Case for Strihavka

[Mason 47 1,925]

Against Watford, now that Dion is injured and Hartson is tenfold more effective coming on at the end so he isnt tired, it comes down to Dave or Brown to partner a hopefully resurgent Curo.

I would like to start the case for Dave. You may recall last season a certain English team called our big Czech out for a trial. He played in a friendly, scoring twice. It looked nailed on they would sign him, but they sent him packing. Upon coming to us he was adamant he would not have another trial, saying it was ''the worst experiance of his life''.

This sounds like a classic case of ''why didnt we sign him'' for Watford. If theres was any one of our players more likely to score in that game than anyone else, its gotta be Dave, right?

                     Marshall

Jon Taylor Murray/Shax Lappin/ Loan signing

Chads Brellier Russel/Smith  Lappin/Other

                  Dave Curo

Wouldnt be that bad, would it?

 

[ZLF 335]

Its a case of stick to the game plan for me - big man with the little one;  Hartson to start and brown as his replacement. 

Not sure when Hux suspension comes in?  I am assuming against Watford?  If he can play I would start withteh side that began the second half,  if he cannot play then is Eagle the only option for wide left?  Lappin is the natural but he is the best fit left back the club has.

Anyone else hear the rumour that Dave stormed out of the stadium pre-match when he was told that he wasnt on the bench??

[sam 0]

Are you in love with Strihavka or something

you have a picture of him and all you do is praise him

after hartsons performance today surely he is worthy of a start against watford at least he would cause them a few problems, strihavka is too lightweight and then if hartsin gets tired bring him on after all he scored when he came on and scored as a sub against palace!!!!

[T07 0]

You''re forgetting the simple fact that he''s actually not very good

[MyGodWeArePoorToWatch 0]

Strihavka to start for me, give him 60 mins to show something, then its time for fat lad hartson.

He is class, shame he has only got max 30 mins of play in him at the moment, but he showed he still has the intelligence to cause problems for oposition with his positioning and awarness.

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="The Bucketman"]Against Watford, now that Dion is injured and Hartson is tenfold more effective coming on at the end so he isnt tired, it comes down to Dave or Brown to partner a hopefully resurgent Curo.

I would like to start the case for Dave. You may recall last season a certain English team called our big Czech out for a trial. He played in a friendly, scoring twice. It looked nailed on they would sign him, but they sent him packing. Upon coming to us he was adamant he would not have another trial, saying it was ''the worst experiance of his life''.

This sounds like a classic case of ''why didnt we sign him'' for Watford. If theres was any one of our players more likely to score in that game than anyone else, its gotta be Dave, right?

                     Marshall

Jon Taylor Murray/Shax Lappin/ Loan signing

Chads Brellier Russel/Smith  Lappin/Other

                  Dave Curo

Wouldnt be that bad, would it?[/quote]I agree with your reasoning, and I rate Dave. I''d start with him, and bring Fat Boyo on if necessary later in the second half. But I''d give Smith a go on the left, with Huckerby suspended. When he came on he took that position anyway sometimes, depending on how Huckerby moved. He''s probably the best option we''ve got available ....

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

Yeh i agree... Dave and Curo to start, throw on Ten Pies near the end.

[Mister Chops 7]

I''m putting Strihavka''s lack of form this season down to the fact he doesn''t speak great English, never mind thick Glaswegian.

However, I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.

 

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"]

I''m putting Strihavka''s lack of form this season down to the fact he doesn''t speak great English, never mind thick Glaswegian.

However, I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.

 

[/quote]After watching Hartsons display yesterday then consider that Brown is only 23....If we get Hartson permanently he could help out Brown''s hold up play and first touch, then I think Brown would be a total diamond of a player. Right now, his shooting is definatly questionable and I just find hes lacking something ( not just the goals ) on the field. And dont forget... Dave Striker got us our last 3 points, so he deserves a run out.Im sure all of the boys want to impress Roeder and have a game though.

[Hardhouse44 289]

[quote user="The Bucketman"]

Against Watford, now that Dion is injured and Hartson is tenfold more effective coming on at the end so he isnt tired, it comes down to Dave or Brown to partner a hopefully resurgent Curo.

I would like to start the case for Dave. You may recall last season a certain English team called our big Czech out for a trial. He played in a friendly, scoring twice. It looked nailed on they would sign him, but they sent him packing. Upon coming to us he was adamant he would not have another trial, saying it was ''the worst experiance of his life''.

This sounds like a classic case of ''why didnt we sign him'' for Watford. If theres was any one of our players more likely to score in that game than anyone else, its gotta be Dave, right?

                     Marshall

Jon Taylor Murray/Shax Lappin/ Loan signing

Chads Brellier Russel/Smith  Lappin/Other

                  Dave Curo

Wouldnt be that bad, would it?

 

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Are you Strihavka. Your obsessed with the guy. He didn''t make the bench yesterday so I can''t see him starting. Has to be Hartson to start. And you can come on second half.

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"]I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.[/quote]Watch more closely and you''ll see that he can do all that very well. It''s just that in the games he''s played so far his partners up front have been in the wrong place, and too static. If he''d played in yesterday''s side, he''d have had more opportunities. He''s got a good first touch, is difficult to knock off the ball, and doesn''t give away possession.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Old Boy"][quote user="fuzzyfelt"]I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.[/quote]Watch more closely and you''ll see that he can do all that very well. It''s just that in the games he''s played so far his partners up front have been in the wrong place, and too static. If he''d played in yesterday''s side, he''d have had more opportunities. He''s got a good first touch, is difficult to knock off the ball, and doesn''t give away possession.
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don''t forget, he rarely threatens the goal, or links up with his partner.

[Dame to Blame 108]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"]

I''m putting Strihavka''s lack of form this season down to the fact he doesn''t speak great English, never mind thick Glaswegian.

However, I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.

 

[/quote]Sorry can''t agree with that at all mate .

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Old Boy"][quote user="fuzzyfelt"]I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.[/quote]Watch more closely and you''ll see that he can do all that very well. It''s just that in the games he''s played so far his partners up front have been in the wrong place, and too static. If he''d played in yesterday''s side, he''d have had more opportunities. He''s got a good first touch, is difficult to knock off the ball, and doesn''t give away possession.
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I won''t entirely dispute that, but I will say I have yet to see any of the attributes you''ve given him there.  I shall look forward to being pleasantly surprised.  I think it''s reasonable that we''re patient with him; it hasn''t been a great introduction to English football so far.

[KeelansGlove 0]

Strihavka really hasnt been given enough game time. when I have seen him play he holds the ball up well and can actually knock the ball down to a yellow shirt. I think that playing brown for so many games this season is the reason we are where we are.

Give him a chance I say with Hartson waiting in the wings

[DDD In The Fine City 1]

[quote user="Old Boy"][quote user="fuzzyfelt"]I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.[/quote]Watch more closely and you''ll see that he can do all that very well. It''s just that in the games he''s played so far his partners up front have been in the wrong place, and too static. If he''d played in yesterday''s side, he''d have had more opportunities. He''s got a good first touch, is difficult to knock off the ball, and doesn''t give away possession.
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ha ha, you didn''t go to the wolves game then? he may as well have been there third centre half. ive not seen one good thing in his play that brown, dion and hartson are not better at.

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

[quote user="Old Boy"][quote user="fuzzyfelt"]I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.[/quote]Watch more closely and you''ll see that he can do all that very well. It''s just that in the games he''s played so far his partners up front have been in the wrong place, and too static. If he''d played in yesterday''s side, he''d have had more opportunities. He''s got a good first touch, is difficult to knock off the ball, and doesn''t give away possession.[/quote]

don''t forget, he rarely threatens the goal, or links up with his partner.

[/quote]OK, but as I said he''s been in a side that''s not been playing as a team. If he''d been in yesterday''s team, I think he''d have shown better. Mind you, the same applies to Brown, but the only difference is that I think Strihavka has more skill. On the other hand, Brown goes in where it hurts, which would be good against some sides in this division, particularly away from home.

[Cobain18 0]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"]

I''m putting Strihavka''s lack of form this season down to the fact he doesn''t speak great English, never mind thick Glaswegian.

However, I can''t help thinking Brown should be ahead of him in the queue as he can at least hold it up, knock it down and distribute it, three things I have yet to see "The Striker" do.

 

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Brown can''t actually do any of the three things you mention! His distribution consists of him passing to the oppostion, he never manages to hold it up and he never knocks it down because he only wins one or maximum of two headers per game!

"The Striker" on the other hand can and he can also score; let''s compare the two this season shall we with hard facts:

At Norwich City fc

Chris Brown - appearances - 10 (3) as sub          goals - 1

"The Striker" - appearances - 3 (7) as sub           goals - 1

Dave''s sub appearances have consisted of ten mins here and there - he has no had nearly as many minutes and it is harder to get into a game in the last then mins - if Dave had had ten starts I guarantee his goal record would be better.

 

Previous records 2004 - 2007 (because that''s as far back as I can find for Strihavka and it makes little difference as Brown''s scoring record is disastrous either way)

Chris Brown - appearances - 53 (36) as sub      goals - 12

"The Striker" - appearances - 13 (1) as sub        goals - 16

 

Chris Brown has a far worse scoring record / conversion per game. I''m sure someone will now complain that the Czech premier league may not be as strong as the championship which is why I have included this seasons stats. Three starts and one goal even though you have communication problems because you don''t speak English is just better than ten starts and one goal as someone who does not have communication problems.

The reason that I included the stats from 2004 is to prove that Dave can and has scored well RECENTLY where as Brown just hasn''t - there''s a reason Roy Keane let him go (don''t forget Keane''s not stupid, Sunderland are now premier league) 

Please for the love of God do not reply with "Chris Brown''s game isn''t about scoring he links play." He doesn''t link play because he''s no good at it and the guy is a STRIKER it is his job to SCORE - so please as a final message to Roeder do not bring this guy into the first team the stats speak for themselves!

 

[Mason 47 1,925]

Well sorry for liking him.... I cant help it I just think he is a good player... feel free to post the same thing with Brown!

[Robert N. LiM 6,299]

My instinct with Dave is that he needs a target man alongside him. Some people on here have said that he holds the ball up better than Brown. My recollection from home games (and admittedly he''s not had much time on the pitch) is that Dave has hardly held the ball up at all. He does look to have a better instinct in front of goal and has that little measure of unpredictability which makes him a pretty good sub I reckon.

Brown is almost the entire opposite. Excellent with his back to goal and a surprisingly deft first touch. Seems to have almost no instinct in front of goal. He''s also struggled to link up with his partner (usually Cureton) - I don''t see how that is automatically his fault rather than his partner''s - Cureton almost always seems too far away from his striking partner to me. I think Brown is a much better player than he''s given credit for.

I would imagine that Brown will be involved somehow tomorrow. There''s no way big John can last 90 minutes - if he lasts the whole first half without going to the bench for an emergency packet of cheese and onion crisps I will be delighted. So I very much hope that Brown is on the bench, comes on and has a good game.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Robert no longer in Manila"]

My instinct with Dave is that he needs a target man alongside him. Some people on here have said that he holds the ball up better than Brown. My recollection from home games (and admittedly he''s not had much time on the pitch) is that Dave has hardly held the ball up at all. He does look to have a better instinct in front of goal and has that little measure of unpredictability which makes him a pretty good sub I reckon.

Brown is almost the entire opposite. Excellent with his back to goal and a surprisingly deft first touch. Seems to have almost no instinct in front of goal. He''s also struggled to link up with his partner (usually Cureton) - I don''t see how that is automatically his fault rather than his partner''s - Cureton almost always seems too far away from his striking partner to me. I think Brown is a much better player than he''s given credit for.

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I wonder if they could play together?

