Season Ticket Prices

[nutty nigel 7,643]

23 minutes ago, essex canary said:

If they are able to wind down the minority shareholders initiative within a generation the free season tickets could certainly end. 500 games shouldn't really be a problem for 25 grand over a generation should it. I doubt whether the remainder of these 1,000 people are different each time.

These waters are so muddy I shall refer to you as the Hoochie Coochie Man.

Its simple, straight forward, easy to understand, undoubtedly right that...

the cheapest season ticket at Carrow Road is £0 enjoyed by you amongst others. For ever and ever...

[essex canary 506]

9 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

These waters are so muddy I shall refer to you as the Hoochie Coochie Man.

Its simple, straight forward, easy to understand, undoubtedly right that...

the cheapest season ticket at Carrow Road is £0 enjoyed by you amongst others. For ever and ever...

At least I go regularly. I met my mate from Essex on Saturday. He has 4 lounge season tickets in his own name (not an acceptable practice at most other clubs), he probably only managed one game in the back half of last season. I asked whether the Club had enquired as to whether him and his 3 clones of himself were well and why they hadn't been coming to matches bearing in mind that 4 seats together would be like gold dust for many supporters. Not a dickiebird. Once they have banked the money they don't care.

[TIL 1010 4,798]

10 hours ago, essex canary said:

Is that a question for me or David McNally? 

I am sure you have a copy of the recently published Historical Trust publication the "Archive'. The middle of Volume 4 the entry for 18 February 2012 gives lots of detail about that days attendance. Ditto for 7 January.

Got to hand it to Nigel, he could have been good in the CNS debating society.  My foolishness in backing that Brexit and Boris lover Mervyn.

There has to be a reasoning behind the games you picked out being FA Cup games apart from the fact that everybody including season ticket holders had to pay for their seat.

 

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

17 minutes ago, essex canary said:

At least I go regularly. I met my mate from Essex on Saturday. He has 4 lounge season tickets in his own name (not an acceptable practice at most other clubs), he probably only managed one game in the back half of last season. I asked whether the Club had enquired as to whether him and his 3 clones of himself were well and why they hadn't been coming to matches bearing in mind that 4 seats together would be like gold dust for many supporters. Not a dickiebird. Once they have banked the money they don't care.

Is it the clubs job to monitor whether a seat they've sold is occupied?

 

[Greavsy 2,430]

3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Is it the clubs job to monitor whether a seat they've sold is occupied?

 

Oh god, you'll start him off again......

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

11 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Oh god, you'll start him off again......

Perhaps his local ASDA sends someone round to his house to make sure all the food he's bought has been eaten.

 

[nutty nigel 7,643]

12 hours ago, essex canary said:

At least I go regularly. I met my mate from Essex on Saturday. He has 4 lounge season tickets in his own name (not an acceptable practice at most other clubs), he probably only managed one game in the back half of last season. I asked whether the Club had enquired as to whether him and his 3 clones of himself were well and why they hadn't been coming to matches bearing in mind that 4 seats together would be like gold dust for many supporters. Not a dickiebird. Once they have banked the money they don't care.

More muddying of the waters.

What is the cheapest season ticket at Carrow Road?

Edited August 7, 2023 by nutty nigel

[cornish sam 966]

It's really weird this complaining about season ticket prices when we sell out and consistently have a waiting list. Basic economics therefore shows they are not overpriced regardless of what other clubs may charge... The club needs all the money they can get yet obviously aren't maximising income from tickets or there wouldn't be a waiting list, so why begrudge the club you support making money to invest in the club you support?

[nutty nigel 7,643]

2 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

It's really weird this complaining about season ticket prices when we sell out and consistently have a waiting list. Basic economics therefore shows they are not overpriced regardless of what other clubs may charge... The club needs all the money they can get yet obviously aren't maximising income from tickets or there wouldn't be a waiting list, so why begrudge the club you support making money to invest in the club you support?

Especially if you get yours free...

[essex canary 506]

12 hours ago, cornish sam said:

It's really weird this complaining about season ticket prices when we sell out and consistently have a waiting list. Basic economics therefore shows they are not overpriced regardless of what other clubs may charge... The club needs all the money they can get yet obviously aren't maximising income from tickets or there wouldn't be a waiting list, so why begrudge the club you support making money to invest in the club you support?

Because it follows that the economics of the Club ultimately depend upon the economics and preferences of the people that support it. 

