Malky Mackay - A leader of men

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Just been watching the Play-Off semi''s and one Malcolm Mackay has been fantastic.  He has marshalled Andy Johnson.  Who is betting Ady Bothroyd doesnt get rid of his leader on the pitch as easily as Worthy did.

(and before any West Ham comparison''s, Mackay was never a regular for the hammers)

Who would you rather have in your team, Mackay or Doherty.  For me it is Mackay, this season and last....

Good to note that Ady Bothroyds side play hoofball, and they do it properly, unlike Worthys attempts to create a hoofball team.

[St.John Cooper 0]

A great 3-0 win, looks like Malkay could be in the premiership again,  good luck to you, I think you must be laughing at Nigel as much as I am!

 

OTBC

 

St.John

[Mook 0]

Dohery''s better. And in time will become as important to us as Malky.

[YGB 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

Just been watching the Play-Off semi''s and one Malcolm Mackay has been fantastic.  He has marshalled Andy Johnson.  Who is betting Ady Bothroyd doesnt get rid of his leader on the pitch as easily as Worthy did.

(and before any West Ham comparison''s, Mackay was never a regular for the hammers)

Who would you rather have in your team, Mackay or Doherty.  For me it is Mackay, this season and last....

Good to note that Ady Bothroyds side play hoofball, and they do it properly, unlike Worthys attempts to create a hoofball team.

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Your kidding right Malky or Docs yes malky is a good player is a norwich legend but i would prefere Gary Doherty by a country mile for one he has a bit of pace. Also the last ditch tackles he has made this season have been amazing!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="YGB"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

Just been watching the Play-Off semi''s and one Malcolm Mackay has been fantastic.  He has marshalled Andy Johnson.  Who is betting Ady Bothroyd doesnt get rid of his leader on the pitch as easily as Worthy did.

(and before any West Ham comparison''s, Mackay was never a regular for the hammers)

Who would you rather have in your team, Mackay or Doherty.  For me it is Mackay, this season and last....

Good to note that Ady Bothroyds side play hoofball, and they do it properly, unlike Worthys attempts to create a hoofball team.

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Your kidding right Malky or Docs yes malky is a good player is a norwich legend but i would prefere Gary Doherty by a country mile for one he has a bit of pace. Also the last ditch tackles he has made this season have been amazing!

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You are kidding, Bear Hug Doherty...  He is also part of the reason we concede so many goals from set-peices, the most in the championship.  Leon Cort beat him to a header both Home and Away for Hull, he just isnt towering enough.

Mackay leader of men, Doherty just a reasonable defender.

[Misery Guts 0]

I think he''s great in this leauge, would struggle in the premiership with his pace and would give away alot of free kicks but if Watford and Boothroyd get promoted and he were to be sold then I would have him back.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

CJF, a quoter of peoples original ideas from other message boards.

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="A load of squit"]

CJF, a quoter of peoples original ideas from other message boards.

 

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yep, i liked it and agreed with it so I posted it here...and??

In the premiership would Malky have been any worse than Simon Charlton, Craig Fleming, an overweight Gary Doherty or Jason Shackell??  No, in fact he had leadership and organisational skills none of the  above possess.

You were a star Malky and I reckon you will finally get your chance in the prem next season (if watford go up)

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="A load of squit"]

CJF, a quoter of peoples original ideas from other message boards.

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And two-faced as well. Imagine if CJF hadn''t heard of Malky, the clogger''s clogger, except by reputation, and Worthy signed him. He''d be scrabbling through fan''s forums for mud to sling. Of course, we don''t have to imagine - we''ve seen it many times.

And I notice he''s now a convert to "hoofball" - provided it''s played properly. CJF - what exactly is "proper hoofball"?

[Mook 0]

Allow me to quote a song: (to the tune of the Adams Family)

His PASSING ISN''T PRETTY, He plays for Norwich City, He likes a dram of whisky, His name''s Malky Mackay.

If he Malky was here now, you munchkins would all be booing him for hoofing it up the field to Iwan, who would then either A, be offside B, foul the defender or C, fall over forwards in the vain hope of a free kick. Selective memory is a wonderful thing.

[Saint Canary 0]

I think this is just another case of the players who have left or players who are not in the team being the answer to all our problems.

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="A load of squit"]

CJF, a quoter of peoples original ideas from other message boards.

