The Positive Brexit Thread

[Herman 9,765]

Nobody cares you boring, whiny old troll. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

5 minutes ago, Herman said:

Nobody cares you boring, whiny old troll. 

So why do you lot always have go at me when the spelling is wrong !

[horsefly 4,300]

2 hours ago, paul moy said:

Echo chamber at work again I see .........   🙃

 

Remoaners proved wrong again as the UK went its own way with the vaccine and is at the forefront in the world: 

 

"  Now, millions of Britons are being given the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine (alongside the much more expensive Pfizer one). Yet the EU has still not approved it for use, and, in general, its vaccine strategy has been lumbering and over-bureaucratic compared with ours.

Last spring, the Observer ran a story, based on a letter sent to them by various academics and lawyers attacking our Government's decision to go it alone, with the headline, 'Brexit means coronavirus vaccine will be slower to reach the UK'.

In July, when the Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced definitively that the UK would be buying and regulating Covid vaccines outside the EU's system, the Guardian reflected the outrage of some Labour and Lib Dem MPs with the headline 'UK plan to shun EU vaccine scheme 'unforgiveable' say critics'.

They now look ridiculous. Thanks to the astute purchasing policy of the UK's Vaccine Taskforce, headed by one of Britain's most successful investors in bio-technology, Kate Bingham, we have got many more doses per capita, and more quickly, than the citizens of the EU.

And thanks to the extraordinary efforts of our own Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to streamline its processes but without taking a single shortcut, approval for the Pfizer vaccine came more quickly than it did from the EU medical regulator. 

(That would have been even more delayed, but for belated outrage by German politicians, since it was actually invented by German scientists.)

As for the remark by the Belgian deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, that the UK is 'vaccinating people with vaccines that do not have the same standard as the ones we use', that untruth was just sour grapes.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9158151/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Amazing-true-leading-world-fight-against-virus.html

 

Just a shame for you that this has nothing to do with Brexit you buffoon.

[horsefly 4,300]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/eu-politicians-pushing-for-masterplan-to-steal-banking-jobs-from-london/ar-BB1cRodz?ocid=msedgntp

The European Union needs a “masterplan” to move euro financial services and City jobs from London to the bloc if it wants to expand the single currency’s role in a global economy dominated by the US dollar, a senior EU politician said today.

 

“We need a clear step-by-step masterplan that helps key financial sector businesses move from the United Kingdom to the European Union,” Ferber said.

He was speaking ahead of a new European Commission paper on promoting the global role of the euro which sets out ways to rely less on the City of London, Europe’s biggest financial center, after Brexit.

[SwindonCanary 455]

looks like the EU are scared of the London finance centre  

[Herman 9,765]

They're all trolling us now.

 

[Bill 1,788]

As the Financial Times has

“What does it mean in practice? Instead of looking backwards, we need to look forwards.”

But Ms Felix worried about how to keep talented workers needed for such fast-growth tech sectors. “I am aware that there has been some flight of talent to other markets . . . we need to realise that the access to capital and huge markets has given [the US] big advantages.”

Such ambitions could clash with post-Brexit restrictions on freedom of movement. Business chiefs see an irony in the government asking how best to cut red tape when Brexit has meant folders of new paperwork for cross-border trade and services. "

As jobs and trade slowly haemorrhage out of the City Johnson;s bluff and bluster will not be able to stop the constant loss. You don't set fire to your car, then think you can save things by getting the driver to run faster.... when you are competing in F1

And as Bloomberg points out

"The rules for London’s financial services firms may still be uncertain after Brexit, but one result is already clear: a steady stream of people and business leaving Europe’s financial capital. First it was stock-trading, now fund managers. They are concerned about a Brussels-shaped threat to $2 trillion of business. As Lucca de Paoli and Silla Brush report, the EU is considering tightening the rules on delegation, meaning the management of some assets could be forced out of London.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-01-15/city-of-london-high-flyers-get-ready-to-migrate-brexit-bulletin

Though deeply concerning in regard to the UK economy, nothing it states is unexpected, as this has long been flagged up

 

[Bill 1,788]

37 minutes ago, Herman said:

They're all trolling us now.

 

The pertinent point in that being

"“Shortsea container services can once more prove themselves more than a match for ro-ro, particularly for products previously shipped to distributors in the UK then redistributed across the Irish Sea,”

As well as the loss of UK jobs and tax revenue, it shows how the rest of the EU knew what was to happen - despite Johnson telling the thickos it had already been sorted (oven ready), with no downsides - a blatant lie as they certainly knew. That's why they had the infrastructure already place before 1st Jan.- while the UK is still trying to build lorry parks.

Much as one side in a war is digging graves, while the other is organising a triumphal parade.

And on that theme I remember reading the words of someone who said 'I stopped reading the names of the dead in late 1914 as they became so many. So many in fact that papers stopped printing them."

Much as we will see with job losses and bankruptcies with trade moving abroad.

To paraphrase Rudyard Kipling

"If any question why our businesses died,

Tell them it's because our betters lied.”

Edited January 18, 2021 by Bill

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

[Bill 1,788]

oh dear, poor simple minded mouse brain - he probably never grasped that Alf Garnett was written as a pi ss take of the same rightwing nonsense mouse brain spouts

the Pub Landlord character is in the same vein

take their stupidity to the limit so as to expose it's utter stupidity

played by a man who stood against Farage in the 2015 election and said these words

“The idea that you shut Parliament because you’re trying to restore parliamentary sovereignty, which is what we were told Brexit was for, that’s funny. You couldn’t make it up.”"

and in my time on the 'circuit' I only ever knew two righties... Geoff Norcott and Paul B Edwards, and anytime I met Mr Murray he never gave any inkling of being a righty, quite the opposite... though he did have a keen interest in impersonating machine guns

[horsefly 4,300]

16 hours ago, paul moy said:

Echo chamber at work again I see .........   🙃

 

Remoaners proved wrong again as the UK went its own way with the vaccine and is at the forefront in the world: 

 

"  Now, millions of Britons are being given the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine (alongside the much more expensive Pfizer one). Yet the EU has still not approved it for use, and, in general, its vaccine strategy has been lumbering and over-bureaucratic compared with ours.

Last spring, the Observer ran a story, based on a letter sent to them by various academics and lawyers attacking our Government's decision to go it alone, with the headline, 'Brexit means coronavirus vaccine will be slower to reach the UK'.

In July, when the Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced definitively that the UK would be buying and regulating Covid vaccines outside the EU's system, the Guardian reflected the outrage of some Labour and Lib Dem MPs with the headline 'UK plan to shun EU vaccine scheme 'unforgiveable' say critics'.

They now look ridiculous. Thanks to the astute purchasing policy of the UK's Vaccine Taskforce, headed by one of Britain's most successful investors in bio-technology, Kate Bingham, we have got many more doses per capita, and more quickly, than the citizens of the EU.

And thanks to the extraordinary efforts of our own Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to streamline its processes but without taking a single shortcut, approval for the Pfizer vaccine came more quickly than it did from the EU medical regulator. 

(That would have been even more delayed, but for belated outrage by German politicians, since it was actually invented by German scientists.)

As for the remark by the Belgian deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, that the UK is 'vaccinating people with vaccines that do not have the same standard as the ones we use', that untruth was just sour grapes.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9158151/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Amazing-true-leading-world-fight-against-virus.html

 

Oh! and if your looking for echos from the past, we lead the world again in the death rate from Covid-19:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-has-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-in-the-world-oxford-research-shows/ar-BB1cSh8f?ocid=msedgntp

Britain currently has the highest daily coronavirus death rate in the world, data shows.

The figures, collated by an Oxford University research platform, showed an average of 935 daily deaths over the last week was the equivalent of more than 16 people in every million dying each day with Covid.

The research platform Our World in Data shows no other country currently has a higher death rate per capita.  

The UK overtook the Czech Republic, which had the highest death rate since January 11 at 16.3, after publishing its latest death figures on Sunday night, when there were 671.

And the country’s death rate could surge further still, as death statistics at weekends and on Mondays in the UK tend to be lower due to a reporting lag.

This world-beating "triumph" has nothing to do with Brexit either; just the standard diabolical incompetence demonstrated  by every aspect of this Tory regime.

[Herman 9,765]

17 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Waiting for the English Lamb season....

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Billy liar spouting on about nothing in particular AGAIN. Going back to 2015 to pick his quotes 😂

 

[A Load of Squit 5,164]

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/a-brexit-lesson-eus-benefits-largely-invisible-hurt-to-lose-single-market-boris-johnson/

As a result, British exporters are predicted to face €28 billion in losses this year alone as a result of reduced EU demand and increased frictions and barriers at the EU border.

“There is so much complexity,” Adam Marshall, the director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, told Bloomberg. “It’s like an onion — the more you peel, the more you cry.”  

 

[paul moy 235]

18 hours ago, horsefly said:

Just a shame for you that this has nothing to do with Brexit you buffoon.

Oh yes it has.......  remoaners were saying that Brexit would be to our disadvantage by delaying vaccine delivery.

Also, today the EU is pleading for us to share our vaccines.   If we were in the EU they could force us but now they cannot

as we have left !!!!   😎

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1385926/EU-news-carole-malone-Brexit-update-covid-vaccine-jeremy-vine-latest-vn

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by paul moy

[paul moy 235]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

 

No need to export it....... sell it in the UK, just a bit cheaper

[paul moy 235]

3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/a-brexit-lesson-eus-benefits-largely-invisible-hurt-to-lose-single-market-boris-johnson/

As a result, British exporters are predicted to face €28 billion in losses this year alone as a result of reduced EU demand and increased frictions and barriers at the EU border.

“There is so much complexity,” Adam Marshall, the director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, told Bloomberg. “It’s like an onion — the more you peel, the more you cry.”  

 

Rubbish......  COVID has reduced demand for exports AND imports, so the EU will suffer too. 

[paul moy 235]

 

Eire has pleaded with the EU as its major UK supermarket-supplied shelves are emptying due to EU restrictions regarding 'rules of origin'.

