prem equiped club in terms of facilities, crowd, set-up.  just the money now ole son."Perhaps you could explain to us all how we acquired that " prem equiped club ".Or maybe how Charlton, with no recent outlay on their facilities and having the " money now ole son" with their parachute payments, are just about scraping into the playoffs.[/quote]sorry ralph - thats dinosaur thinking - break even models are history, if you have genuine and credible prem ambitions.  glen cited prem facilities, prem crowd, prem set-up - but didn''t mention ''prem budget''.  funny that.   thats HIS challenge to the board ralph - to supply a budget that enables him to have an expectation of delivering prem footy.   whats more, its a public challenge - let alone what roeder has been saying behind closed doors.   with 15 players leaving - our club is at an historic low in terms of squad size and quality.  any true norwich city fan should be very concenred at that fact, but equally also relieved that we have someone of the calibre of glen roeder in charge of the re-building process.  glen, quite rightly, becuase he is a proper football man, is ambitious - and wants a fair budget to achieve this aim.  surely, any right thinking city fan should be pleased as punch we have such a man at the helm of our club, and that we should all be expecting the board to supply a credible budget to help him deliver success on the pitch.the only time we were successful in the last 10 years, was by bringing extra investment into the club via the share issues - enabling us to bring in prem quality loanees and signings, and guess what we got promoted!!!  investing extra money into the team above and beyond break even is the only recent successful model NCFC can point to - and thats a fact.

 

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

This summer will well and truly match the boards card.  Will they be prudent, or ambitious.  This is why I love being a Norwich fan, anticipation, heartache, excitement, anger, frustration.  We get the lot here.....Come on board, back him and give us loyal fans a right royal treat for a change.

[Carrow89 182]

"Good to see that Mr Wright is back and refreshed from his recent jaunt to Spain.....how are you Mr Doncaster?"Blimey ,I''m being heckled by a hill billy. Oddly enough Mr Doncaster was stood behind me for much of the 2nd half against Blackpool. Slid out from one of the corporate boxes I shouldn''t wonder.As to ''trainers chap'', your post is such a mess of contradictory twaddle it''s hardly worth a reply

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]"Good to see that Mr Wright is back and refreshed from his recent jaunt to Spain.....how are you Mr Doncaster?"Blimey ,I''m being heckled by a hill billy. Oddly enough Mr Doncaster was stood behind me for much of the 2nd half against Blackpool. Slid out from one of the corporate boxes I shouldn''t wonder.As to ''trainers chap'', your post is such a mess of contradictory twaddle it''s hardly worth a reply[/quote]in my book ralph - only a binner would try to discredit another poster presenting a case for supporting the prem ambition of mr. glen roeder!?!

[Mr.Carrow 394]

Nice try LGT, but you won`t get more than a couple of sentences of petty sniping out of our ralphy.  As far as the likes of him are concerned the club could plant biofuel crops on the pitch and use the stands as open-air casinos and he would support it.  After all, this football malarkey is just way too difficult and costly to bother with.  Thank goodness these tunnel-visioned muppets are in the minority.

[Scooby 0]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]Nice try LGT, but you won`t get more than a couple of sentences of petty sniping out of our ralphy.  As far as the likes of him are concerned the club could plant biofuel crops on the pitch and use the stands as open-air casinos and he would support it.  After all, this football malarkey is just way too difficult and costly to bother with.  Thank goodness these tunnel-visioned muppets are in the minority.[/quote]

Thankfully there''s more of us "pro Norwich City Football Club" than there are whingeing anti-everything doom mongers.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Scooby"]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]Nice try LGT, but you won`t get more than a couple of sentences of petty sniping out of our ralphy.  As far as the likes of him are concerned the club could plant biofuel crops on the pitch and use the stands as open-air casinos and he would support it.  After all, this football malarkey is just way too difficult and costly to bother with.  Thank goodness these tunnel-visioned muppets are in the minority.[/quote]

Thankfully there''s more of us "pro Norwich City Football Club" than there are whingeing anti-everything doom mongers.