In the days when actual attendances were reported, people could simply turn up on the day when they felt like it and when they didn't no payment was required and somebody else could go and to a certain extent select a vantage point to their liking.

The current arrangements around buy back schemes reimbursing peanuts or charitable giveaways don't adequately compensate and leave empty seats often in prime viewing positions and perhaps even the request for further ground capacity is overstated.

 

[Mello Yello 2,303]

The cynic in me thinks there's currently an ulterior motive and reason that they haven't expanded the ground....and probably won't do for the foreseeable future....

[TIL 1010 4,798]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

 

In the days when actual attendances were reported, people could simply turn up on the day when they felt like it and when they didn't no payment was required and somebody else could go and to a certain extent select a vantage point to their liking.

 

 

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[TIL 1010 4,798]

Apologies that the photo has not appeared as it should.

Edited August 8, 2023 by TIL 1010

[NewNestCarrow 203]

2 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

The cynic in me thinks there's currently an ulterior motive and reason that they haven't expanded the ground....and probably won't do for the foreseeable future....

So you don't think the outlay far outweighs the benefit?

You don't think that spending big on (arguably) unnecessary infrastructure is a route sure to make an owner unpopular with fans?

You think that NCFC can fill thousands of new seats with tourists & lounge-types, paying £300+ per match?

And what is this "ulterior motive"?

[nutty nigel 7,643]

25 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

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[TIL 1010 4,798]

3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Ah yes these were the good old days essex is talking about when you could just turn up when and if you wanted and got your own vantage point. I wonder what the actual attendance was that day ?

[NewNestCarrow 203]

9 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Over 43,000 for a weekday-afternoon kick-off. Prob the fullest CR has ever been (the 1963 record gate was after the South Stand had been enlarged)

Shockingly there were 269 complimentary tickets given out that day. No wonder the club was in such a state.

[NewNestCarrow 203]

21 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Ah yes these were the good old days essex is talking about when you could just turn up when and if you wanted and got your own vantage point. I wonder what the actual attendance was that day ?

Officially 43,129

[nutty nigel 7,643]

32 minutes ago, NewNestCarrow said:

Over 43,000 for a weekday-afternoon kick-off. Prob the fullest CR has ever been (the 1963 record gate was after the South Stand had been enlarged)

Shockingly there were 269 complimentary tickets given out that day. No wonder the club was in such a state.

Before my time but I have heard lots about it at reminiscence groups. One guy told me how he got an afternoon off work and couldn't believe the crowds. Not sure how they got them all in, or counted them. Think it was a Thursday afternoon before floodlights. 

[NewNestCarrow 203]

3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Before my time but I have heard lots about it at reminiscence groups. One guy told me how he got an afternoon off work and couldn't believe the crowds. Not sure how they got them all in, or counted them. Think it was a Thursday afternoon before floodlights. 

Original tie at Portsmouth on the Sat, replay took place the following Thursday.

Imagine the horror of having to organise annual leave & travel at such short notice?!!  (of course walk-up train tickets were affordable in those days)

[wcorkcanary 4,342]

16 hours ago, cornish sam said:

It's really weird this complaining about season ticket prices when we sell out and consistently have a waiting list. Basic economics therefore shows they are not overpriced regardless of what other clubs may charge... The club needs all the money they can get yet obviously aren't maximising income from tickets or there wouldn't be a waiting list, so why begrudge the club you support making money to invest in the club you support?

Because he's a tw@ !!

[essex canary 506]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Ah yes these were the good old days essex is talking about when you could just turn up when and if you wanted and got your own vantage point. I wonder what the actual attendance was that day ?

Fair point and even I didn't sometimes such as the League Cup tie in 1971 v Chelsea but there were still plenty of opportunities where that could be achieved and where trains would run to service the fixtures.

[wcorkcanary 4,342]

2 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

Apologies that the photo has not appeared as it should.

Take a photo of the photo, it's all the rage nowadays aparently.  

[Midlands Yellow 4,083]

4 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

Is that you leaning forward against the sign front row Nutty? 

[essex canary 506]

6 hours ago, NewNestCarrow said:

Over 43,000 for a weekday-afternoon kick-off. Prob the fullest CR has ever been (the 1963 record gate was after the South Stand had been enlarged)

Shockingly there were 269 complimentary tickets given out that day. No wonder the club was in such a state.

