The Brexit Thread (reprise)

[Herman 9,767]

@sonyc and others that like John Harris's writing. A new series on Radio 4 that you may be interested in. Basically what he writes about but on radio.👍

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ytz7

[sonyc 5,519]

Indeed Herman, many thanks. I was going to post to mention to @Van wink that he is covering Swansea on 26th August.

Will be listening for sure. He is someone who writes very much informed from what he hears on the ground. Proper journalism in my books... rather than the stuff you read which feels jaded, cynical and somehow 'lifted'. He also writes with a real heart.

Edited August 18, 2021 by sonyc

[Herman 9,767]

https://news.sky.com/story/food-industry-supply-chain-chaos-result-of-brexit-british-poultry-association-says-12384770

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

14 hours ago, Herman said:

https://news.sky.com/story/food-industry-supply-chain-chaos-result-of-brexit-british-poultry-association-says-12384770

Yes, looks like the Christmas Roast is shaping up to be another victim of Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu.

All as predicted of course, but rubbished by idiotic Brexiteers as 'Project Fear' 😂

 

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

2 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Yes, looks like the Christmas Roast is shaping up to be another victim of Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu.

All as predicted of course, but rubbished by idiotic Brexiteers as 'Project Fear' 😂

 

Let them the eat cake.....

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

9 minutes ago, horsefly said:

So he claims he's just winding us up. Time for all of us to block him if that's the case. What a sad little twa*t!

Quite right, I blocked him a long while ago and it does work quite well up to a point, but when someone posts as frequently as Swindon its almost inevitable that people respond and if they quote his post in their reply then you still get to see it. So one way and another, even with him blocked you still get to see far more of his posts than anyone would wish to.

So, the only solution seems to be to just completely ignore him and also perhaps switch over to this, far more aptly named thread, to discuss Brexit issues. I think it's pretty clear now that a 'positive' Brexit thread was always an absurd idea/title and Swindon doesn't seem to like posting on this thread which has to be a plus for everyone else. 😀

[horsefly 4,300]

Just now, Creative Midfielder said:

Quite right, I blocked him a long while ago and it does work quite well up to a point, but when someone posts as frequently as Swindon its almost inevitable that people respond and if they quote his post in their reply then you still get to see it. So one way and another, even with him blocked you still get to see far more of his posts than anyone would wish to.

So, the only solution seems to be to just completely ignore him and also perhaps switch over to this, far more aptly named thread, to discuss Brexit issues. I think it's pretty clear now that a 'positive' Brexit thread was always an absurd idea/title and Swindon doesn't seem to like posting on this thread which has to be a plus for everyone else. 😀

I'm with you all the way, excellent idea.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

Another success in donkey Frost's ongoing quest to re-unite Ireland https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/27/freight-traffic-between-britain-and-dublin-has-dropped-by-a-fifth-since-brexit

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Another success in donkey Frost's ongoing quest to re-unite Ireland https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/27/freight-traffic-between-britain-and-dublin-has-dropped-by-a-fifth-since-brexit

Yes Global Ireland seems to be doing well unshackled 

[horsefly 4,300]

The Government's own spending watchdog says BREXIT is significantly to blame for the current supply crisis:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-has-worsened-uk-supply-chain-crisis-government-s-spending-watchdog-says-b1946394.html

Brexit has worsened UK supply chain crisis, government’s spending watchdog says

Office for Budget Responsibility contradicts government line

[horsefly 4,300]

The Government's own Office for Budget Responsibility has confirmed what most of us think about Freeports. They offer no economic advantage to the country but lots of opportunities for corruption, rich tax-dodgers, and money launderers.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/freeports-of-no-economic-benefit-says-treasury-watchdog-in-damning-verdict/ar-AAQ1r8N?ocid=msedgntp

Freeports of no economic benefit says Treasury watchdog, in damning verdict

Freeports will fail to boost the UK economy, the Treasury watchdog says, in a damning verdict on Rishi Sunak’s flagship policy. 

Eight English ports are being granted controversial tax breaks – to “generate trade and jobs”, the chancellor has claimed – at a cost of £200m, in what has been hailed as a benefit from Brexit.

But the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has dismissed the claim in its assessment of the budget and spending review, in an embarrassment to ministers.

“We have assumed that the main effect of the freeports will be to alter the location rather than the volume of economic activity,” its report says.

“So the costs have been estimated on the basis of activity being displaced from elsewhere.”

The verdict adds to criticism that the freeports open the door to corruption, the reason why the the EU is cracking down on the policy.

Freeports allow goods to be imported temporarily without tariffs, excise duties and other taxes being paid – before those goods are shipped on again.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Yes Global Ireland seems to be doing well unshackled 

Certainly does, and whether by luck or judgement the Irish seem to have picked an ideal moment to sign up to the new minimum rate of Corporation Tax. They were always going to have to do it at some point but they were obviously very concerned that it would impact on the many big (largely US) companies that had moved there for the low Corporation Tax and other tax breaks.

But in practice Brexit is cementing Dublin (and Ireland) as a bridge between the US and EU at the expense of London (and the UK), and as with supply chains now being routed through Ireland (and other EU countries) rather than the UK, these are changes which will be enormously difficult, if not impossible, to unpick.

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

Hardly needs saying but...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

[Herman 9,767]

24 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Hardly needs saying but...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

OBR stating the facts and they aren't pleasant.

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Herman
Typo

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

And donkey Frost is at it again - leading us towards a trade war which we will inevitably lose, what a plank this guy is 😂

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/27/france-readies-stricter-channel-customs-checks-in-post-brexit-fishing-row

[horsefly 4,300]

36 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

And donkey Frost is at it again - leading us towards a trade war which we will inevitably lose, what a plank this guy is 😂

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/27/france-readies-stricter-channel-customs-checks-in-post-brexit-fishing-row

It's been beyond irony today watching Frost bleat about the possibility of France breaching international law. The hypocritical tw*at has been threatening to do precisely that for the last year, beginning his threats within days of signing the "fantastic" brexit deal. The collateral damage of destroyed SMEs resulting from his petulant attempt to ignite a trade war doesn't bear thinking about. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

15 hours ago, horsefly said:

It's been beyond irony today watching Frost bleat about the possibility of France breaching international law. The hypocritical tw*at has been threatening to do precisely that for the last year, beginning his threats within days of signing the "fantastic" brexit deal. The collateral damage of destroyed SMEs resulting from his petulant attempt to ignite a trade war doesn't bear thinking about. 

Liz Truss at it now 😂

Would love to know whether the French Ambassador, when he pops in, comes right out with it and tells the UK government what stonking hypocrites they are, or whether sadly he remains a professional diplomat, which seems more likely, and delivers the same message in diplomatic language.

I'm fairly sure it will be the latter, especially as Macron has already made it clear that words are meaningless as far as our Government is concerned and that action is the only thing that will have any effect - of course he is quite right in that and I suspect that approach is gradually going to get adopted across the EU.

We should have been a lot more careful about the fights we picked, in fact we shouldn't really be picking fights at all with our neighbours but with incompetent donkeys like Johnson, Frost, Truss et al spouting their populist, nationalist nonsense it was always going to happen and inflict even more damage on the UK.

 

[horsefly 4,300]

11 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Liz Truss at it now 😂

Would love to know whether the French Ambassador, when he pops in, comes right out with it and tells the UK government what stonking hypocrites they are, or whether sadly he remains a professional diplomat, which seems more likely, and delivers the same message in diplomatic language.

I'm fairly sure it will be the latter, especially as Macron has already made it clear that words are meaningless as far as our Government is concerned and that action is the only thing that will have any effect - of course he is quite right in that and I suspect that approach is gradually going to get adopted across the EU.

We should have been a lot more careful about the fights we picked, in fact we shouldn't really be picking fights at all with our neighbours but with incompetent donkeys like Johnson, Frost, Truss et al spouting their populist, nationalist nonsense it was always going to happen and inflict even more damage on the UK.

 

Spot on! Truss seems to have forgotten that at the beginning of the dispute over fishing access caused by brexit, it was the UK government that sent out several Royal Navy gunboats in a deliberate and over-the top attempt to escalate the conflict. Sundry Tories pumping up their egos by spouting virulent, xenophobic tosh about the French will cause nothing but harm to the very fishermen that they claim to be defending. The future viability of UK fishing depends absolutely on retaining easy access to the EU market. Sadly the reality is that brexit has left the UK in an extremely weak negotiating position, as every other country knows just how desperate we are for trade deals (Japan, New Zealand, and Australia exploited precisely just that), thus a billigerent approach to the current crisis in fishing can only prove ineffectual and destructive. Frost, Eustace, Truss, Johnson, Brigend et al, need reminding that they are supposed to be protecting the best interests of the UK fishing community, not pandering to cheap populist xenopobia. Some hope!

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

Did I hear this morning - Reuters - that the French are adamant there was no license for the impounded trawler and the skipper is now due in court. If true at least puts a new complexion on things.

Of course - what we really need is an independent arbiter to adjudicate and sort the issues. The French that have always fished in these waters should continue same as Brits in French waters. Nobody should be be too picky on what evidence needs to be supplied to facilitate such a claim. A bit of good faith all round - perhaps the fishermen can show the politicians how to be adult about things.

Of course, as is well known - a 'work to rule' can be devastatingly effective if we want to all get picky!

Edited October 29, 2021 by Yellow Fever
Now seems he did have license but UK Govt administrative error in not telling the French! Brexit incompetence!

[Herman 9,767]

Brexit. A decision that has lead to me believing a foreign government far more than my own. I have zero trust nor any belief in these shysters that pretend to be our leaders. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Herman

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

Yes indeed - when 'Boris Johnson vowed to do “whatever is necessary” to protect British fishers',  he surely doesn't mean actually going as far as implementing the deal he signed does he?

No, of course he doesn't - our very own piece of scum is just telling more lies 😂

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

Seems as though our Cabinet of idiots have an ongoing 'Most Stupid' competition - donkey Truss edged into a narrow lead earlier with her fishery load of b*ll*cks but since we're already backtracking on that I imagine one of the other donkeys will have something really stupid to say at COP some time fairly soon 😂

[Herman 9,767]

3 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Seems as though our Cabinet of idiots have an ongoing 'Most Stupid' competition - donkey Truss edged into a narrow lead earlier with her fishery load of b*ll*cks but since we're already backtracking on that I imagine one of the other donkeys will have something really stupid to say at COP some time fairly soon 😂

Did Frank Spencer get an invite or has he been confined to the Westminster barracks?

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

Pound is free-fall again after it becomes clear that Bailey has been misleading the markets.

Yet another fail by Johnson's government - hardly anybody thought at the time that he was an appropriate choice for BoE Governor and he keeps proving that we were right to be sceptical - he isn't up to the job (just as he wasn't up to his previous job).

Seems to be a common trait for this government to reward failure with a promotion.............as long as your face fits and you are prepared to worship at the altar of Johnson's ego.

[ALBOWLLY 15]

You people are still prattling on about BREXIT! We were stuck in that behemoth for forty-eight years. We've been out of it less than twelve months. Let's see where The UK is and where the EU is ten years from now. 

[Herman 9,767]

Ahhh, we have to wait ten years for any brexit positives now. Thanks, I may not have retired by then.👍

[horsefly 4,300]

20 minutes ago, ALBOWLLY said:

You people are still prattling on about BREXIT! We were stuck in that behemoth for forty-eight years. We've been out of it less than twelve months. Let's see where The UK is and where the EU is ten years from now. 

During which time we became one of the top 5 most wealthiest countries in the world.  How dreadful! After one year of brexit we have already slipped out of that position. Where will we be in 10 years time? According to the government's own department (The Office of Budget Responsibility) we will have lost 4% of our GDP as a result of brexit, that's where we'll be. Well done brexit buffoons!

Edited November 4, 2021 by horsefly

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

5 hours ago, ALBOWLLY said:

You people are still prattling on about BREXIT! We were stuck in that behemoth for forty-eight years. We've been out of it less than twelve months. Let's see where The UK is and where the EU is ten years from now. 

You seem to have slept through almost a year - we left the EU 21 months ago, do try and keep up.

[horsefly 4,300]

 

 

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Yet another sea link opens up between Ireland and France. So many new ones have started up since Brexit, I've lost count...

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[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

There seem to be more and more indications appearing that the EU have finally lost patience (and they've been patient way beyond anything the UK had any right to expect) and are not going to put up with our muppets Frosty and Johnson telling lies and barking threats any longer - more and more suggestions than if the UK invokes Article 16, as expected, that the EU could collapse the whole trade deal - that would be painful for them but absolutely catastrophic for the UK so I guess the calculation is that some short term pain for the EU is still far preferable to the ongoing sh*t from Frosty.

No idea what would happen in Ireland but I suspect it would bring a unification referendum significantly forward as it must be clear to everyone now that Johnson simply has got nothing whatsoever to offer NI - he sold them down the river in 2019 with a 'solution' he never intended to implement and he has rejected every opportunity offered to improve it. Not entirely sure why, presumably he's afraid of the RWNJ MPs in his own party who despite being exceptionally dim have nevertheless finally realised that Johnson played both them & the DUP for the fools they are and they are not very happy about it 😂