Duncan Edwards

[quote user="Hairy Canary"]The diamond was clearly a mistake as you say Zipper. Matching Liverpool''s formation and trying to go head to head with them was naive IMO. I was just trying to counter Paul Ferry''s point that Adams had no plan B, which he clearly did. As to your point on substitutions Paul, no I don''t agree. We ended up with Murphey, Redmond, Snodgrass and a forward pushing Howson at the games end. There is no way on earth that Hughton would have gone for broke like that and I think the crown understood that we gave it our best shot.[/quote]   Looks like you''re a perfect exponent Hairy.   Interesting how interpretations are positive now.

[quote user="Branston Pickle"]...perhaps it might have even better to start in a way that didn''t stand off them and gift them a 2-0 lead in the first place?[/quote] Indeed, the crowd are strangely tolerant of such things now.

Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point.... The reference to "Plan B" was an inference to what the response from the support would have been had Hughton not made a substitution until 70mins+ when we were losing. Or do you disagree?

Nothing has changed since Hughton got the bullet yet the crowd are jubilantly accepting being 2-0 down in ten minutes now, simply because Adams isn''t Hughton. 2-0 down in 10 minutes, no subs until after 70+ minutes (WHERE IS THE PLAN B?), like-for-like changes when they are made, our most creative player nowhere to be seen, redmond on the left/snodgrass on the right, standing off and allowing shots from distance, midfielders not tracking runners.....the boo-boys are now happy-clapping to an unprecedented level..... As for Mackay, much loved if somewhat overrated club hero as a player, wouldn''t be a particularly inspirational appointment but he still isn''t Hughton, that''s clearly a plus.

Thanks Chris...

You seem completely pre-occupied with the opposition, why don''t you simply pick a team to play to our strengths rather than shackling them with this negative, defensive rubbish. Set them free.

.....and we''re still not in the bottom 3.....

[quote user="Norwich or die tryin"]We will never truely move forward under Delia and MWJ but to many Norwich fans are too scared of change and stuck in their ways too force the real change that''s needed.[/quote] How would you suggest proceeding? Demonstration?

I bloody hate traffic wardens....

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]I think its possible that we would even have to win 2 of these last 4 to stay up now?..........1 would have been improbable...2 is bordering impossible [/quote] There''s a bit of a breeze, best get those pants on the line!!! We might not need any points....

Not. A. Prayer.

If we do, those that have said that we were the worst team in the league all season will have been proved right. We were on course to stay up until we sacked the manager..

[quote user="can u sit down please"][quote user="Pauls Ferry"][quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]"He played 26 won 6 drew 7 and lost 13. 25pts. Using his current ppg ratio he would finish a whole season on 36 points. I''d love that ATM. Unbeaten in half his games? Is it that bad?" You cant really use a ppg ratio that excludes games against the top 4 and then extrapolate from it a projected level of performance against those top clubs. Adams wont reach 36 points, but its seriously misguided to suggest thats what Hughton was on course to achieve using that as a rationale[/quote] Why is it any more misguided than using it to project Sunderland''s points tally?[/quote] Not seeing as Sunderland have form against the big boys. If only we got poyet[/quote] You''d have sacked him before today though CUSDP - his win% is unacceptable for a Prem manager and his recent run of form - not having won a game for more than two months would have left him in the dole queue. You can''t have it all ways. ;-)

Quite, Bury Yellow. Perhaps more relevant would be how such a wise set of supporters let this pair of halfwits get their hands on the club in the first place? Perhaps the fans shouldn''t be too quick to point the finger, after all, Chase was ousted because "anyone would be better" much like Worthington and Hughton. The end result of that motion was to end up with Smith and Jones, how many honestly still think that hounding out the only helmsman to deliver us real on-field success, a sustained and established period in the top-flight AND silverware, was a good idea? We wouldn''t have wasted 8.5m on RVW under his stewardship, that''s for sure. He''d have found a Kevin Drinkell from the lower leagues - replaced quality with quality.

[quote user="TIL 1010"]Believe me Butler I know more about big bad Bob than you think right back to the days when he borrowed money from a bank to buy his way into Norwich City and before you jump the gun it was not Barclays but I actually know the man who lent it to him who says it was the worst days work he ever did. Best I not say anymore at present as I expect one of the brothers Grimm will be along shortly as a character witness when he is alerted that your hero is being mentioned. [/quote] Well done for not responding to that nasty jibe about your illness Til1010, disgraceful.

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]Sunday is a big challenge for Norwich supporters. They will be up against a very ebullient and vocal away support. It is within the gift of the Norwich fans to compete vocally, will they though?[/quote] I''ll be doing my bit in the Jarrold, how about you Rudolph? That''s all we''ve got left to give isn''t it?

Still no blame for the players then..:-/

[quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]"He played 26 won 6 drew 7 and lost 13. 25pts. Using his current ppg ratio he would finish a whole season on 36 points. I''d love that ATM. Unbeaten in half his games? Is it that bad?" You cant really use a ppg ratio that excludes games against the top 4 and then extrapolate from it a projected level of performance against those top clubs. Adams wont reach 36 points, but its seriously misguided to suggest thats what Hughton was on course to achieve using that as a rationale[/quote] Why is it any more misguided than using it to project Sunderland''s points tally?

He played 26 won 6 drew 7 and lost 13. 25pts. Using his current ppg ratio he would finish a whole season on 36 points. I''d love that ATM. Unbeaten in half his games? Is it that bad? His record including cup is 34.29. Looking at the overall picture of the job he''s done, reads pretty well. There''s no denying that they have had two fantastic cup runs and a trip to Wembley that the fans will never forget. Has the cup affected them? Course it has. Did di canio affect sunderlands season? Of course. He had 2 months with a fragile squad, turned them around and they still stand an outside chance of staying up. It''s no coincidence that Sunderland fans love him, regardless of his %''s. People that look at the black and white of the league position are a bit narrow minded. After all......we finished 11th last yr and that was deemed as progress [:0] ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cup games? Excuses, just like squad fragility and injuries. When Hughton was sacked his ppg ratio for this season would have seen us finish the season on 37 points (36.85). Any turnaround seems to have taken place "on the spot" as they remain bottom of the league and haven''t won a league fixture since February 1st. That run of form, his win% and his ppg ratio ALL suggests to me that Poyet''s record is untenable, by your standards, for a Premier League manager.

They got lucky with Lambert. Pure and simple.

They''ve priced everyone out. Now they''re not owed anything perhaps they''ll let the club go for a reasonable price rather than worrying about their paltry investment.

[quote user="can u sit down please"]I would''ve had poyet. Sunderland were dead and buried and and still have a chance of staying up. They''ve had a coupl of great cup runs, beat the big boys and all of there fans love him. Maybe they''ll go down but they''ve gone down fighting knowing 99% of the blame lays with di canio.[/quote] I reckon you must see what you want to. Poyet has had 26 games and lost half of them. They haven''t won a game since February 1st. His win% is 23.1 - that is unacceptable for a Premier League manager, wouldn''t you say?

[quote user="Rock The Boat"]I think we should be proud of Seattle Canary. A Norfolk lad carving out a good career in the US. Wish there were more like him.[/quote]   Absolutely. He is very rude to other posters though.    

ICF, you demonstrate my point perfectly, can you really not see where the media are coming from?.   I''ve tried to indicate how our recent activity is likely to be perceived to those with no attachment to the club.   Sherwood was given far longer, we''ve replaced a manager who averaged more than a point a game over two seasons with a manager that''s never won a point in the PL. With five games to go, a point a game would keep us up. CH has managed against the big 4 previously and had obtained wins against Man U and Arsenal. A repeat of either would keep us up.   Your assumptions from our point of view as fans is exactly how most NCFC fans perceive it, we''d lost our last 6 away, put in an abject display against WBA and all hope appeared lost. