Stand up and be counted Ben.

[Midlands Yellow 4,012]

Just now, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

It's a leap into the unknown for absolutely no benefit. We're not going to be promoted this season whatever happens. And what's the likelihood of getting a good manager now? This is truly a poisoned chalice role at the moment.

If we get to only six points above the relegation zone then fair enough, make a change, but other than that see it out this season and regroup in the Summer where we can have a proper managerial recruitment process and a fresh start with some squad changes.

If people really can't bear it at the moment find something else to do for the rest of the season, because it's not going to get better.

It’s time to get Deano back maybe? 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,562]

1 minute ago, Midlands Yellow said:

It’s time to get Deano back maybe? 

I doubt he'd want it. Anyone who wanted the job at the moment should be disqualified on the spot for being an idiot.

Edited November 28, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[S_81 814]

1 minute ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

It's a leap into the unknown for absolutely no benefit. We're not going to be promoted this season whatever happens. And what's the likelihood of getting a good manager now? This is truly a poisoned chalice role at the moment.

If we get to only six points above the relegation zone then fair enough, make a change, but other than that see it out this season and regroup in the Summer where we can have a proper managerial recruitment process and a fresh start with some squad changes.

If people really can't bear it at the moment find something else to do for the rest of the season, because it's not going to get better.

But why not give the next person longer to assess this squad? Aside from the fact that someone other than Wagner could well get more points / entertainment for the paying public.

[OnDaBall 137]

If Knapper has been truly assessing the setup of the club and is not just blindly sticking with Wagner then he must have seen enough tonight to know what needs doing. If he doesn't pull the trigger before the weekend then serious questions need to asked about his judgement or fitness to hold the position he is in.

[S_81 814]

Just now, OnDaBall said:

If Knapper has been truly assessing the setup of the club and is not just blindly sticking with Wagner then he must have seen enough tonight to know what needs doing. If he doesn't pull the trigger before the weekend then serious questions need to asked about his judgement or fitness to hold the position he is in.

Or questions be asked about his independence to operate 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,562]

Just now, S_81 said:

But why not give the next person longer to assess this squad? Aside from the fact that someone other than Wagner could well get more points / entertainment for the paying public.

No one in their right mind would want the job at the moment.

[Ken Hairy 3,774]

8 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Only at Norwich could this drag on this long. The takeover is happening so let’s crack on please.Could be great maybe not but they just will not let go. You get the politicians you deserve and in our case retarded owners. 

Its ridiculous isn't it? OK so if in 3 years time Delia and Michael decide Attansio isn't the fit so refuse to sell, we'll he sure as hell won't stick around as 40% owner so he'll sell his shares and they can't afford them.....so what then?? They have no say in who he sells them to, we all know that isn't happening so FFS Delia and Michael just get on with selling them to him now, I'm sure he'd arrange some honourary role for them so they don't have to give up their freebie matchday jolly

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Edited November 28, 2023 by Ken Hairy

[Midlands Yellow 4,012]

2 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I doubt he'd want it. Anyone who wanted the job at the moment should be disqualified on the spot for being an idiot.

To be fair he’d probably take any job offered. 

[S_81 814]

Just now, littleyellowbirdie said:

No one in their right mind would want the job at the moment.

I don’t see what parameters will have changed come the summer. Same dross in the squad and quite likely any little talent sold. Morale even lower. We need rid of Wagner asap. He’s dragging us downward and it’s going to get worse after Ipswich 

[Midlands Yellow 4,012]

1 minute ago, Ken Hairy said:

Its ridiculous isn't it? OK so if in 3 years time Delia and Michael decide Attansio isn't the fit so refuse to sell, we'll he sure as he'll won't stick around as 40% owner so he'll sell his shares and they can't afford them.....so what then?? They have no say in who he sells them to, we all know that isn't happening so FFS Delia and Michael just get on with selling them to him now, I'm sure he'd arrange some honourary role for them so they don't have to give up their freebie matchday jolly

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Bang on, it’s so clear but never at a club like ours. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,562]

1 minute ago, S_81 said:

I don’t see what parameters will have changed come the summer. Same dross in the squad and quite likely any little talent sold. Morale even lower. We need rid of Wagner asap. He’s dragging us downward and it’s going to get worse after Ipswich 

A full preseason to work with the squad without worrying what fans think every week is the difference.

[nutty nigel 7,554]

Just now, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

It's a leap into the unknown for absolutely no benefit. We're not going to be promoted this season whatever happens. And what's the likelihood of getting a good manager now? This is truly a poisoned chalice role at the moment.

If we get to only six points above the relegation zone then fair enough, make a change, but other than that see it out this season and regroup in the Summer where we can have a proper managerial recruitment process and a fresh start with some squad changes.

If people really can't bear it at the moment find something else to do for the rest of the season, because it's not going to get better.

Despite everything we see on the pitch so many people seem to think a new manager will turn this around. I'm not convinced. I do think if Sarge hadn't been injured we'd have had a chance of play offs. Sarge won't suddenly be fit if we sack the manager.

But, Wagner has pretty much run out of road with the fans and that will make a change inevitable. Perhaps a caretaker would be a realistic option. Getting to 50 points asap would give Knapper the time to start the plans for next season.

But if the halfwits are to be believed Delia has appointed Knapper and will choose the next manager. 

[S_81 814]

6 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

A full preseason to work with the squad without worrying what fans think every week is the difference.

In an ideal world we’d start afresh, new DoF with coach (hopefully not some free agent has-been), sign some up and coming players during the window, and start as we mean to. 
 

But in the meantime Wagner could very well get us into a relegation fight. And we are damn lucky that Rotherham and Shef look appalling, and QPR not much better - but none the less we can’t be complacent and think at the last minute we can parachute someone temporarily in to stop the drop. 
 

Personally I’d get rid now. Fans would forgive the new guy and understand the context if it doesn’t go swimmingly - as long as the tactics make sense and the players are giving their all. That is not and will not happen under Wagner. He’s clueless 

Edited November 28, 2023 by S_81

[S_81 814]

1 minute ago, nutty nigel said:

Despite everything we see on the pitch so many people seem to think a new manager will turn this around. I'm not convinced. I do think if Sarge hadn't been injured we'd have had a chance of play offs. Sarge won't suddenly be fit if we sack the manager.

But, Wagner has pretty much run out of road with the fans and that will make a change inevitable. Perhaps a caretaker would be a realistic option. Getting to 50 points asap would give Knapper the time to start the plans for next season.

But if the halfwits are to be believed Delia has appointed Knapper and will choose the next manager. 

On what basis could you think Wagner would make play offs!? Look at the end of last season. All the evidence was there

[Davidlingfield 63]

37 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Trouble is if Knapper doesn't act it undermines his position straight away.

It seems the obvious decision to exit Wagner. Trouble is most Coaches won't even speak to us unless we have a vacancy.

Wagner has to go to create that space.

Knapper is controlled by by Zoe Webber and as she doesn’t have a clue, don’t hold your breath.

[S_81 814]

Just now, Davidlingfield said:

Knapper is controlled by by Zoe Webber and as she doesn’t have a clue, don’t hold your breath.

There’s questions to be asked for sure re Zoe’s relationship with Wagner and her role in this - given Stuart. It’s a good point 

[nutty nigel 7,554]

3 minutes ago, S_81 said:

On what basis could you think Wagner would make play offs!? Look at the end of last season. All the evidence was there

On the basis of how we played with Sarge up front.

Last season we still persevered with Pukki up top and Sarge played out wide. 

[S_81 814]

Just now, nutty nigel said:

On the basis of how we played with Sarge up front.

Last season we still persevered with Pukki up top and Sarge played out wide. 