Goods exported from an EU country into the UK for repackaging are subject to customs taxes or tariffs when re-exported back into the bloc.  The EU is great at hurting itself !!!!  😂🤗

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1385491/brexit-news-ireland-product-food-shortages-supermarkets-uk-eu-deal-rules-of-origin

 

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by paul moy

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

Are you dribbling again PM ?

I guess you were talking about Covax.

[paul moy 235]

3 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Are you dribbling again PM ?

I guess you were talking about Covax.

Yes indeed, and we are in greater need of our vaccines .......  charity begins at home thanks to Brexit.  

[horsefly 4,300]

2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Oh yes it has.......  remoaners were saying that Brexit would be to our disadvantage by delaying vaccine delivery.

Also, today the EU is pleading for us to share our vaccines.   If we were in the EU they could force us but now they cannot

as we have left !!!!   😎

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1385926/EU-news-carole-malone-Brexit-update-covid-vaccine-jeremy-vine-latest-vn

 

Jesus, so dumb! The roll out of vaccines has had NOTHING to do with Brexit. Boris, in desperation to have something positive to say about Brexit, tried to claim something on those lines at the time and was immediately shot down by the head of the MHRA Dr June Raine who said that everything they had done completely complied with EU regulations (I posted her speech at the time). She also specifically said Brexit gave us no advantages. But it is certainly true that Brexit could have held up deliveries of vaccines from Belgium, I suggest you read the news about what is going on at Dover etc, that is why the government made the unusual step of flying the vaccines in instead of using road transport.

And as for your claim that if we were still in the EU they could force us to share our stock of vaccines, this is so idiotically false that you should feel utterly ashamed at posting something that shows up your profound lack of understanding.

BTW do yourself a favour and find someone other than the right-wing clown Carole Malone to quote, she's a well-known laughing stock wheeled out to say something controversial and stupid.

[Yellow Fever 3,785]

1 minute ago, paul moy said:

Yes indeed, and we are in greater need of our vaccines .......  charity begins at home thanks to Brexit.  

Well covax isn't anything directly to do with the EU !

And yes we do need to vaccinate the world.

 

[horsefly 4,300]

8 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Yes indeed, and we are in greater need of our vaccines .......  charity begins at home thanks to Brexit.  

Jolly good! if charity begins at home "thanks to Brexit" I'm sure you will be happy to donate your savings to all those exporters who are losing their businesses "thanks to Brexit".

Edited January 19, 2021 by horsefly

[paul moy 235]

5 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh! and if your looking for echos from the past, we lead the world again in the death rate from Covid-19:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-has-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-in-the-world-oxford-research-shows/ar-BB1cSh8f?ocid=msedgntp

Britain currently has the highest daily coronavirus death rate in the world, data shows.

The figures, collated by an Oxford University research platform, showed an average of 935 daily deaths over the last week was the equivalent of more than 16 people in every million dying each day with Covid.

The research platform Our World in Data shows no other country currently has a higher death rate per capita.  

The UK overtook the Czech Republic, which had the highest death rate since January 11 at 16.3, after publishing its latest death figures on Sunday night, when there were 671.

And the country’s death rate could surge further still, as death statistics at weekends and on Mondays in the UK tend to be lower due to a reporting lag.

This world-beating "triumph" has nothing to do with Brexit either; just the standard diabolical incompetence demonstrated  by every aspect of this Tory regime.

Countries have different measures of the deaths so not necessarily true.  We include all deaths with a positive within 28 days, but Germany only includes deaths in care homes and hospitals, not those that die at home.

The acid test will be at the end of the pandemic and we are going to effectively get there before most other countries due to our vaccinations program. We can improve our figures by not supplying other countries until we have managed our own people's vaccination needs.

BREXIT is relevant here as we can now control our vaccine distribution to the detriment of the EU. Previously we would have had to share it or be fined etc by the EU.

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by paul moy

[paul moy 235]

2 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Jolly good! if charity begins at home thanks to Brexit I'm sure you will be happy to donate your savings to all those exporters who are losing their businesses as a result of Brexit.

We already are through government support, for instance in the shellfish industry. 

[horsefly 4,300]

2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Countries have different measures of the deaths so not necessarily true.  We include all deaths with a positive within 28 days, but Germany only includes deaths in care homes and hospitals, not those that die at home.

The acid test will be at the end of the pandemic and we are going to effectively get there before most other countries due to our vaccinations program. We can improve our figures by not supplying other countries until we have managed our own people's vaccination needs.

 

I'm sure the Oxford University Research Platform will be delighted to hear from you to glean your expertise on these matters so you can show them where they have gone wrong. FFS!

[paul moy 235]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

I'm sure the Oxford University Research Platform will be delighted to hear from you to glean your expertise on these matters so you can show them where they have gone wrong. FFS!

They are welcome..... 😎

[horsefly 4,300]

4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

We already are through government support, for instance in the shellfish industry. 

Well at least you have admitted that the government is having to bail out businesses because of the failure of it's Brexit deal. Shame you, an ardent fan of that deal, won't put your money where your mouth is.

[paul moy 235]

11 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Well covax isn't anything directly to do with the EU !

And yes we do need to vaccinate the world.

 

... and we surely will, AFTER we have vaccinated ourselves.