Covid enquiry today

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 hours ago, Well b back said:

Should be a banned breed.

Who? The Johnsons? To late to stop Boris breeding.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

How did this fool ge tpast a selection committee?

 

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

17 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

How did this fool ge tpast a selection committee?

 

Anyone should be allowed to stand for election as an MP.  But I believe there should be a verbal reasoning test for anyone wishing to serve in a cabinet roll, similar to the test used for the Senior Civil Service. In effect I suppose it is an IQ test but surely we have the right to expect a bit better than the current Government? Regardless of political persuasion, most people would agree that the current ministers just aren't of the standard required. 

[Yellow Fever 3,821]

Cabinet Office’s Simon Case told cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill: ‘I’ve never seen people less well-equipped to run a country’

It's the old adage. Promoted to the position of maximum incompetency. To have followed that up with Truss was just the icing on the cake.

It's not as if people hadn't been warned about Johnson and his kind. Those who voted for him should surely question their own judgment.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

Cabinet Office’s Simon Case told cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill: ‘I’ve never seen people less well-equipped to run a country’

It's the old adage. Promoted to the position of maximum incompetency. To have followed that up with Truss was just the icing on the cake.

It's not as if people hadn't been warned about Johnson and his kind. Those who voted for him should surely question their own judgment.

 

They voted for two things. Immigration and Brexit. And neither of them have resulted in success.

[Well b back 3,275]

I haven’t been listening the last couple of days, did I just hear right on the news that Johnson wanted to inject himself with Covid live on TV ?

[Well b back 3,275]

7 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I haven’t been listening the last couple of days, did I just hear right on the news that Johnson wanted to inject himself with Covid live on TV ?

I did lol

And one of his mates has just also said that he also said ‘ let the bodies pile high ‘ a comment he ridiculed Cummings in parliament for, denying he ever said it.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

16 hours ago, Well b back said:

I did lol

And one of his mates has just also said that he also said ‘ let the bodies pile high ‘ a comment he ridiculed Cummings in parliament for, denying he ever said it.

And then quoted Cincinnatus, a Roman who quashed and massacred those who rose up to ask for more rights. And the nwent back to his plough. Sounds like Johson himself.

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

21 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Cabinet Office’s Simon Case told cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill: ‘I’ve never seen people less well-equipped to run a country’

It's the old adage. Promoted to the position of maximum incompetency. To have followed that up with Truss was just the icing on the cake.

It's not as if people hadn't been warned about Johnson and his kind. Those who voted for him should surely question their own judgment.

 

Those who voted for him should apologise. If this was France everyone would have taken to the streets by now 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

23 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

They voted for two things. Immigration and Brexit. And neither of them have resulted

Fixed it for you

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

21 hours ago, Well b back said:

I haven’t been listening the last couple of days, did I just hear right on the news that Johnson wanted to inject himself with Covid live on TV ?

It would have been safer to inject Covid than Astra-Zeneca. I wonder why you haven't posted about this?

The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has been branded “defective” in a multi-million pound landmark legal action that will suggest claims over its efficacy were “vastly overstated”.    

The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in the High Court in a test case by Jamie Scott, a father-of-two who suffered a significant permanent brain injury that has left him unable to work as a result of a blood clot after receiving the jab in April 2021. A second claim is being brought by the widower and two young children of 35-year-old Alpa Tailor, who died after having the jab made by AstraZeneca, the UK-based pharmaceutical giant.

The test cases could pave the way for as many as 80 damages claims worth an estimated £80 million over a new condition known as Vaccine-induced Immune Thrombocytopenia and Thrombosis (VITT) that was identified by specialists in the wake of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine rollout.

Last year, the World Health Organisation said the vaccine was “safe and effective for all individuals aged 18 and above”.

The vaccine, which was heralded at its launch by Boris Johnson as a “triumph for British science”, is no longer used in the UK. 

In the months following the rollout, the serious side effect of the AstraZeneca jab was identified by scientists. Following this, it was recommend it no longer be given to the under-40s in the UK because the risk of receiving the jab outweighed the serious harm posed by Covid.

Official figures from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) show at least 81 deaths in the UK are suspected to have been linked to the adverse reaction that caused clotting in people who also had low blood platelets. In total, almost one in five people who suffered from the condition died as a result, according to the MHRA’s own figures.