[/quote]

Yes......there''s certainly moron of you.......

[O.T.B.C 1]

I don''t buy into we are expected to be promoted, its such a tough league that teams who think they are expected to win will cock it up, ala Wolves. We do need the money to get promoted, simple as that. We all know that there will not be millions to spend, but the board will have to change that mode of thinking to get up. We also know that the club and GR will not say how much we have, I like the idea of other clubs thinking we are not flushed with money and don''t inflate the prices too much.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

Yee Hah Ralph!! - Glad to see you took my post in the spirit it was intended. So Mr Doncaster was standing was he, I do not suppose one of those sorts wearing an orange jacket bellowed "SIDDOWN" at him did they!!???.....

[Carrow89 182]

Funnily enough that''s what I shouted at him. I was  in the South Stand on the top row. Quite a bit of banter with the stewards about us standing up a shouting abuse at the cretin with the drum. Mob handed the stewards in various coloured jackets came over to lay down the law though they said they would sort things out at half time - in the meantime if we would sit down they would keep their side of the bargain.They did and the bleedin'' drum was confiscated. Apparently it is less confrontational during the break as most of the northern monkeys had headed dowwnstairs for drinks and the loo.Anyway after about five minutes after the break I looked behind and there was Doncaster. So with all due respect I shouted to the group of stewards near him that they should make the geezer sit down. Fair play he did grin and put his hands up in acceptance.Had a couple of words with him later about the stewards throwing out the fat idiot who kept taking his shirt off. Again he appeared to sort it out as lo and behold back came our one source of amusement after being previously hauled off.As to the game ............................ouch !

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="Scooby"]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]Nice try LGT, but you won`t get more than a couple of sentences of petty sniping out of our ralphy.  As far as the likes of him are concerned the club could plant biofuel crops on the pitch and use the stands as open-air casinos and he would support it.  After all, this football malarkey is just way too difficult and costly to bother with.  Thank goodness these tunnel-visioned muppets are in the minority.[/quote]

Thankfully there''s more of us "pro Norwich City Football Club" than there are whingeing anti-everything doom mongers.

[/quote]i see reps of 2 norwich supporter groups have come out today urging the board to support glen roeder and back the boy with cash in the summer.   one even suggested they feared glen could leave in the summer without realistic support.  i don''t see doom mongering, i see supporters who care for NCFC rightly concerned about the direction the club is taking. 

[Joanna Grey 0]

 

LGT - Could you not have cut''n''pasted GR''s quote into your topic title? That way at least it would have made sense.....

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]

Perhaps you could explain to us all how we acquired that " prem equiped club ".

Or maybe how Charlton, with no recent outlay on their facilities and having the " money now ole son" with their parachute payments, are just about scraping into the playoffs.
[/quote]

We became a "Prem equipped Club" by spending a disproportionate percentage of our recent and future income on infrastructure.

We may have become a "Prem Club" had we spent  a proportionate percentage of income on players.

 

Scraping into the playoffs eh? Please explain to me where we finished in the League each year we had the benefit of parachute payments, surely we did better than Charlton?

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="bunny"]

 

LGT - Could you not have cut''n''pasted GR''s quote into your topic title? That way at least it would have made sense.....

[/quote]upon reflection bunny - your suggestion is probably  a good one!?!

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

By investing in afrastructure we have given ourselves on opportunity to generate income away from football.  This will be a good thing long term.  This is also a fail safe method of generating revenue. 

Investing in footballers and hoping for promotion is not.  If we get the first bit right then the second bit will hopefully fund itself.

Agreed it is prudence.  Agree it is not what the fans want to see.  But I strongly believe it will be for the greater good, and 5 years down the road we will really start to see the benefits of everything we find so infuriating now.  Only time will tell.

