Norwich City supporting LGBTQ+ History month

[Dean Coneys boots 1,406]

6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

If you've grown "tired" of a 3 second kneeling demonstration of players showing solidarity with their (BAME) colleagues, or mention of LGBTQ+ issues, that says plenty about your levels of tolerance and nothing at all about the relevance of addressing those issues within football. 

Here we go - the haughty moral superiority of my view to yours. Stop it please - it’s nasty and it’s what is making our culture ever more intolerant in the name of tolerance. The woke puritan movement.

[canarydan23 4,060]

Just now, Dean Coneys boots said:

Here we go - the haughty moral superiority of my view to yours. Stop it please - it’s nasty and it’s what is making our culture ever more intolerant in the name of tolerance. The woke puritan movement.

Just to be sure, we shouldn't be tolerant of people taking the knee but should be tolerant of those who don't like people taking the knee? Is that where we're at with you guys now?

[horsefly 4,315]

Just now, Dean Coneys boots said:

Here we go - the haughty moral superiority of my view to yours. Stop it please - it’s nasty and it’s what is making our culture ever more intolerant in the name of tolerance. The woke puritan movement.

Here we go- refusal to address very simple issues of treating people of all ethnicities and sexualities as equals in a sport that should be judged purely on footballing merit alone. The let's not challenge bigotry movement.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,406]

Just now, canarydan23 said:

Just to be sure, we shouldn't be tolerant of people taking the knee but should be tolerant of those who don't like people taking the knee? Is that where we're at with you guys now?

Not at all. We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them. It doesn’t make you a bad person if your boat is not floated by political correctness. Nor if it has become your new religion. My message - be kind to everyone is a better rallying slogan than getting football embroiled in woke wars. 
 

Take black lives matters as the perfect example. I detest racism and would happily take a knee for the kick it out campaign whose only objective is the eradication of racism in football. I would never take a knee for BLM because they are an extreme left wing agitation group with strong socialist impulses which I abhor just as much as racism. What is worse they hide behind the cause - labelling anyone bad if they refuse to now but then raking in cash for other political causes. No thanks from me.

if it’s your thing - fair game. But keep it out of football 

[canarydan23 4,060]

30 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Not at all. We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them. It doesn’t make you a bad person if your boat is not floated by political correctness. Nor if it has become your new religion. My message - be kind to everyone is a better rallying slogan than getting football embroiled in woke wars. 
 

Take black lives matters as the perfect example. I detest racism and would happily take a knee for the kick it out campaign whose only objective is the eradication of racism in football. I would never take a knee for BLM because they are an extreme left wing agitation group with strong socialist impulses which I abhor just as much as racism. What is worse they hide behind the cause - labelling anyone bad if they refuse to now but then raking in cash for other political causes. No thanks from me.

if it’s your thing - fair game. But keep it out of football 

Kick it Out endorse taking the knee.

[cornish sam 965]

28 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Not at all. We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them. It doesn’t make you a bad person if your boat is not floated by political correctness. Nor if it has become your new religion. My message - be kind to everyone is a better rallying slogan than getting football embroiled in woke wars. 

Ok, so just taking this in isolation, what if people were systematically treating a race or (for sake of argument) religious group in a discriminatory way, can we "claim moral superiority" over them and try to get them to stop because we disagree with them? What about if they said that they were only allowed to live in certain places? How about then? What about if they were packed off to "education" camps? 

At what point does bigotry have to be present for you to say that we are justified in trying to do something about it?

[horsefly 4,315]

14 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

Ok, so just taking this in isolation, what if people were systematically treating a race or (for sake of argument) religious group in a discriminatory way, can we "claim moral superiority" over them and try to get them to stop because we disagree with them? What about if they said that they were only allowed to live in certain places? How about then? What about if they were packed off to "education" camps? 

At what point does bigotry have to be present for you to say that we are justified in trying to do something about it?

Spot on! It is utterly absurd to claim that anti-racism isn't morally superior to racism, or that anti-homophobia isn't morally superior to homophobia. DCB's claim, "We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them" is both ridiculous and completely disingenuous. Some disagreements are indeed irrelevant to morality, however, racism and homophobia DO NOT fall into that category. Disagreements in these cases are fundamentally about how REAL people are treated. Toleration of bigotry and unequal treatment in these cases is not an acceptable moral option.

[Mr Angry 1,571]

It’s quite simple for me really. Society needs regular reminders that all forms of discrimination are unacceptable.