[Well b back 3,275]

7 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

It would have been safer to inject Covid than Astra-Zeneca. I wonder why you haven't posted about this?

The Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has been branded “defective” in a multi-million pound landmark legal action that will suggest claims over its efficacy were “vastly overstated”.    

The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in the High Court in a test case by Jamie Scott, a father-of-two who suffered a significant permanent brain injury that has left him unable to work as a result of a blood clot after receiving the jab in April 2021. A second claim is being brought by the widower and two young children of 35-year-old Alpa Tailor, who died after having the jab made by AstraZeneca, the UK-based pharmaceutical giant.

The test cases could pave the way for as many as 80 damages claims worth an estimated £80 million over a new condition known as Vaccine-induced Immune Thrombocytopenia and Thrombosis (VITT) that was identified by specialists in the wake of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine rollout.

Last year, the World Health Organisation said the vaccine was “safe and effective for all individuals aged 18 and above”.

The vaccine, which was heralded at its launch by Boris Johnson as a “triumph for British science”, is no longer used in the UK. 

In the months following the rollout, the serious side effect of the AstraZeneca jab was identified by scientists. Following this, it was recommend it no longer be given to the under-40s in the UK because the risk of receiving the jab outweighed the serious harm posed by Covid.

Official figures from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) show at least 81 deaths in the UK are suspected to have been linked to the adverse reaction that caused clotting in people who also had low blood platelets. In total, almost one in five people who suffered from the condition died as a result, according to the MHRA’s own figures.

Lol

I should have a look at the posts about how we were better than Europe etc, I believe some of them by you ? when they refused to use Astra Zeneca.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

12 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Lol

I should have a look at the posts about how we were better than Europe etc, I believe some of them by you ? when they refused to use Astra Zeneca.

 

Nah, you go look on the daaaaaaark web.

[Well b back 3,275]

7 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Nah, you go look on the daaaaaaark web.

Don’t use it, wouldn’t even know how to find it.

I do know a lady though that stays up all night listening to these podcasts, she’s weird and very dangerous.

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

12 hours ago, Well b back said:

Don’t use it, wouldn’t even know how to find it.

I do know a lady though that stays up all night listening to these podcasts, she’s weird and very dangerous.

Normal For Norfolk 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

16 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Nah, you go look on the daaaaaaark web.

You seem to be the only one who knows how to use it. I hope you have something a bit stronger than a VPN when you get your kicks.

[horsefly 4,310]

An excellent summary of the Covid inquiry to-date, exposing the criminal level of incompetence of the Johnson government. 

 

[Yellow Fever 3,821]

The longer this goes on the more you wonder who ever voted for these fools.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

I thought Vallance let him off gently. No mention that he was hardly ever at Cobra meetings. Saying he was worse after getting the vrus. Saying sometimes he felt different the next day after his brain dump.

Of course the scientists didn't make the decisions and couldn't fairly resign but only Van Damme appeared ready to be contrary during the public addresses.

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

14 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

The longer this goes on the more you wonder who ever voted for these fools.

Someone phoned in to the BBC today to say that Boris couldn't possibly be expected to understand the science because "most normal people couldn't". 

I despair. 

[Daz Sparks 1,182]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Someone phoned in to the BBC today to say that Boris couldn't possibly be expected to understand the science because "most normal people couldn't". 

I despair. 

I Laughed at the post Dylan, but it's scary really.

[Daz Sparks 1,182]

Going to be interesting to see Johnson squirm today. I wonder how many times he will be lie to the inquiry? I'm going for over a dozen. 

[A K Narey 103]

17 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

Going to be interesting to see Johnson squirm today. I wonder how many times he will be lie to the inquiry? I'm going for over a dozen. 

Every time that he opens his mouth!

Why should today be any different?

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

I'm beginning to doubt the thinking behind the enquiry. I had assumed that the purpose was to make sure we get it right if/when it happens again. Instead it's turned into a mud slinging competition. 

I have very strong feelings about Johnson, Cummings and Hancock and so do most people one way or the other. I doubt any of us are going to change our minds. 

Surely the enquiry should be concentrating on considering what we have learned and how we react in the future? Should we have formed the equivalent of a war time cabinet? Should we have had a Covid Minister (someone like Rory Stewart who had done it before in Africa). Or should we have put the scientists in charge? Most importantly, do we need laws that determine how a future Government reacts? 