[kdncfc 0]

[quote user="canaries in Bed"]I don''t buy into we are expected to be promoted, its such a tough league that teams who think they are expected to win will cock it up, ala Wolves. We do need the money to get promoted, simple as that. We all know that there will not be millions to spend, but the board will have to change that mode of thinking to get up. We also know that the club and GR will not say how much we have, I like the idea of other clubs thinking we are not flushed with money and don''t inflate the prices too much.[/quote]

None of us really know how much there''ll be to spend, I''d certainly hope for at least 3 million but on previous records it will most likely be a couple of million tops, unless of course someone does come in with some money which would make it a whole new ball game. The board are treading on thin ice with a lot of fans after our flirt with relegation this season and I would be very surprised if they didn''t somehow come up with significant funds to avoid another relegation struggle next year, another season like this would almost certainly see a mass uprising against the board.

[Mr.Carrow 394]

[quote user="jimmy500"]

By investing in afrastructure we have given ourselves on opportunity to generate income away from football.  This will be a good thing long term.  This is also a fail safe method of generating revenue. 

Investing in footballers and hoping for promotion is not.  If we get the first bit right then the second bit will hopefully fund itself.

Agreed it is prudence.  Agree it is not what the fans want to see.  But I strongly believe it will be for the greater good, and 5 years down the road we will really start to see the benefits of everything we find so infuriating now.  Only time will tell.

[/quote]

There is absolutely no such thing as a fail-safe method of generating revenue unfortunately. The club have spent £4.5m on land and an access road and it all seems to have gone very quiet on selling it. The best-case scenario is we can sell it soon and GR will see the benefit, the worst-case is that the credit crunch will scupper any deal and we are left sitting on a valuable asset when we desperately need the money to take the club forward. I`m sure we will make a profit on it eventually (probably about the same amount we made on Ashton in 6 months.....[:^)]), but the question is how much the continued loan payments will impact on player budget and performance in the meantime?

[Carrow89 182]

"We became a "Prem equipped Club" by spending a disproportionate percentage of our recent and future income on infrastructure."Yes, we should have rebuilt the South Stand bit by bit, relaid the pitch a yard at a time and built the infill a few seats each week.Fans can sit in the trees, players can borrow replica shirts, they can train in the local park... four legs good two legs better, Roeder leaving Weds, close the floodlights, turn off the car park. baa baa, football must come first, baa baaa..........

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="jimmy500"]

By investing in afrastructure we have given ourselves on opportunity to generate income away from football.  This will be a good thing long term.  This is also a fail safe method of generating revenue. 

Investing in footballers and hoping for promotion is not.  If we get the first bit right then the second bit will hopefully fund itself.

Agreed it is prudence.  Agree it is not what the fans want to see.  But I strongly believe it will be for the greater good, and 5 years down the road we will really start to see the benefits of everything we find so infuriating now.  Only time will tell.

[/quote]

"Oh Goody!"........another 5 year plan to go on top of the last decades 5x2 = 10 year plan........Bimbled around with Rioch ( Decent manager, shame he didn''t get the success - which was quite understandable as we were skint and he wasn''t given any wonga). Then, Blarneymeister (blessed by Delia) placed in charge and firkin clueless. Along comes Nigel - and then we reached the play-offs, then played half a season with 16,000 crowds and a wooden fence down one side of the pitch, then became Champions and reached the dizzy heights of the Premiership......... Then played a centre-back as a Centre Foreskin, then relegation. Then hung onto Worthy a bit too long...ish and the Parachute payments ''candled''. Then brought in Granty.......''Nuff said''.......

Oh, and this majority of investment ''on infrastructure'' (of which a large part of said infrastructure has been in place for quite a long time and I eagerly await reaping its financial reward concerning the squad - and hopefully not just another Crofty ''singular addition'' during the forthcoming close-season).

Chairman Mr Munby after 6-0 rout at Fulham........has been saying much the same ''encouraging and plausible piffle'' since then......

Well, Yup, let''s all just see what happens (again).......[:|]

 

[Carrow89 182]

Sadly, unlike other Premiership sized clubs Southampton, Palace, Leicester, Coventry, Ipswich,  Wolves, Sheff Utd , Sheff Weds, West Brom, Watford,  Derby, Charlton we have not remained in our rightful place - the Premiership.None of the above have been in and out of the Premiership. Unlike any of them none have even changed managers or suffered financial crisis.For it is us alone that have been cruelly denied our self determined birth right. No former Premiership clubs have fallen further, to a league below us ............................ except err, ummm Barnsley, Bradford, Notts Forest, QPR and Leeds.So boo, hiss and boo again to the naughty, evil, wicked stepmother, the wolf dressed as granny and Captain Hook that run the club.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]Sadly, unlike other Premiership sized clubs Southampton, Palace, Leicester, Coventry, Ipswich,  Wolves, Sheff Utd , Sheff Weds, West Brom, Watford,  Derby, Charlton we have not remained in our rightful place - the Premiership.

None of the above have been in and out of the Premiership. Unlike any of them none have even changed managers or suffered financial crisis.

For it is us alone that have been cruelly denied our self determined birth right. No former Premiership clubs have fallen further, to a league below us ............................ except err, ummm Barnsley, Bradford, Notts Forest, QPR and Leeds.

So boo, hiss and boo again to the naughty, evil, wicked stepmother, the wolf dressed as granny and Captain Hook that run the club.
[/quote]

I don''t think Delia is naughty, evil, a wicked stepmother, the wolf dressed as granny, or any other figure of detest you can rustle up.  But personally, I do think it''s time she retired to the snug.........Although, I can see our Mr Doncaster fearing a Croc with a Tick-Tock. Maybe you''re his sidekick, Smee?

Yes, we certainly haven''t got a ''Wright'' to be in the Premiership, and in all honesty......I cannot see us returning there in the forseeable future. I personally believe the board are content in ''loitering'' in the Chumpionship - because it''s something they''re comfortable with. A bit like the Liberal Democrat''s position in Parliament.....Content to reap the benefits of being an MP, devoid of any responsibility or serious decision making, and occasionally winning the odd local election - and just trundling along, happy in their work.  We are a Championship club, and that''s about it. The clubs that you mention have been there, and fallen from grace......"Ne''er to return to the Land o'' plenty"..... 

The odd Championship Charlatan will nip in the Prem for 9 months, then return to reality with a few squid and pay a few bills.......and do whatever they think is the next way forward..... 

So, we should all be happy that a loyal 24,000 of us are extremely fortunate to have a club that is run with prudence, has a ''manageable'' debt, a gaggle of sub-contract loan players, a board that ''Roar like Mice'' when season ticket renewal time rears its head, then happily return to the equilibrium - of the day to day running of a Championship Foodball Club......I reiterate, let''s see what happens and occurs between now and mid-August......We might be surprised, but, I don''t think I will be......

  

[Mr.Carrow 394]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]"We became a "Prem equipped Club" by spending a disproportionate percentage of our recent and future income on infrastructure."

Yes, we should have rebuilt the South Stand bit by bit, relaid the pitch a yard at a time and built the infill a few seats each week.

Fans can sit in the trees, players can borrow replica shirts, they can train in the local park... four legs good two legs better, Roeder leaving Weds, close the floodlights, turn off the car park. baa baa, football must come first, baa baaa..........
[/quote]

ralphy, two of the outlays you mention there were not in any way essential to the future of NCFC.  In fact, other than the South Stand (which in itself is debatable), you will struggle to find much essential outlay from the £30m the club has spent on infrastructure in the last 6 financial years. It has been a choice: spend on infrastructure, or spend on the team. They chose the former and we have all seen the result on the pitch.

[Carrow89 182]

You conveniently skirt over why the other clubs are likewise " ''loitering'' in the Chumpionship". Do they have " ....  a club that is run with prudence, has a ''manageable'' debt, a

gaggle of sub-contract loan players, a board that ''Roar like Mice'' when

season ticket renewal time rears its head...." or do they individually have problems that are only peculiar to their club ?If they don''t suffer from the same suppposedly inept administration as us then perhaps you could tell us why a dozen or more similar sized clubs are in the same position as us.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]You conveniently skirt over why the other clubs are likewise " ''loitering'' in the Chumpionship".