 

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yep, i liked it and agreed with it so I posted it here...and??

In the premiership would Malky have been any worse than Simon Charlton, Craig Fleming, an overweight Gary Doherty or Jason Shackell??  No, in fact he had leadership and organisational skills none of the  above possess.

You were a star Malky and I reckon you will finally get your chance in the prem next season (if watford go up)

[/quote]Right where to start?Basicaly I think Malky will get a go in the prem but mainly because Watford are not laden with cash and its unlikely that they willl be able to buy in a lot of players to the point where Malky will get replaced. However if I remember rightly he is the same age or maybe a year younger than Fleming so perhaps his time is numbered.I would not argue that Malky had good leadership qualities that were important for the team. And to some extent he has become a "legend" at this club mainly because of one or two really fantastic seasons including the play-offs. But am I the only one to remember that his actual footballing abilities left a lot to be desired? He was great in the air and maybe for that reason great at set pieces both attacking and defending, but his controll was poor and four out of five times his distribution was a innacurate long ball or as a lot of you have moaned about this season "hoofball". Infact I would go as far as saying that he was the main culprit of those seasons.Finaly he gave away a lot more goals in open play due to his lack of pace than Doherty has done from set pieces - I would also suggest that that is partially down to coaching and not just down to the player. I think also that having Fleming alongside him doesnt always assist in the height department.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

''yep, i liked it and agreed with it so I posted it here...and??''

An honest person would''ve acknowledged that it was a quote.

 

[Syteanric 1]

good luck to malky. He has a positive effect on all teams and it has shown with us, the Ammers and now Watford.

 A true Leader and captain!

jas :)

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="A load of squit"]

''yep, i liked it and agreed with it so I posted it here...and??''

An honest person would''ve acknowledged that it was a quote.

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When did i ever claim that I was honest?

[quote user="Oldboy"]

And two-faced as well. Imagine if CJF hadn''t heard of Malky, the clogger''s clogger, except by reputation, and Worthy signed him. He''d be scrabbling through fan''s forums for mud to sling. Of course, we don''t have to imagine - we''ve seen it many times.

And I notice he''s now a convert to "hoofball" - provided it''s played properly. CJF - what exactly is "proper hoofball"?

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Yep two-faced, I would agree with that too. When we signed Malky we had no cash, when you are paying good money for players you want to see players signed that are better than those obtainable for free.

Worthy didnt sign him btw, I think it was Bruce Rioch.  Proper hoofball involved lumping it up to players that play that way, rather than midgets and class footballers.

[Alex Harvey-Jones 0]

Mackay and Fleming formed a very good partnership. For me a huge part of defending is the pairing in central defence. Who knows if Mackay would be so successful with another partner? I think I would prefer Doherty now due to MacKay''s age but if Malky was younger then I would have to choose him over the Doc!

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="A load of squit"]

''yep, i liked it and agreed with it so I posted it here...and??''

An honest person would''ve acknowledged that it was a quote.

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When did i ever claim that I was honest?

[quote user="Oldboy"]

And two-faced as well. Imagine if CJF hadn''t heard of Malky, the clogger''s clogger, except by reputation, and Worthy signed him. He''d be scrabbling through fan''s forums for mud to sling. Of course, we don''t have to imagine - we''ve seen it many times.

And I notice he''s now a convert to "hoofball" - provided it''s played properly. CJF - what exactly is "proper hoofball"?

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Yep two-faced, I would agree with that too. When we signed Malky we had no cash, when you are paying good money for players you want to see players signed that are better than those obtainable for free.

Worthy didnt sign him btw, I think it was Bruce Rioch.  Proper hoofball involved lumping it up to players that play that way, rather than midgets and class footballers.

[/quote]In all fairness this post throws up more questions. Malky was one of the "gritty" players in our play off season and promotion run. However you have to remember that he cost exactly the same amount of money as Doherty - maybe more. I seem to remember he cost something like £800k?The first two seasons after he signed one under Rioch and the second under Hamilton/Worthington he was pretty much no where to be seen. It has to be said that perhaps the likes of Colin, Jarrett are just the same.Sometimes it does matter who you are working with and not every move can be expected to pull off or get the best from a player.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Mackay cost £350,000. Doherty was rumoured to cost around a million.  

Mackay in his first few seasons played:

98/99  31 games

99/00  25 games

00/01  40 games

01/02  50 games

In fairness to Gary Doherty he is still young and defenders do improve with age.  Mackay being a case in point here looking a better player now than 5 years ago.

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[quote user="St.John Cooper"]

A great 3-0 win, looks like Malkay

could be in the premiership again,  good luck to you, I think you

must be laughing at Nigel as much as I am!

 

OTBC

 

St.John

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I doubt it st john - it was NW who very much wanted to keep AB, and was

not at all happy when he was allowed to leave without a genuine attempt

to keep him on.  I think you''ll find it will be NW laughing

at  the board.

[macdougalls perm 0]

Yes he is a good leader but there are plenty of Malky bloopers/giveaways on the 2003/04 season review. 

[Saint Canary 0]

Matt Jackson was a leader and was a much better player than Malky yet no-one seems bothered that he was allowed to leave. 

[Mook 0]

Was it Patrick Ageymang that completely tore him to shreds in his last season?

Crikey, I was actually embarrassed for poor old Malky.

All I remember back then was everyone on here clamouring for a new defender, with pace, to replace Malky and play alongside player of the season Fleming. How things change!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Mook"]

Was it Patrick Ageymang that completely tore him to shreds in his last season?

Crikey, I was actually embarrassed for poor old Malky.

All I remember back then was everyone on here clamouring for a new defender, with pace, to replace Malky and play alongside player of the season Fleming. How things change!

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I unserstand where you are coming from, sometimes you dont realise what you have until it is gone.  We had an organiser and a leader, someone whom did not shirk his duties and scored goals at vital times.  A warrior for the cause and much underrated defender.

I said at the time there was nothing wrong with selling Malky as long as he was properly replaced.  It still hasnt happened (although hopefully Shackell will grow into the role).

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Mook"]

Was it Patrick Ageymang that completely tore him to shreds in his last season?

Crikey, I was actually embarrassed for poor old Malky.

All I remember back then was everyone on here clamouring for a new defender, with pace, to replace Malky and play alongside player of the season Fleming. How things change!

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I unserstand where you are coming from, sometimes you dont realise what you have until it is gone.  We had an organiser and a leader, someone whom did not shirk his duties and scored goals at vital times.  A warrior for the cause and much underrated defender.

I said at the time there was nothing wrong with selling Malky as long as he was properly replaced.  It still hasnt happened (although hopefully Shackell will grow into the role).

[/quote]I am getting confused! Did you want Malky back as a player or manager/coaching staff?And Scottish players have a reputation of getting better still in their 30''s but Malky will never ever have pace. We would have used him sparingly and I dont think is any better than Doherty. I think he has benefitted like he did here, from having a reletively settled side.How many centre backs have played alongside Doherty this season? Fleming, Shackell, Davenport, Rehmen, Charlton(?) . . . . . . .

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="chicken"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Mook"]

Was it Patrick Ageymang that completely tore him to shreds in his last season?

Crikey, I was actually embarrassed for poor old Malky.

All I remember back then was everyone on here clamouring for a new defender, with pace, to replace Malky and play alongside player of the season Fleming. How things change!

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I unserstand where you are coming from, sometimes you dont realise what you have until it is gone.  We had an organiser and a leader, someone whom did not shirk his duties and scored goals at vital times.  A warrior for the cause and much underrated defender.

I said at the time there was nothing wrong with selling Malky as long as he was properly replaced.  It still hasnt happened (although hopefully Shackell will grow into the role).

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I am getting confused! Did you want Malky back as a player or manager/coaching staff?

And Scottish players have a reputation of getting better still in their 30''s but Malky will never ever have pace. We would have used him sparingly and I dont think is any better than Doherty. I think he has benefitted like he did here, from having a reletively settled side.

How many centre backs have played alongside Doherty this season? Fleming, Shackell, Davenport, Rehmen, Charlton(?) . . . . . . .
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I would like to see malky back in a coaching role in the future, if thats what he ends up becoming.

I really think what we most miss is Malky''s leadership, towering at set peices, organisational skills and ability to drive the team on.  These are not qualities you get with Doherty (at the moment anyway). Good stopper, at this level ''yes''.  Leader and organiser ''No''.

Just look at the goals conceded over the last few years at this level:

05/06  65
04/05  39
03/04  49
02/03  51
01/02  58
00/01  50
99/00  50
98/99  61