Sarge is missed for sure. But I think you’re being very kind on Wagner if you think his injury would have prevented the tactical disaster that we see on a regular basis. Wagner isn’t capable of getting our team promoted. He loses far too many games. Has long losing runs. Concedes a massive amount of goals. And can’t change a game for the better from the bench. 
 

He needs to go asap. We can do a lot better. A new coach won’t have all the answers. But he’ll have more than Wagner 

[nutty nigel 7,554]

It's a puppet show!

Delia controls Zoe

Zoe controls Knapper

Knappers double henpecked and controls nothing.

You couldn't make it up...

[S_81 814]

Just now, nutty nigel said:

It's a puppet show!

Delia controls Zoe

Zoe controls Knapper

Knappers double henpecked and controls nothing.

You couldn't make it up...

As it stands it’s understandable that people would question whether Knapper has the autonomy to sack Wagner. 
Reason being is the owner was on the phone to Wagner offering him reassurances a couple of days before Knapper started. 
Wagner was also hired by Zoe Webber’s husband. 
 

it’s not a conspiracy to question whether those things will make a difference to Knapper being able to sack Wagner at this point. Assuming he wants to 

[nutty nigel 7,554]

Just now, S_81 said:

Sarge is missed for sure. But I think you’re being very kind on Wagner if you think his injury would have prevented the tactical disaster that we see on a regular basis. Wagner isn’t capable of getting our team promoted. He loses far too many games. Has long losing runs. Concedes a massive amount of goals. And can’t change a game for the better from the bench. 
 

He needs to go asap. We can do a lot better. A new coach won’t have all the answers. But he’ll have more than Wagner 

Just like we could do much better than Smith.

Anyone would be better than Worthy/Grant/Roeder/Gunn..

[nutty nigel 7,554]

Just now, S_81 said:

As it stands it’s understandable that people would question whether Knapper has the autonomy to sack Wagner. 
Reason being is the owner was on the phone to Wagner offering him reassurances a couple of days before Knapper started. 
Wagner was also hired by Zoe Webber’s husband. 
 

it’s not a conspiracy to question whether those things will make a difference to Knapper being able to sack Wagner at this point. Assuming he wants to 

They offered no reassurances.

[S_81 814]

Just now, nutty nigel said:

Just like we could do much better than Smith.

Anyone would be better than Worthy/Grant/Roeder/Gunn..

Wagner and Smith are both poor coaches. There are better out there. 

[norfolkngood 1,087]

i hope Knapper has over all control over Wagners job 

if not he should stay in Watford tonight and Go to Arsenal tomorrow begging for his old Job back ,

If the owners will not let him do his job and Sack Wagner tonight 

 

[S_81 814]

1 minute ago, nutty nigel said:

They offered no reassurances.

Then what was the purpose of the phone call? And why was it appropriate to make that call when the new DoF was just about to arrive?

[nutty nigel 7,554]

4 minutes ago, S_81 said:

Then what was the purpose of the phone call? And why was it appropriate to make that call when the new DoF was just about to arrive?

I think the purpose was to say they understood the set backs Wagner had with injuries. If you listen to Wagner he said he appreciated that but knows results are the measure.

Edited November 28, 2023 by nutty nigel

[norfolkngood 1,087]

To be Fair  nearly Every Employee of a company is a Puppet Not many people do not do what the Boss / owner asks 

Edited November 28, 2023 by norfolkngood

[hogesar 9,704]

29 minutes ago, S_81 said:

Or questions be asked about his independence to operate 

The one thing our SD role has is total control. Hence the interest in it from someone like Knapper 

[S_81 814]

1 minute ago, hogesar said:

The one thing our SD role has is total control. Hence the interest in it from someone like Knapper 

Remains to be seen until he takes a major decision 

[nutty nigel 7,554]

1 minute ago, norfolkngood said:

To be Fair  nearly Every Employee ofa company is a Puppet Not many people do not do what the Boss / owner asks 

So everything that happens at Carrow Road is down to the owners? Every success as well as failure? Who'd have thought it. The whole history of this message board needs rewriting...