Do they have " ....  a club that is run with prudence, has a ''manageable'' debt, a gaggle of sub-contract loan players, a board that ''Roar like Mice'' when season ticket renewal time rears its head...." or do they individually have problems that are only peculiar to their club ?

If they don''t suffer from the same suppposedly inept administration as us then perhaps you could tell us why a dozen or more similar sized clubs are in the same position as us.


[/quote]

A dozen or so that enjoy a 24,000+ attendance for every home game?........What about those other dozen or so above us in the league? Much smaller attendance, average stadia and facilities, better players, less loanees etc, etc........Why are they actually above us in the league eh? Because they''re better footballing sides, have average and mediocre boards, or maybe because they have lady luck on their side? 

Oh, and did we ever find out who/what funded the large extension that appeared behind the Barclay a few years ago?........Not long after ''Bellamy'' departed......

[ricardo 8,034]

[quote user="Mello Yello"]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]Sadly, unlike other Premiership sized clubs Southampton, Palace, Leicester, Coventry, Ipswich,  Wolves, Sheff Utd , Sheff Weds, West Brom, Watford,  Derby, Charlton we have not remained in our rightful place - the Premiership.

None of the above have been in and out of the Premiership. Unlike any of them none have even changed managers or suffered financial crisis.

For it is us alone that have been cruelly denied our self determined birth right. No former Premiership clubs have fallen further, to a league below us ............................ except err, ummm Barnsley, Bradford, Notts Forest, QPR and Leeds.

So boo, hiss and boo again to the naughty, evil, wicked stepmother, the wolf dressed as granny and Captain Hook that run the club.
[/quote]

I don''t think Delia is naughty, evil, a wicked stepmother, the wolf dressed as granny, or any other figure of detest you can rustle up.  But personally, I do think it''s time she retired to the snug.........Although, I can see our Mr Doncaster fearing a Croc with a Tick-Tock. Maybe you''re his sidekick, Smee?

Yes, we certainly haven''t got a ''Wright'' to be in the Premiership, and in all honesty......I cannot see us returning there in the forseeable future. I personally believe the board are content in ''loitering'' in the Chumpionship - because it''s something they''re comfortable with. A bit like the Liberal Democrat''s position in Parliament.....Content to reap the benefits of being an MP, devoid of any responsibility or serious decision making, and occasionally winning the odd local election - and just trundling along, happy in their work.  We are a Championship club, and that''s about it. The clubs that you mention have been there, and fallen from grace......"Ne''er to return to the Land o'' plenty"..... 

The odd Championship Charlatan will nip in the Prem for 9 months, then return to reality with a few squid and pay a few bills.......and do whatever they think is the next way forward..... 

So, we should all be happy that a loyal 24,000 of us are extremely fortunate to have a club that is run with prudence, has a ''manageable'' debt, a gaggle of sub-contract loan players, a board that ''Roar like Mice'' when season ticket renewal time rears its head, then happily return to the equilibrium - of the day to day running of a Championship Foodball Club......I reiterate, let''s see what happens and occurs between now and mid-August......We might be surprised, but, I don''t think I will be......

  

[/quote]

Plain as day, for those who have eyes to see Mello.

Like you, I am hopeful that the Board may yet surprise us but I fear it may be a triumph of hope over expectation.

[Buncey 1]

What''s most galling ralphy is that we have been nowhere ever near getting a chance to get back up. Most of the time since relegation we have been locked in the bottom half and/or skirting with relegation. So whilst Delia and Doomcaster and mugby keep building nice offices, lovely carpets and new roads the pitch has been under-invested in and we have stuggled as such. What''s to say in the summer that Doomcaster fancies a nice new directors suite at the expence of another player who could potential fire us up?

[Baldyboy 1]

jimmy 500, we were told of a five year plan, err, five years ago but nothing has changed, why do people continually say it will happen next year and then the next? wake up and realise nothing will change at this club until we show more ambition than prudence and invest in the football side for a change. enough money has been spent on infrastructure already now it is time to spend on decent players instead of young loanees or journeyman. pay for someone who wants to play for NORWICH CITY FOOTBALL CLUB for longer than six bleedin months!!!!