BigFish 1,987 Posted January 29, 2020 4 hours ago, paul moy said: People voted to control immigration and this is part of that policy in order to determine who has a right to remain in the UK based on Brexit agreement. Every country in the world controls its immigration apart from those silly EU linked nations who will pay the price of their stupidity in good time. This view is so 2016. For those who voted because of immigration it wasn't to control it, it was to reduce it. The control element was only added later to make this seem slightly more acceptable. The reason that immigration was perceived an a issue was down to a relentless stream of scare stories pushed at the electorate by leavers, the Mail, the Express, Guido etc in order to win the referendum (very successfully as it turned out). Now it is won, the stories have stopped and you know what? It is no longer considered an issue. You know why? It was never a significant problem. The Johnson plan is to bureaucractise the system. Immigration will continue much as it would have before we left the EU but the immigrants will just need to fill in the correct forms. The drivers remain the same: shortages of low paid manpower in the hospitality, care and agriculture sectors; shortages of skills in the health and technology sectors; and the need to maintain growth. Immigration will be starved of the oxygen of publicity. Free movement will remain for the highly skilled and the rich, for the lowskilled there might be a change of the colour of some of the faces and hugely expensive red tape that will need to be paid for by the British taxpayer. Apart from that numbers will be the same as they would have been if we remained. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said: The settled status scheme has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling immigration - those EU citizens already in the UK have a right to be here now and the Withdrawal Agreement guarantees their right to remain here. The Settled Status scheme has been introduced to sow doubt and confusion, and where possible to convince people not to exercise their rights, and also as Herman so rightly says to convince idiots like you that they are 'doing something' about immigration - so far it has been successful with all those goals. This is how lefties always get it wrong, as they have absolutely no commonsense. So allowing foreign people to remain and trying to determine the numbers while giving them evidence as to why they can stay is nothing to do with immigration ? OK ...LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, BigFish said: This view is so 2016. For those who voted because of immigration it wasn't to control it, it was to reduce it. The control element was only added later to make this seem slightly more acceptable. The reason that immigration was perceived an a issue was down to a relentless stream of scare stories pushed at the electorate by leavers, the Mail, the Express, Guido etc in order to win the referendum (very successfully as it turned out). Now it is won, the stories have stopped and you know what? It is no longer considered an issue. You know why? It was never a significant problem. The Johnson plan is to bureaucractise the system. Immigration will continue much as it would have before we left the EU but the immigrants will just need to fill in the correct forms. The drivers remain the same: shortages of low paid manpower in the hospitality, care and agriculture sectors; shortages of skills in the health and technology sectors; and the need to maintain growth. Immigration will be starved of the oxygen of publicity. Free movement will remain for the highly skilled and the rich, for the lowskilled there might be a change of the colour of some of the faces and hugely expensive red tape that will need to be paid for by the British taxpayer. Apart from that numbers will be the same as they would have been if we remained. There we go again. Lefties trying to muddy the waters with semantics and idiocy. You cannot control immigration without knowing who has a right to be here and who has no right. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted January 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, paul moy said: There we go again. Lefties trying to muddy the waters with semantics and idiocy. You cannot control immigration without knowing who has a right to be here and who has no right. LOL Pity the bit that we have control over keeps on going up then. ...... LOL https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/28/non-eu-migrants-hit-near-record-levels-eu-migration-falls-16/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 We could control EU immigration. We didn't. We could control non EU immigration. We didn't. Moyo should ask why not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,987 Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said: Pity the bit that we have control over keeps on going up then. ...... LOL https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/28/non-eu-migrants-hit-near-record-levels-eu-migration-falls-16/ Yep, I was going to reply to @paul moy with my lefty semantics (otherwise known as the English language) to explain the difference between control and reduce adding that the electorate no longer consider this as a major issues but this just about does the job. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! 2010 - The coalition is pledged to the Conservative manifesto policy of getting net migration – the number of people who come into the country to work or study minus the numbers who go to live abroad – down from "hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands" by the time of the next general election. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/theresa-may-immigration-crackdown Even if you completely ignore EU migration, the Tories have been in power for ten years, they haven't even achieved that with non-EU immigration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! The Brexwits would have found some other snake oil to sell to the thickos. Edited January 29, 2020 by kick it off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,987 Posted January 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! Rather proves what I mean, Cameron asked for something the UK didn't need and the electorate now are not particularly bothered about getting and we are leaving because he didn't get it. Madness. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! Maybe you should actually see what Cameron did ask for. A bit late for facts, but still..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 Oh dear, how sad, nevermind. Again. https://news.sky.com/story/british-fisherman-fear-they-wont-get-what-they-voted-for-after-brexit-11915978 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 Good ol' Nigel (Mr Brexit) --- Winding them up to the very last 😀 👇 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 Here's an interesting article on how we fell behind in the race for broadband connection and how it's come back to bite us on the aris. Yes, it was Thatcher. https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-broadband-race-in-1990-1224784 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit ! Yes that is indeed probably true as immigration linked to EU freedom of movement has been the biggest disaster for the lowest paid as well as the massive additional demands put on welfare and infrastructure. We can thank the EU for being so intransigent as we are about to save a billion pounds a month plus into perpetuity that can be spent on our own needs rather than feeding the EU's black-hole of grandiose schemes. Let's hope the pig-headed intransigence continues and that we leave on WTO terms. Edited January 29, 2020 by paul moy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Jools said: Good ol' Nigel (Mr Brexit) --- Winding them up to the very last 😀 👇 I loved the bit at the end !!!!!! LOL 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, paul moy said: I loved the bit at the end !!!!!! LOL 😀👍 That's the only thing I'm going to miss about not being in the EU --- Mr. Brexit tearing them a new one 😎 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 LOL. And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Herman said: LOL. And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.) Make the most of your last few months........ LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 Jools and Moy. This is called dignity. You wouldn't know it, it lives in a different place to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Herman said: LOL. And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.) blah-blah-blah... 🙃 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Icecream Snow said: 2010 - The coalition is pledged to the Conservative manifesto policy of getting net migration – the number of people who come into the country to work or study minus the numbers who go to live abroad – down from "hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands" by the time of the next general election. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/theresa-may-immigration-crackdown Even if you completely ignore EU migration, the Tories have been in power for ten years, they haven't even achieved that with non-EU immigration There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted January 29, 2020 What has 140 legs and 17 teeth? The Brexit Party. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted January 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, paul moy said: There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job. Always a scapegoat for Moy 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, paul moy said: There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job. Are you a parody or you actually that absolutely brain dead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted January 29, 2020 8 hours ago, paul moy said: 09:30 - "I want us to be like normal countries, like Norway and Iceland" ? - I´m not sure Farage understands what those countries are like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, paul moy said: This is how lefties always get it wrong, as they have absolutely no commonsense. So allowing foreign people to remain and trying to determine the numbers while giving them evidence as to why they can stay is nothing to do with immigration ? OK ...LOL Paul do you understand what is meant by a right?? Because it would appear not, and you always get it wrong because what you assume is commonsense is actually total ignorance. If you are talking about EU citizens who are living in the UK, which is what we were talking about, then 'allowing them to remain' doesn't come into it. They have a right to remain, they are entitled to remain, they require no permission to remain - what part of this do you not understand?? Just as the millions of UK citizens currently living in EU27 countries also have the right to remain there if they wish to do so. More ill-informed (and frankly unintelligible) nonsense from Paul Moy. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, paul moy said: Make the most of your last few months........ LOL If you took the trouble to acquaint yourself with any of the facts, like the financial settlement within the Withdrawal Agreement for example, then you would know that we're going to be paying significant sums to the EU for the next eight to ten years and smaller amounts until 2064. Months 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Yet more ill-informed nonsense from Paul Moy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted January 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said: Always a scapegoat for Moy 😂 True but he seems to be excelling himself. I've thought for a long time that 'leftie' seems to be a meaningless term as people like mad Moyo, Jools, RTB et al seem to apply it to anyone and everyone who dissents from their fascist views but I must admit that it's the first time I've heard it applied to Tory MPs. Actually I'm pretty upset at being grouped with Tory MPs or even ex-Tory MPs 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, paul moy said: There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job. Aye --- Below is a list of Conservative MPs who backed Remain 👇 Peter Aldous (Conservative), Waveney Edward Argar (Conservative), Charnwood Gavin Barwell (Conservative), Croydon Central Guto Bebb (Conservative), Aberconwy Paul Beresford (Conservative), Mole Valley Jake Berry (Conservative), Rossendale and Darwen Peter Bottomley (Conservative), Worthing West Steve Brine (Conservative), Winchester Robert Buckland (Conservative), Swindon South Simon Burns (Conservative), Chelmsford Alistair Burt (Conservative), Bedfordshire North East James Cartlidge (Conservative), Suffolk South Alun Cairns (Conservative), South Wales West Stephen Crabb (Conservative), Preseli Pembrokeshire Alex Chalk (Conservative), Cheltenham Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Rushcliffe Greg Clark (Conservative), Tunbridge Wells Byron Davies (Conservative), Gower Sajid Javid (Conservative), Bromsgrove Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative), Huntingdon Oliver Dowden (Conservative), Hertsmere Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative), Thurrock Flick Drummond (Conservative), Portsmouth South Alan Duncan (Conservative), Rutland and Melton Philip Dunne (Conservative), Ludlow Michael Ellis (Conservative), Northampton North Jane Ellison (Conservative), Battersea David Evennett (Conservative), Bexleyheath and Crayford Michael Fallon (Conservative), Darlington Kevin Foster (Conservative), Torbay Lucy Frazer (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South East Mike Freer (Conservative), Finchley and Golders Green Roger Gale (Conservative), Thanet North Edward Garnier (Conservative), Harborough David Gauke (Conservative), South West Hertfordshire John Glen (Conservative), Salisbury Robert Goodwill (Conservative), Scarborough and Whitby Helen Grant (Conservative), Maidstone and The Weald Dominic Grieve (Conservative), Beaconsfield Andrew Griffiths (Conservative), Burton Justine Greening (Conservative), Putney Sam Gyimah (Conservative), Surrey East Mark Harper (Conservative), Forest of Dean Luke Hall (Conservative), Thornbury and Yate Philip Hammond (Conservative), Runnymede and Weybridge Stephen Hammond (Conservative), Wimbledon Robert Halfon (Conservative), Harlow Matt Hancock (Conservative), West Suffolk Greg Hands (Conservative), Chelsea and Fulham Richard Harrington (Conservative), Watford Simon Hart (Conservative), Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire Sir Alan Haselhurst (Conservative), Saffron Walden Oliver Heald (Conservative), Hertfordshire NE James Heappey (Conservative), Wells Peter Heaton-Jones (Conservative), Devon North Nick Herbert (Conservative), Arundel and South Downs Damian Hinds (Conservative), Hampshire East Simon Hoare (Conservative), Dorset North George Hollingbery (Conservative), Meon Valley Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative), Thirsk and Malton Kris Hopkins (Conservative), Keighley John Howell (Conservative), Henley Ben Howlett (Conservative), Bath Nigel Huddleston (Conservative), Worcestershire Mid Nick Hurd (Conservative), Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner Jeremy Hunt (Conservative), South West Surrey Margot James (Conservative), Stourbridge Robert Jenrick (Conservative), Newark Joseph Johnson (Conservative), Orpington Andrew Jones (Conservative), Harrogate and Knaresborough Marcus Jones (Conservative), Nuneaton Seema Kennedy (Conservative), South Ribble Simon Kirby (Conservative), Brighton Kemptown Julian Knight (Conservative), Solihull Mark Lancaster (Conservative), Milton Keynes North Phillip