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On 11/01/2020 at 13:44, paul moy said:

It will be the other way round once the irrational doubters are won over, just as Trump are winning them over in the USA.  Under a true leader such as Boris that believes in our country, backed up by the majority of the population that also believe in our country we are going to thrive and you lot of fearmongers and troughers (?) and going to look very very stupid in years to come.

oh dear

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10 minutes ago, Bill said:

I have often pointed out that RTB is merely a sad troll who likes to post under various names, using lies as a means to provoke response

Perhaps he can explain when that day was when "Tax-free and vat-free Champagne cost a couple of quid back in the day."

Before, or after, the A11 was duelled ?

Indeed! I think he's getting his fantasies mixed up, I suspect the one he's thinking of is where he gets invited to Epstein's island to spend time with all those "well paid (child) prostitues" he told us about.

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11 minutes ago, horsefly said:

I think "Mugs" refers to the people not the drinking vessel.

err, yes

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1 minute ago, Bill said:

err, yes

Whoops was looking at the advert and not your response, sorry!

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Just as it was vital that decent folk fought back against the tsunami of lies from the Brexiteers before 1st January - it is just as vital that brexiteers are not allowed to peddle, unchallenged; this 'stabbed in the back' myth now.

They were clearly and repeatedly warned of what Brexit was really all about, and the lasting damage it would have.

Small UK firms will so bankrupt, not because if Covid - but the regulations that the UK as a third country has imposed in itself

Where other countries have agreed treaties to reduce regulation, cost and delay the UK has put up a Berlin Wall so as to isolate itself from the global economy. Even ruddy North Korea has been trying to open up trade.

The bankruptcies and closures that will now follow, will have a domino effect as job losses will follow, so further reducing spending in the economy.

And one irony is that UK workers will not be able to move to East Europe seeking work and a chance to better themselves, as in their cretinous ignorance they have closed that door as well.

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5 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Wow.

with Jools being mates with Bowie and RTB being a eurocrat, I feel quite insecure not knowing anyone. Medic!!!

I wonder if he was an undemocratic one

and if, so why didn't he complain

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9 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Most mugs are. Some are plastic of course. And Glass as well.

I think these ones are (crack) pottery

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Another top brexiter, Douglas Carswell, has gone to the US.

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2 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

This is the one I like.

'No forms'. Snigger.

 

Saw James Comey being interviewed and he said its easier to lie and get people to believe that lie than get them to believe the truth.

His experiences of Trump qualify him to make that remark. And Boris is using the same tactic.

Last time I was in the Golf Club bar and we were talking about Boris telling porkies and a lady said "Oh I know he is a liar but he is lovely, better than that old tramp Corbyn".

We did point out the SKS was the new Labour leader and she said "Yes but he is another leftie"  😂😂

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Brexit being an absolute clusterf*ck is no shock to anyone with half a brain

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31 minutes ago, kirku said:

Brexiteers being an absolute clusterf*ck  should be no shock to anyone with half a brain

(above edited)

meanwhile where is Dim Martin in all this ?

along with other rightys on here and elsewhere, they have quickly fled the scene

as Brexit, and it's sheer idiocy, is spreading faster than  the Great Fire of London,

already causing such far reaching damage, within only the first fortnight

with far more to come

Nigel Farage's walk to Brexit vs People's Vote march | Metro News

a ragbag of bigots and racists, hell bent on f*cking over the country

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And the Swindo Award for Talking out Their Ar se goes to.....Dominic Rabb

"Foreign secretary Dominic Raab has denied betraying the UK’s fishermen, insisting that the Brexit trade agreement signed by Boris Johnson was “a great deal” for the industry.

Mr Raab was speaking amid howls of outrage from fishing companies, who say that the additional red tape and delay caused by the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement has led to them losing huge sums from consignments unable to reach European export markets.

And the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation (SFF) has described the deal as “desperately poor”, leaving many businesses fearing for their survival amid reports of an 80 per cent collapse in the prices they can charge for their catch.

But confronted with fishermen’s angry comments during an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr, Mr Raab said: “I think this is a great deal for the fishing industry, both short term and long term.

“We get control over our fisheries back – full control as an independent coastal state – there is an immediate 15 per cent uplift in our access to fisheries for the UK sector in the first year. That rises to two-thirds in the five-year transition period, then we have annual negotiations.”

Marr read out comments from Jamie McMillan, managing director of Loch Fyne Langoustines, who said: “We have no sales to the EU, our biggest market for live shellfish, in the last two weeks. If we go another week without that, we are finished.”

And Marr confronted Mr Raab with the comment of Donna Fordyce, chief executive of Seafood Scotland, who said: “Some businesses, which may have been run by families for generations, are now days away from collapse as a result of the agreement.”

Mr Raab dismissed the difficulties faced by fishing businesses as “teething problems” and said he was “not convinced” that the thickets of Brexit paperwork and delays were the result of the agreement. “The agreement we have struck, both short term and medium term and long term, will create huge sustainable opportunities,” he claimed.

“Of course, we’ve always said as we leave the transition period with a deal – but even more if we hadn’t had a deal – there will be some teething problems. “We’re very focused on working with all of the different sectors, including the fishing industry, to resolve any of these teething problems.”

Mr Raab said that the government was investing £100m into the fishing industry to enable it to grasp the additional opportunities which ministers believe will be available as a result of Brexit.

Despite warnings from industry figures of companies being on the brink of closure, Mr Raab said: “The fishing industry is going to want to increase its capacity to take advantage of those increased stocks.

“That’s why we’re putting in £100 million to shore up, to strengthen, the fishing industry right across the whole of the UK, to make sure that this really important opportunity of leaving the EU and leaving the transition period can be properly grasped.”

Alistair Carmichael, Liberal Democrat MP for Orkney and Shetland, responded: “Brexit might be a game to the likes of Dominic Raab and Boris Johnson but for thousands of people in Scotland this is their business and their livelihood on the line.

“Fishermen are telling the PM that his deal did not do any of the things he claimed for it, let alone what he had promised. The harder the Tories spin, the angrier fishing communities get.  

“The government needs to start listening to the people who know what they are talking about and start to clean up the mess that the prime minister has created.”

In a letter to Mr Johnson last week, SFF chief executive Elspeth Macdonald accused the prime minister of misleading the public about the agreement and giving the industry “the worst of both worlds”.

“You and your government have spun a line about a 25 per cent uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that,” Ms Macdonald wrote.

The prime minister’s stated approach, known as “zonal attachment”, would have secured British boats up to 90 per cent of the catch in UK waters for important stocks such as herring. Instead, the deal actually means the UK share of the herring catch is just 32.2 per cent, she said.

“This can hardly be claimed as a resounding success,” Ms Macdonald wrote.  “This industry now finds itself in the worst of both worlds. Your deal leaves us with shares that not only fall very far short of zonal attachment, but in many cases fail to ‘bridge the gap’ compared to historic catches, and with no ability to leverage more fish from the EU, as they have full access to our waters.”

he's talking out of his arse you know - Morgan Freeman "he's Right u know"  | Meme Generator

 

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A very interesting, long thread on the hurdles now for UK businesses.

 

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On 16/12/2020 at 16:30, ricardo said:

Sonds like a very sensible compromise with the EU.

There will be rules and arbitration on tariff setting and a standards baseline to work from. It's what we've been asking for on the LPF, freedom to diverge, freedom to not follow new EU standards without any repercussions, arbitration led tariffs following treaty rules where divergence from treaty standards are considered in breach by either party, neither party able to easily regress from current standards.

Shake hands at 11.59pm and all wave yellow and green flags as strains of OTBC echo around Brussels.

Back in time for an order of North Sea cod and chips at Stafford St chip shop.

freedom to diverge,

freedom to not follow new EU standards without any repercussions,

arbitration led tariffs following treaty rules where divergence from treaty standards are considered in breach by either party,

neither party able to easily regress from current standards.'

not quite sure how many contradictions there are in that confused guff

but reality won out in the end

the UK has become a 'third country' as the Brexiteers wanted - and the harsh realities of that are being felt already

so no 'cake and eat it' - however you can still get cod and chips... though as before the cod will be coming from French trawlers in the channel

 

ps You can put a price on 'freedom, ask fisherman, hauliers, exporters, importers, farmers - it’s called costly red tape.... something they were once free of

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Just 18 days in and the EU are already playing games. Boris just needs to decide to use their newly found ability to do just what the heck it likes, and to respond to the EU’s restricting entry of UK goods

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8 minutes ago, Herman said:

The reality of Brexit I'm afraid. 

F.UCKWIT SWINDO does not know reality Herman as he lives in the world of internet girlfriends.

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Yes. You voted to make trading harder. Trading is now harder. You should be cheering. 

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10 minutes ago, Herman said:

Yes. You voted to make trading harder. Trading is now harder. You should be cheering. 

You can already start to see 2 types of (once) Brexit voter emerging  -  and we're only 2 weeks in - give it 3 months for the problems to well and truly 'bed' in.

Those that are starting to sheepishly admit they've been had (i.e. the fishermen - many more to follow) and those too proud to admit it as they go bust.

I suppose there is a third set - like SC that never ever understood what they voted for and still don't even when they get it.

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10 minutes ago, Herman said:

Fishermen driving their trucks to Westminster. 😂

At least their rotten fish will be less fishy than Farage or Johnson.

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12 minutes ago, Herman said:

Fishermen driving their trucks to Westminster.

Have they got their boats on the back of low loaders? 🤣

Apples

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Just 18 days in and the EU are already playing games. Boris just needs to decide to use their newly found ability to do just what the heck it likes, and to respond to the EU’s restricting entry of UK goods

Firstly, the EU are not "restricting entry of UK goods", Johnson agreed a set of rules and it is those rules he agreed that restrict access to UK goods. This was explained at length to you Brexiters, so it shouldn't be surprising. Secondly, Johnson agreed a set of rules so he cannot "do just the heck it likes" because he agreed an international treaty.

You Brexiteers were told it would be ****, you voted for it to be ****, you won and it is ****. Suck it up and own it.

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Remouners always go back to the fishing deal, don't worry it will all be sorted in 5 years, and by then we would have been doing better than the EU. 

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