I don’t know why these reminders upset people so much. You are free to ignore them.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,801]

6 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

It’s quite simple for me really. Society needs regular reminders that all forms of discrimination are unacceptable.

I don’t know why these reminders upset people so much. You are free to ignore them.

The fact that less than 5 minutes of Norwich posting this article onto their facebook page the post was bombarded with angy emojis and had countless posts on it along the lines of '**** LGBT you are sick' 'Dont post degeneracy' 'You will relegate for this burn in hell' (Although mostly posts seemingly coming from the Middle East and Africa admittedly) does show that there are still issues. Of course no doubt there always will be but society and the world still has a loooong way to go.

[Badger 2,412]

1 hour ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Not at all. We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them.

Heaven forfend that anyone should look down on others and claim moral superiority because we disagree with them - says someone who accuses people that disagree with him a are "easy virtue signalling," "unthinking" ""cheap".

A perfect example of your "tolerant and kind" agenda?

20 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

cheap way of garnering support through easy virtue signalling is a little trite

 

20 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Fashionable though - especially amongst the unthinking

 

20 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

doubtless some will delight in using this as a great opportunity to signal their own moral superiority

 

[Kenny Foggo 1,116]

If you want to know why it needs doing, have a look into attitudes at the Met police, with regards to homophobia.

I support this and black history month, rememberance day etc. They all highlight our diversity and promote good will and tolerance.

The thing that tends to cause the most unrest and hatred in my experience is ignorance.

[Badger 2,412]

1 hour ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

strong socialist impulses which I abhor just as much as racism

Interesting that you abhor socialism as much as racism. It kind of suggests, were any further evidence needed, that you just don't get it. 

[Badger 2,412]

1 minute ago, Kenny Foggo said:

The thing that tends to cause the most unrest and hatred in my experience is ignorance.

Agree - it is an almost immutable law that those who complain the most about awareness issues and unconscious bias are those that are most in need of the education!

[cambridgeshire canary 6,801]

1 hour ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Not at all. We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them. It doesn’t make you a bad person if your boat is not floated by political correctness. Nor if it has become your new religion. My message - be kind to everyone is a better rallying slogan than getting football embroiled in woke wars. 
 

Take black lives matters as the perfect example. I detest racism and would happily take a knee for the kick it out campaign whose only objective is the eradication of racism in football. I would never take a knee for BLM because they are an extreme left wing agitation group with strong socialist impulses which I abhor just as much as racism. What is worse they hide behind the cause - labelling anyone bad if they refuse to now but then raking in cash for other political causes. No thanks from me.

if it’s your thing - fair game. But keep it out of football 

Could you please be so kind as to explain to me what you think socialism is and why you dislike it as much as racism?

[Badger 2,412]

5 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Could you please be so kind as to explain to me what you think socialism is and why you dislike it as much as racism?

Good luck with this request😆 He doesn't have a clue.

[Nora's Ghost 157]

37 minutes ago, Badger said:

Agree - it is an almost immutable law that those who complain the most about awareness issues and unconscious bias are those that are most in need of the education!

Arrogant twaddle.

[Kenny Foggo 1,116]

55 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

It’s quite simple for me really. Society needs regular reminders that all forms of discrimination are unacceptable.

I don’t know why these reminders upset people so much. You are free to ignore them.

I think these reminders make people upset because they don't sweep issues under the carpet and make them question views, values and preconceived prejudices personally... that's why people do them. I suspect LGBTQ+ people and Black people would love not to have a LGBTQ+ or Black History Month as they would be feeling totally integrated into society.

 

[horsefly 4,315]

3 minutes ago, Nora's Ghost said:

Arrogant twaddle.

Well done for proving Badger right. 

[Dean Coneys boots 1,406]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Good luck with this request😆 He doesn't have a clue.

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

[horsefly 4,315]

10 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

Exactly the sort of spurious disingenuous tripe that we would expect from you. Not one person here would do anything other than utterly condemn the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin et al. You have to be pretty thick to think the regimes run by those  individuals bear any resemblance at all to democratic socialist policies . ALL non-democratic dictatorships are to be condemned.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,801]

5 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Exactly the sort of spurious disingenuous tripe that we would expect from you. Not one person here would do anything other than utterly condemn the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin et al. You have to be pretty thick to think the regimes run by those  individuals bear any resemblance at all to democratic socialist policies . ALL non-democratic dictatorships are to be condemned.

Oh come on now everybody knows that if we adopted a form of social organization that means that the production and distribution of goods and services would be owned by the local community rather than big fatcat industries this country would turn into a communist police state dictatorship overnight 😉

[cornish sam 965]

20 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

Stalin, Pol pot and North Korea are/were despots hiding behind a socialist name, I'm surprised you haven't rolled out Hitler since he was leader of the national socialist party!

What about the countless millions that have been subjected in the name of capitalism? The whole slave trade for example, systemic genocide of native peoples to allow the expansion of free market countries? 

[horsefly 4,315]

1 minute ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Oh come on now everybody knows that if we adopted a form of social organization that means that the production and distribution of goods and services would be owned by the local community rather than big fatcat industries this country would turn into a communist police state dictatorship overnight 😉

Silly me! Go Boris! Hero of the ordinary man!

[cambridgeshire canary 6,801]

5 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

It's always funny watching the Norwich City FB page when they change the profile pic at the sheer number of angry reacts it gets from people called Triggerd al Goatfukka or whatever.

Is rather strange how none of them are around or react to any of the other posts but the second any post relating to anything LGBT pops up within seconds it's got tons of angry reacts and vile comments..

[Kenny Foggo 1,116]

1 hour ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

You think Pol Pot, Stalin & North Korea define Socialism? Really.... c'mon 

I have been to Cuba(you?) and they have many things that are better than here & many that are not....it's a great place to visit. The lives of it's citizens would be greatly improved if the blockade of it's country was lifted by its huge neighbour, how doesn't want it to go it's own way.

By your thinking does that mean, as Thatcher was a big friend of Pinochet (murdered thousands) then the Conservatives are an extreme right wing military junta? You being to live in Oldham or Sunderland etc. desperate places to live.

I would suggest looking up National Socialism versus the concept of Socialism.

Anyway, this was about celebrating LGBTQ+ etc. and why some struggle with it. Each to there own I suppose..

Edited February 2, 2022 by Kenny Foggo

[horsefly 4,315]

2 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Is rather strange how none of them are around or react to any of the other posts but the second any post relating to anything LGBT pops up within seconds it's got tons of angry reacts and vile comments..

You have to feel sorry for the poor little snowflakes, so easily triggered.

[TheGunnShow 6,006]

5 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Is rather strange how none of them are around or react to any of the other posts but the second any post relating to anything LGBT pops up within seconds it's got tons of angry reacts and vile comments..

Exactly.

[horsefly 4,315]

2 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

You think Pol Pot, Stalin & North Korea define Socialism? Really.... c'mon 

I have been to Cuba(you?) and they have many things that are better than here & many that are not....it's a great place to visit. The lives of it's citizens would be greatly improved if the blockade of it's country was lifted by its huge neighbour, how doesn't want it to go it's own way.

By your thinking does that mean, as Thatcher was a big friend of Pinochet (murdered thousands) then the Conservatives are an extreme right wing military junta? You being to live in Oldham or Sunderland etc. desperate places to live.

I would suggest looking up National Socialism versus the concept of Socialism.

Anyway, this was about celebrating LGBTQ+ etc. any why some struggle with it. Each to there own I suppose..

Indeed! And let's not forget Thatcher's opposition to sanctions against South Africa.

[king canary 7,678]

Here is what I don't understand...why does this bother so many people?

Taking a look ast the article on the website the sum total of this seems to be...

• Rainbow social media avatars
• A matchday programme focusing on LGBTQ+ experience in sports/Justin Fashanu
• Some videos on their social channels.

If you're one of those who this isn't of interest to then surely just ignore it and move on? It doesn't harm you in any way and it might possibly make a fan who is struggling with their sexuality or identity feel a bit more welcome and included in the sport they love- what's not to like about it?

Finally, the fact this sort of thing attracts these sorts of comments both on here and on social media kind of shows why its still needed. If people who didn't care for it could just shrug their shoulders and walk on maybe people wouldn't feel the need to make a big deal about this sort of thing. 

[Badger 2,412]

53 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

That's not an answer at all! There is no definition of socialism and what it actually is at all - just a list of wicked people who claim to be socialist. 

I might just as easily say that all the millions of people killed by Christians for their religious beliefs, the Spanish Conquistadors, the Ku Klux Klan, the pogroms of Jews by Christians, Jim Jones, David Koresh define Christianity.

But for me to say so would be as pathetic as your answer. Che Guevara doesn't define socialism any more than the Ku Klux Klan define Christianity.

All you are doing with posts like this is to emphasise the need for education that you resist!