Yes around half of one per cent complimentaries then as opposed to four per cent for the Leicester Cup Tie of 2012. Some of the AD shareholders maybe part of the difference but only a small part.

[Mello Yello 2,303]

On 08/08/2023 at 13:13, NewNestCarrow said:

So you don't think the outlay far outweighs the benefit?

You don't think that spending big on (arguably) unnecessary infrastructure is a route sure to make an owner unpopular with fans?

You think that NCFC can fill thousands of new seats with tourists & lounge-types, paying £300+ per match?

And what is this "ulterior motive"?

The City Stand is now looking tired and archaic....and even with those 'it's been quite a few years ago now' welcome extension additions of the Thorpe and Wensum Wings, the City stand is in my opinion too outdated, inferior and too bleedin' small (bijou but without the elegance). It was a budget and an economy downsize built City stand replacement for the original that suffered extensive fire damage....But apparently the solid foundations laid for the new City stand would allow a tier extension?.....

The present City Stand (especially at half-time) has cramped facilities in the lounges, coupled with sub-standard and insufficient Ladies & Gents lavatories for the amount of people who attend on match days....Alas also the leg-room offered in the Cathedral area stand seats, are categorically worse than what Ryanair have on their exquisite fleet.....and I pay annually the best part o' £900 sheets for the privilege of my patella's touching my ear lobes.....My choice, no pain no gain....

Match-day access and departure to and from the Castle, County and Cathedral lounges through their roadside entrances and exits, are via narrow stairs up to the upper lounges, and it is more than a challenge when vacating post game that even our current fit as a mountain goat Crag-hoppin' DoF Stu, would struggle to negotiate (but as a positive not so much during pre-match access, as supporter entry is controlled and fan arrivals are staggered)....

Although unfortunately at full-time.....it's like when world's collide when fan folk of various age groups and levels of mobility are attempting to exit....and are all merging with the other lounge escapees down the stairs....Oh, and then we have those distinguished guests who have occupied the exec boxes in the River End who are being escorted along the rear of the City stand along the narrow corridor, on their way to be entertained in the Gunn club or are off to sup an' scoff with the club hierarchy in the Director's Lounge - and the exec box occupants are also attempting to weave through me, us, them an' those departing the lounges....It's quite an intimate and emotional experience....

Anyway I digress....

I think as I explain with reasons above, that a new City Stand is a more of a necessity than a luxury or a 'we don't really need it or anyway we can't afford it'....Or that it's an unnecessary infrastructure that'll make an owner unpopular with its fans?....From a wooden fence nearly 20 years ago during the South Stand construction that for games had a few folk sat in front of it, to a big South Stand that is now rarely empty?....I think a new City Stand will more than emulate the success of the South Stand, especially if it's a multi functional venue building that's utilised for non-match days....I'm sure folk with a business acumen could design a corporate hybrid multi-functioning and various uses stand? Let's look at and see what other clubs do or have done?....Build it and they will come....Why do we have a ST waiting list?....

Oh and please don't think what you think I think....

....and the 'ulterior motive?'....Supply and Demand....and it's all about control....and in my opinion, has been for the last quarter plus of a century....It's just the cynic in me....

 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,863]

@essex canary, now that the Barclay lower has its own exclusive bar pre-match, do you think it's right that the season ticket holders in that part of the ground pay the same amount as those in the River End lower, which is exactly the same view in an identical stand but without use of said bar? Do you think this is right, or have the club made a serious misjudgment by not amending season ticket prices accordingly?

[essex canary 506]

2 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

@essex canary, now that the Barclay lower has its own exclusive bar pre-match, do you think it's right that the season ticket holders in that part of the ground pay the same amount as those in the River End lower, which is exactly the same view in an identical stand but without use of said bar? Do you think this is right, or have the club made a serious misjudgment by not amending season ticket prices accordingly?

My opinion would be that improvements or deterioration in facilties enjoyed or otherwise by fans ought to be taken into account in the Annual Review of season ticket prices rather than simply flat rate adjustments or nil change as has been the practice for the last 12 years or so.

[nutty nigel 7,643]

10 minutes ago, essex canary said:

My opinion would be that improvements or deterioration in facilties enjoyed or otherwise by fans ought to be taken into account in the Annual Review of season ticket prices rather than simply flat rate adjustments or nil change as has been the practice for the last 12 years or so.

Do you overpay for your facilities? 

[Greavsy 2,430]

15 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Do you overpay for your facilities? 

Im sure his descendants will in the future too!