Using the enquiry to prove what most of us have already worked out for ourselves is a total waste of time and money. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by dylanisabaddog

[sonyc 5,541]

42 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

Going to be interesting to see Johnson squirm today. I wonder how many times he will be lie to the inquiry? I'm going for over a dozen. 

I can't watch him anymore, such is the reaction created by the man.

What he might say of course is what his sycophant cabinet would parrot at the time...he got the  "big calls right". 

Except...for the care homes policy chaos, selecting Hancock in the first place, the ludicrously not dismissing Cummings for his Barnard Castle affair, not being prepared for a pandemic, the failures in PPE provision, the wastes of money in T&T, let alone having parties in his own house in lockdown, a boozy and toxic culture inside Downing Street, a culture of contracts for friends and funders rather than more suitable contractors. Yeh, the big calls. 

Wonder if he might attempt to deflect the blame. I won't be surprised when I see the 6 o'clock news later or more likely the radio news to hear such a thing. Scientists perhaps guided him not to act. Maybe a hollow apology or some Latin term sprinkled in amongst. 

 

[sonyc 5,541]

1 minute ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I'm beginning to doubt the thinking behind the enquiry. I had assumed that the purpose was to make sure we get it right if/when it happens again. Instead it's turned into a mud slinging competition. 

I have very strong feelings about Johnson, Cummings and Hancock and so do most people one way or the other. I doubt any of us are going to change our minds. 

Surely the enquiry should be concentrating on considering what we have learned and how we react in the future? Should we have formed the equivalent of a war time cabinet? Should we have had a Covid Minister (someone like Rory Stewart who had done it before in Africa). Or should we have put the scientists in charge? Most importantly, do we need laws that determine how a Government reacts? 

Using the enquiry to prove what most of us have already worked out for ourselves is a total waste of time and money. 

Much my take Dylan. Seems to focus on the people involved and we all (most) could see that.

I guess it will be a public record and give a small degree of closure for those who lost family members in care homes.

I'm afraid we were simply unlucky in having the set of individuals governing us in a major pandemic / a time of national emergency. Unsuited for high public office and it showed them up for what they were (and are) unfortunately. The pandemic would have challenged any government of course but that lot were something else. We don't need this enquiry to remind us.

[Yellow Fever 3,821]

38 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I'm afraid we were simply unlucky in having the set of individuals governing us in a major pandemic / a time of national emergency. Unsuited for high public office and it showed them up for what they were (and are) unfortunately. The pandemic would have challenged any government of course but that lot were something else. We don't need this enquiry to remind us.

I agree with this and it does make me wonder if there actually should be some sort of minimum entry qualification for any MP or Minister. A sort of Baccalaureate required. Any A level science/maths etc. Some basic statistics.

Johnson had no 'science' background or studies beyond 15 it's said in an ever more scientific, numerical, data driven world. It's almost as bad as not being able to read/write! 

With this basic lack of understanding of the world its no wonder things went sour. That said we were we warned he and his ilk couldn't add up - the £350M etc.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Yellow Fever

[PurpleCanary 5,580]

A prediction. BoJo the Clown will put the knife into Sunak over the Eat Out And Kill Your Fellow Diners scheme.

[canarydan23 4,060]

9 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

A prediction. BoJo the Clown will put the knife into Sunak over the Eat Out And Kill Your Fellow Diners scheme.

It'll be interesting to see how though.

"Erm, er....well I....erm.....I never liked the idea, it was all Rishi's idea."

"But you were PM, so why didn't you stop it?"

"Well....er.....I er....erm....well....you know I normally get paid six figures for turning up to things and talking, don't you?"

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

43 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I agree with this and it does make me wonder if there actually should be some sort of minimum entry qualification for any MP or Minister. A sort of Baccalaureate required. Any A level science/maths etc. Some basic statistics.

Johnson had no 'science' background or studies beyond 15 it's said in an ever more scientific, numerical, data driven world. It's almost as bad as not being able to read/write! 

With this basic lack of understanding of the world its no wonder things went sour. That said we were we warned he and his ilk couldn't add up - the £350M etc.

In order to join the fast track scheme in the Civil Service, ultimately with the aim of becoming a Senior Civil Servant, it has for some time been necessary to pass a verbal reasoning test which is similar to an IQ test. Whilst I think that anyone elected should be allowed to sit as an MP, I can see no good reason why appointment as a Government Minister should not be dependent on passing the same test. Quite simply, we want the best people in the most important jobs.