Mister Cobain, I appreciate the stats you laid out (though 16 goals in 13 games makes me question the figures) but I''m afraid I will say Brown''s game is not just about goals.  No, he doesn''t score enough of them and this must be improved on, but as an all round player I''d pick him ahead of Strihavka.

But Roeder''s made shrewd selections so far - let''s see who he picks come tomorrow night.  I''d love Strihavka to prove he''s the player a lot of us think(hope?) he is, so bring it on!

 

[Cobain18 0]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"][quote user="Robert no longer in Manila"]

My instinct with Dave is that he needs a target man alongside him. Some people on here have said that he holds the ball up better than Brown. My recollection from home games (and admittedly he''s not had much time on the pitch) is that Dave has hardly held the ball up at all. He does look to have a better instinct in front of goal and has that little measure of unpredictability which makes him a pretty good sub I reckon.

Brown is almost the entire opposite. Excellent with his back to goal and a surprisingly deft first touch. Seems to have almost no instinct in front of goal. He''s also struggled to link up with his partner (usually Cureton) - I don''t see how that is automatically his fault rather than his partner''s - Cureton almost always seems too far away from his striking partner to me. I think Brown is a much better player than he''s given credit for.

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I wonder if they could play together?

Mister Cobain, I appreciate the stats you laid out (though 16 goals in 13 games makes me question the figures) but I''m afraid I will say Brown''s game is not just about goals.  No, he doesn''t score enough of them and this must be improved on, but as an all round player I''d pick him ahead of Strihavka.

But Roeder''s made shrewd selections so far - let''s see who he picks come tomorrow night.  I''d love Strihavka to prove he''s the player a lot of us think(hope?) he is, so bring it on!

 

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I simarlarly would love to see Brown prove me wrong and start scoring a hatful so let''s hope that both Brown and Strihavka prove us both wrong and both turn out to be great players for NCFC!!!

[Robert N. LiM 6,299]

[quote user="fuzzyfelt"][quote user="Robert no longer in Manila"]

My instinct with Dave is that he needs a target man alongside him. Some people on here have said that he holds the ball up better than Brown. My recollection from home games (and admittedly he''s not had much time on the pitch) is that Dave has hardly held the ball up at all. He does look to have a better instinct in front of goal and has that little measure of unpredictability which makes him a pretty good sub I reckon.

Brown is almost the entire opposite. Excellent with his back to goal and a surprisingly deft first touch. Seems to have almost no instinct in front of goal. He''s also struggled to link up with his partner (usually Cureton) - I don''t see how that is automatically his fault rather than his partner''s - Cureton almost always seems too far away from his striking partner to me. I think Brown is a much better player than he''s given credit for.

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I wonder if they could play together?

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I''ve certainly never felt that it''s one or the other. I think Dave would be much better playing off a target man. But I''m happy to see him on the bench. It''ll take him a while to adjust. I actually think that it''s one of the few things Grant did well, giving him ten minutes here and there. I have a horrible suspicion that if he starts regularly, the physical nature of this league might be too much for him and those currently treating him as some kind of god might start booing him. After all, you''re never a better player than when you''re not in the side.

[DDD In The Fine City 1]

Big Dave not on the bench again! Brown is.

[kev g 0]

Iwan Was Crap in is first season, but he turned out pretty good!! I think we should give any player that puts the shirt on for us a chance instead of keep slating them. 

 

[Mook 0]

[quote user="Robert no longer in Manila"]

 After all, you''re never a better player than when you''re not in the side.

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I like to call this the "Jim Brennan Phenomenon". He was the obvious answer to all our problems when he wasn''t playing. Soon changed once he got a couple of games...!

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="Robert no longer in Manila"]

 After all, you''re never a better player than when you''re not in the side.

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I like to call this the "Jim Brennan Phenomenon". He was the obvious answer to all our problems when he wasn''t playing. Soon changed once he got a couple of games...!

[/quote]That''s been rebranded for 2007-8 as the Rossi Jarvis effect now, I think...