Sheffield Utd v Blackburn FA Cup

[dylanisabaddog 6,143]

Anyone watching? VAR pen given for blocking a shot with an arm. I'm obviously confused with the rules because I thought that was a red. 

Blackburn scored the penalty 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,633]

Ridiculous. If you give a peno, you have to give a red. The fact he gave a yellow suggests there was doubt in the decision, so shouldn’t have been overturned by VAR. 

[dylanisabaddog 6,143]

9 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Ridiculous. If you give a peno, you have to give a red. The fact he gave a yellow suggests there was doubt in the decision, so shouldn’t have been overturned by VAR. 

That's what I thought! Seems strange. 

These two teams look light years ahead of us I'm afraid. Not necessarily in talent but more in terms of speed and application 

Edited March 19, 2023 by dylanisabaddog

[dylanisabaddog 6,143]

Empty seats which isn't great for a quarter final

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

Some might recall that many years ago Ian Culverhouse was deemed to have given away a penalty against Ipswich Town when the ball being crossed by their wide man struck his arm. 

This was my first realisation that involuntary "handball" was a penalty offence. Hence, why I still remember that one single incident and to this day considered we were hard done by. Although, obviously, it is because of the opposition and in any other game it would have long since been forgotten.

By the same token today's decision was a penalty, although the Scot commentating remained adamant that it was the wrong decision.

Although he has just stated that "if that's the rule, then the rule is wrong." I tend to agree with him.

[dylanisabaddog 6,143]

3 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

Some might recall that many years ago Ian Culverhouse was deemed to have given away a penalty against Ipswich Town when the ball being crossed by their wide man struck his arm. 

This was my first realisation that involuntary "handball" was a penalty offence. Hence, why I still remember that one single incident and to this day considered we were hard done by. Although, obviously, it is because of the opposition and in any other game it would have long since been forgotten.

By the same token today's decision was a penalty, although the Scot commentating remained adamant that it was the wrong decision.

Although he has just stated that "if that's the rule, then the rule is wrong." I tend to agree with him.

To be fair, Ally McCoist is probably confused by a revolving door. It's all well and good me not knowing the rules but he's getting paid for this. 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

44 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Ridiculous. If you give a peno, you have to give a red. The fact he gave a yellow suggests there was doubt in the decision, so shouldn’t have been overturned by VAR. 

No - there’s meant to be a double-jeopardy rule, unless he considers it deliberate (eg the guy for the binners vs us in the play offs) it’s not a red. 

Edited March 19, 2023 by Branston Pickle

[Big O 287]

Every team has a footballer you dislike but sheff utd seem to be a collection of them. George Baldock is beyond special 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,633]

6 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

No - there’s meant to be a double-jeopardy rule, unless he considers it deliberate (eg the guy for the binners vs us in the play offs) it’s not a red. 

But surely he overturned it because he deemed it deliberate? 

Tbh, the rules / interpretation is lost on me. 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

5 minutes ago, Big O said:

Every team has a footballer you dislike but sheff utd seem to be a collection of them. George Baldock is beyond special 

Not a fan - my wife is from that neck of the woods, when we used to stay I’d often go to watch Sheff Wed.  I definitely made the right choice. 

[Big O 287]

Tim Robinson turning in another wonderful performance so far! Dear oh dear, he tries to let it go in fairness but misses so many obvious fouls 

[chicken 3,086]

58 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Ridiculous. If you give a peno, you have to give a red. The fact he gave a yellow suggests there was doubt in the decision, so shouldn’t have been overturned by VAR. 

No. Rules have changed, a couple of seasons ago now I believe.

You no longer have to give a straight red for a defender being last man or a handball etc. This is because the FA felt that it was a double punishment - giving a penalty that is more usually scored AND putting the conceding team down to 10men when it could be a genuine attempt to tackle that wouldn't even be carded elsewhere on the pitch, or an accidental handball etc.

For me, it doesn't look like a hand/arm movement towards the ball. If anything he's trying to pull his arm out of the way. Pen and a yellow is correct for me. I even think a yellow is a tad harsh. 

[mattyboy 1]

What a dire decision in awarding the penalty.

IN no way on a week of Sundays was that a deliberate handball? POint blank range and the ball hit him, rather than him making a movement towards the ball.

An if the referee/VAR thought that was a penalty then it should also have been a red card.

So in no way could it have been described as a good decision.

 

 

PLease can we get rid of VAR?

 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

No. Rules have changed, a couple of seasons ago now I believe.

You no longer have to give a straight red for a defender being last man or a handball etc. This is because the FA felt that it was a double punishment - giving a penalty that is more usually scored AND putting the conceding team down to 10men when it could be a genuine attempt to tackle that wouldn't even be carded elsewhere on the pitch, or an accidental handball etc.

For me, it doesn't look like a hand/arm movement towards the ball. If anything he's trying to pull his arm out of the way. Pen and a yellow is correct for me. I even think a yellow is a tad harsh. 

That’s what I was saying about double jeopardy (wrong word perhaps).  Same applies to a foul by a keeper, if he’s making a fair effort at getting the ball it’s not a red.

[chicken 3,086]

35 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

Some might recall that many years ago Ian Culverhouse was deemed to have given away a penalty against Ipswich Town when the ball being crossed by their wide man struck his arm. 

This was my first realisation that involuntary "handball" was a penalty offence. Hence, why I still remember that one single incident and to this day considered we were hard done by. Although, obviously, it is because of the opposition and in any other game it would have long since been forgotten.

By the same token today's decision was a penalty, although the Scot commentating remained adamant that it was the wrong decision.

Although he has just stated that "if that's the rule, then the rule is wrong." I tend to agree with him.

I think there is an argument to say that the deflection actually forced the keeper to re-adjust and so didn't actually prevent a goal or a chance. There doesn't have to be a penalty if the ref doesn't think it was deliberate or avoidable and no advantage was gained by it. I can see why some would think it a harsh one to give, I certainly think a yellow is harsh as it suggests the ref believes it was deliberate.

I've had to ref a game before and gave a penalty against my own team as a player raised his hands in front of his face to prevent the ball hitting his good looks... 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

3 minutes ago, chicken said:

I've had to ref a game before and gave a penalty against my own team as a player raised his hands in front of his face to prevent the ball hitting his good looks... 

Tbh the pen for Burnley against Hanley wasn’t dissimilar to that.  Tbh there’s an argument that a player should be able to protect himself from getting bashed in the face.

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

Sheff Utd will rip us to bits if they replicate their play of the last twenty minutes today. 

[hogesar 10,763]

4 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Sheff Utd will rip us to bits if they replicate their play of the last twenty minutes today. 

To be fair, at times both teams looked to have more about them than us for the most part.

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

So onto Brighton. Come on the Mariners then?

That's if you support the underdogs.

That Arena stadium looks magnificent to my eyes. Where did the money come from for that when we've spent years pontificating over the expense of replacing just one stand, and an outdated embarrassment of a stand come to that?  

Brighton were homeless and rock bottom not that many years ago.

Did American Express pay for it all? Where did that link-up come from?

Let's hope that Atanasio shows similar enterprise. The Silicon Valley Bank Stand perhaps? 

5 mins. Game over?

Edited March 19, 2023 by BroadstairsR

[Bovril 264]

40 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

So onto Brighton. Come on the Mariners then?

That's if you support the underdogs.

That Arena stadium looks magnificent to my eyes. Where did the money come from for that when we've spent years pontificating over the expense of replacing just one stand, and an outdated embarrassment of a stand come to that?  

Brighton were homeless and rock bottom not that many years ago.

Did American Express pay for it all? Where did that link-up come from?

Let's hope that Atanasio shows similar enterprise. The Silicon Valley Bank Stand perhaps? 

5 mins. Game over?

Tony Bloom

[CANARYKING 708]

Sheffield drawn against Msn City which means Doyle and McAtee can’t play