Lee (Conservative), Bracknell Oliver Letwin (Conservative), West Dorset Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative), Stafford Brandon Lewis (Conservative), Great Yarmouth David Lidington (Conservative), Aylesbury David Mackintosh (Conservative), Northampton South Theresa May (Conservative), Maidenhead Alan Mak (Conservative), Havant Tania Mathias (Conservative), Twickenham Mark Menzies (Conservative), Fylde Johnny Mercer (Conservative), Plymouth Moor View Maria Miller (Conservative), Basingstoke Nicky Morgan (Conservative), Loughborough David Mundell (Conservative), South of Scotland Patrick McLoughlin (Conservative), Derbyshire Dales Amanda Milling (Conservative), Cannock Chase Andrew Mitchell (Conservative), Sutton Coldfield David Morris (Conservative), Morecombe and Lunesdale James Morris (Conservative), Halesowen and Rowley Regis Wendy Morton (Conservative), Aldridge-Brownhills David Mowat (Conservative), Warrington South Bob Neill (Conservative), Bromley and Chislehurst Sarah Newton (Conservative), Truro and Falmouth Caroline Nokes (Conservative), Romsey and Southampton North Guy Opperman (Conservative), Hexham George Osborne (Conservative), Tatton Neil Parish (Conservative), Tiverton and Honiton Mark Pawsey (Conservative), Rugby John Penrose (Conservative), Weston-super-Mare Claire Perry (Conservative), Devizes Chris Philp (Conservative), Croydon South Eric Pickles (Conservative), Brentwood and Ongar Dan Poulter (Conservative), Suffolk Central Rebecca Pow (Conservative), Taunton Deane Victoria Prentis (Conservative), Banbury Mark Prisk (Conservative), Hertford and Stortford Mark Pritchard (Conservative), The Wrekin Jeremy Quin (Conservative), Horsham Mary Robinson (Conservative), Cheadle David Rutley (Conservative), Macclesfield Amber Rudd (Conservative), Hastings and Rye Antoinette Sandbach (Conservative), Eddisbury Andrew Selous (Conservative), South West Bedfordshire Grant Shapps (Conservative), Welwyn Hatfield Anna Soubry (Conservative), Broxtowe Alok Sharma (Conservative), Reading West Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative), Elmet and Rothwell Keith Simpson (Conservative), Broadland Chris Skidmore (Conservative), Kingswood Chloe Smith (Conservative), Norwich North Julian Smith (Conservative), Skipton and Ripon Nicholas Soames (Conservative), Mid-Sussex Amanda Solloway (Conservative), Derby North Caroline Spelman (Conservative), Meriden Mark Spencer (Conservative), Sherwood John Stevenson (Conservative), Carlisle Rory Stewart (Conservative), Penrith and The Border Gary Streeter (Conservative), Devon South West Mel Stride (Conservative), Devon Central Graham Stuart (Conservative), Beverley and Holderness Hugo Swire (Conservative), East Devon Maggie Throup (Conservative), Erewash Edward Timpson (Conservative), Crewe and Nantwich Kelly Tolhurst (Conservative), Rochester and Strood David Tredinnick (Conservative), Bosworth Elizabeth Truss (Conservative), South West Norfolk Tom Tugendhat (Conservative), Tonbridge and Malling Andrew Tyrie (Conservative), Chichester Ed Vaizey (Conservative), Wantage Shailesh Vara (Conservative), North West Cambridgeshire Robin Walker (Conservative), Worcester Jeremy Wright (Conservative), Taunton Ben Wallace (Conservative), Wyre and Preston North Matt Warman (Conservative), Boston and Skegness Angela Watkinson (Conservative), Hornchurch and Upminster Helen Whately (Conservative), Faversham and Mid Kent Chris White (Conservative), Warwick and Leamington Craig Whittaker (Conservative), Calder Valley Craig Williams (Conservative), Cardiff North Gavin Williamson (Conservative), Staffordshire South Rob Wilson (Conservative), Reading East Dr Sarah Wollaston (Conservative), Totnes Some Mps who backed remain yet expressly stated they would push for Brexit after the vote. Heidi Allen (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South Victoria Atkins (Conservative), Louth and Horncastle Harriett Baldwin (Conservative), Worcestershire West Richard Benyon (Conservative), Newbury James Berry (Conservative), Kingston and Surbiton Nicola Blackwood (Conservative), Oxford West and Abingdon Nicholas Boles (Conservative), Grantham and Stamford Karen Bradley (Conservative), Staffordshire Moorlands James Brokenshire (Conservative), Old Bexley and Sidcup Neil Carmichael (Conservative), Stroud Jo Churchill (Conservative), Bury St Edmunds Therese Coffey (Conservative), Suffolk Coastal Damian Collins (Conservative), Folkestone and Hythe Oliver Colvile (Conservative), Plymouth Sutton and Devonport Alberto Costa (Conservative), South Leicestershire Caroline Dinenage (Conservative), Gosport Michelle Donelan (Conservative), Chippenham Tobias Ellwood (Conservative), Bournemouth East Charlie Elphicke (Conservative), Dover Graham Evans (Conservative), Weaver Vale Mark Field (Conservative), Cities of London and Westminster George Freeman (Conservative), Norfolk Mid Mark Garnier (Conservative), Wyre Fores Nick Gibb (Conservative), Bognor Regis and Littlehampton Richard Graham (Conservative), Gloucester Damian Green (Conservative), Ashford Ben Gummer (Conservative), Ipswich (ps - Don't tell Hans loopy rolo - leave him in a world of his own - Thick as two short ones.. 😀) Edited January 29, 2020 by Jools 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites