The Positive Brexit Thread

[Herman 9,819]

Going to have to pay to go to the EU by the looks of it. Well done Swindo. 

[dj11 377]

18 minutes ago, Herman said:

Going to have to pay to go to the EU by the looks of it. Well done Swindo. 

Have we run out of cards?

[SwindonCanary 455]

EU and UK agree post-Brexit fish quotas (rte.ie)

[RobJames 883]

19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

EU and UK agree post-Brexit fish quotas (rte.ie)

So much for the UK taking back it's fishing. A bit like NI where after plenty of huffing and puffing the UK gives in. Go whistle. For the divorce payment. Then the UK gives in. A trade deal with Oz. The UK gives in. Anyone able to see a pattern here?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, RobJames said:

So much for the UK taking back it's fishing. A bit like NI where after plenty of huffing and puffing the UK gives in. Go whistle. For the divorce payment. Then the UK gives in. A trade deal with Oz. The UK gives in. Anyone able to see a pattern here?

We can but to Swindon its a kaleidoscope. 

[RobJames 883]

I am not surprised Swindle sides with both Hungary and Poland. He doesn't like democracy. Nor do they. In Poland retired judges and others fear for the independency of the judiciary. As ot's right wing government has removed previous powers. Both countries have right-wing governments who now also impose anti gay laws. And curtail free speech.  Block abortions. Yes. You can see why Swindle would support them

[Herman 9,819]

https://www.cityam.com/brits-will-have-to-pay-for-entry-into-eu-as-bloc-demands-cash-and-pre-approval-for-post-brexit-trips-to-europe-from-2022/

[Well b back 3,264]

3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

EU and UK agree post-Brexit fish quotas (rte.ie)

All our nukes and we still caved in.

[RobJames 883]

11 minutes ago, Well b back said:

All our nukes and we still caved in.

We do seem to be caving in on an awful lot. Every thing in fact.

[Creative Midfielder 2,001]

36 minutes ago, Well b back said:

All our nukes and we still caved in.

Johnson has probably forgotten at which of his mistresses' houses he left the firing codes and doesn't want to fess up -  so much less fuss all round if he just quietly caves in to the EU. 😂😂

[RobJames 883]

Don't worry. He'll be along. Once his wife has gone to bed.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Johnson has probably forgotten at which of his mistresses' houses he left the firing codes and doesn't want to fess up -  so much less fuss all round if he just quietly caves in to the EU. 😂😂

But you just know that he whispers to EU leaders that he really wanted to remain but his hands were tied.(But thats another story😁).

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

The EU and Britain have agreed post-Brexit quotas for shared fish stocks, overcoming disagreement that simmered against a separate UK-France feud over fishing boat licences.

"We have an agreement with Britain on fishing opportunities for 2022," EU fishing commissioner Virginijus Sinkevicius tweeted today.

[Herman 9,819]

The devil is in the details.

 

[Herman 9,819]

Brexiter's results so far;

A) Cheering when we get back stuff we already had.

B) Cheering for worse versions of what we had.

C) Cheering for exactly the same as what we had.

Nothing is improving our way of life. Nothing is better than what we had. What a giant con.

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Liz Truss is doing well

[Herman 9,819]

If a salesman came back from a mission with a deal that was of negative net value to their company they'd be sacked on the spot. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

[TheGunnShow 5,983]

If the new deal is not as good as the old deal, it's a failure.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

If the new deal is not as good as the old deal, it's a failure.

Actually we were told it would be much better not as good as.

But why let the truth spoil a good Mail/Express headline?

[Yellow Fever 3,818]

21 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Actually we were told it would be much better not as good as.

But why let the truth spoil a good Mail/Express headline?

Actually it seems Brexiteers. if they assure us aren't simply bonkers,  must suffer from memory problems. One or the other.

[SwindonCanary 455]

2 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

If the new deal is not as good as the old deal, it's a failure.

remember it's only for a short time, part of the agreement was that the EU would reduce the catch year on year 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

22 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

remember it's only for a short time, part of the agreement was that the EU would reduce the catch year on year 

I think the discussion was about Truss's loss making trade deals not Fishing.

[RobJames 883]

33 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

remember it's only for a short time, part of the agreement was that the EU would reduce the catch year on year 

That reduction applies only to waters up to 12 mile out. And even there, EU fishermen with a proven record will be able to fish. It is the lucrative Norwegian waters the UK has lost out on. Despite the nonsense Johnson told. The UK has been obliged to negotiate. And as expected. Come off worse. The deal:  "The National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations have called the deal ‘Miniscule, marginal, paltry, pathetic’ while the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation said “After all the promises given to the industry, (the deal) is hugely disappointing.”

May and others did not make the ridiculous claims Johnson made. As they knew they could not deliver.  Johnson did. He lied through his teeth. A year on UK fishing is in a worse state, than before Brexit. And will continue to lose out. You trusted an habitual liar.

[Well b back 3,264]

What have Johnson and Farage with their rubbish and lies done to the U.K. @SwindonCanary

This report is not from the U.K. or EU but really scary, is our once mighty country destroyed

Just a Year of Brexit Has Thumped U.K.’s Economy and Businesses

In the months after Boris Johnson signed his post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union, the coronavirus masked the economic damage of leaving the bloc. As the pandemic drags on, the cost is becoming clearer -- and voters are noticing.

Brexit has been a drag on growth. It brought new red tape on commerce between Britain and its largest and closest market, and removed a large pool of EU labor from the country on which many businesses had come to rely. The combination has exacerbated supply chain shortages, stoked inflation, and hampered trade.

The prime minister hailed the signing of the trade accord almost a year ago as the moment when Britain took back control of its destiny. If it was, voters appear to be increasingly unhappy with the result. According to a November poll by Savanta Comres, a majority of the British population would now vote to re-join the the EU -- including one in ten who voted to leave in the 2016 referendum. In June, only 49% wanted to reverse Brexit.

 

In recent days, David Frost, Johnson’s key partner in negotiating Brexit, resigned, becoming the third Brexit minister to quit. In his resignation letter, Frost urged Johnson to use Brexit to turn the U.K. into “a lightly regulated, low-tax, entrepreneurial economy” but expressed dismay at the prime minister’s direction of travel, a sign that Brexit is disappointing those who saw it as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to roll back government regulation.

A year on from the signing of the trade deal, here is a look at how Brexit affected British business and the economy, and how the early outcome compares with economists’ and analysts’ predictions.

Trade

Britain’s trade with the EU has declined since the country quit the bloc, with firms hit by new customs paperwork and checks.

As of October, U.K. goods trade with the EU was 15.7% lower than it would have been had Britain stayed in the EU’s single market and customs union, according to modeling by the Centre for European Reform, an independent think-tank. That tallies with a U.K. government analysis of 2018, which predicted a 10% decline in trade.

 

But the figures may be flattered by the fact the U.K. has delayed implementing many of its post-Brexit border controls until 2022. From January, imports from the EU will need to be immediately accompanied by a customs declaration, and food products will face extra physical inspections from the summer.

Read more: Firms Brace for Extra Brexit Red Tape Amid Supply Lines Squeeze

Britain has made only limited progress in signing trade deals that go beyond the agreements it enjoyed as a member of the EU. Earlier this month, the U.K. signed its first wholly independent trade deal -- with Australia -- and preliminary terms have been agreed with New Zealand. But the economic boost from both accords is forecast to be limited. A trade deal with the U.S., touted as one of the major prizes of Brexit, appears years away.

 

Growth

Even before Britain completed its split from the EU at the end of 2020, Brexit had reduced the size of the U.K. economy by about 1.5%, according to estimates from the Office for Budget Responsibility. That was due to a fall in business investment and a transfer of economic activity to the EU in anticipation of higher trade barriers.

Since the U.K.-EU free trade deal came into force, the decline in trade volumes means Brexit is on course to cause a 4% reduction in the size of Britain’s economy over the long-run, according to the OBR. That’s in line with its pre-Brexit forecast.

“A loss of 4-5% of GDP is a big deal,” wrote John Springford, deputy director of the CER, in a research note, agreeing with the OBR’s prediction. “Governments everywhere would leap on a policy that would raise GDP by 5%.” 

And of all the regions of the U.K., Northern Ireland -- which remained in the EU’s single market for goods as part of the post-Brexit settlement -- appears to have fared best. The province has largely recovered from the hit of the pandemic, with third-quarter output only 0.3% below the final quarter of 2019, according to data from the Office for National Statistics. The U.K. as a whole is down 2.1% over the same time period.

 

Labour

Brexit has exacerbated a crunch in the U.K. labor supply. 200,000 European nationals left Britain in 2020, pushed away by tougher immigration rules and the deepest economic slump in three centuries. That’s helped to trigger staff shortages in sectors such as hospitality and retail, which have historically relied on EU workers, and led to empty shelves.

A smaller pool of EU labor also worsened a fuel crisis in Britain, with a shortfall of tanker drivers contributing to spate of fuel shortages during the summer. Johnson’s government has since eased visa requirements for EU workers, and the driver shortfall has since been reduced as more domestic drivers have been trained.

 

Finance

Brexit has pushed financial firms to move at least some of their operations, staff, assets or legal entities out of London and into to the bloc -- but the shift has been smaller than predicted, in part because the pandemic has hampered staff relocations.

According to a survey by accounting firm EY published this week, London has lost about 7,400 jobs -- down from an earlier estimate of 7,600. That’s far short of some estimates made before Britain left the bloc. In 2018, Bruegel, a think tank said that London could ultimately lose 10,000 banking jobs and 20,000 roles in the financial services industry.

 

Britain’s financial firms are still waiting for full access to the EU’s single market, something that relies on the EU granting a so-called equivalence decision. But progress has been glacial as disputes over Northern Ireland have soured EU-U.K. relations.

Read more: JPMorgan’s Paris Traders Are Only Part of the Threat to London

Longer term, the bigger threats to London are likely to come from New York -- which has grown its share of derivatives trading -- and the unseen opportunity cost of new jobs being created in the EU that, but for Brexit, might have been created in the U.K.

[SwindonCanary 455]

It's the people who gave Johnson an 80 seats majority to sign the NIP that says in article 12.4 "In particular, the Court of Justice of the European Union shall have the jurisdiction provided for in the Treaties in this respect...".

Johnson carried out the will of the people and signed the treaty in January 2020, it has been in force since 1 February 2020.

Are the People not fit for purpose?

Do you want to go against the will of the people?

Isn't that the stuff traitors do? 

[RobJames 883]

So the ECJ shall have the jurisdiction. Glad that is cleared up.

[Well b back 3,264]

4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It's the people who gave Johnson an 80 seats majority to sign the NIP that says in article 12.4 "In particular, the Court of Justice of the European Union shall have the jurisdiction provided for in the Treaties in this respect...".

Johnson carried out the will of the people and signed the treaty in January 2020, it has been in force since 1 February 2020.

Are the People not fit for purpose?

Do you want to go against the will of the people?

Isn't that the stuff traitors do? 

I was one of those people, as were several members of my family. I suppose I wasn’t fit for purpose as I believed their rubbish and voted on several lies. There is now quite a majority that say the will of the people is to rejoin the EU, Johnson and Farage are now shown to be what they are, populist liars.

You call me a traitor, but am I a traitor for realising I made a mistake, or are Johnson and Farage traitors for getting people to vote for them based on several lies ? I will let history decide.

One last point, I thought treaties were something you sign in good faith, however we seem to have signed one and ignored every thing that it covers.

[RobJames 883]

22 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It's the people who gave Johnson an 80 seats majority to sign the NIP that says in article 12.4 "In particular, the Court of Justice of the European Union shall have the jurisdiction provided for in the Treaties in this respect...".

Johnson carried out the will of the people and signed the treaty in January 2020, it has been in force since 1 February 2020.

Are the People not fit for purpose?

Do you want to go against the will of the people?

Isn't that the stuff traitors do? 

What on earth is that supposed to mean. You do not even understand English.

Edited December 23, 2021 by RobJames

[SwindonCanary 455]

8 minutes ago, RobJames said:

What on earth is that supposed to mean. You do not even understand English

do you not understand  ?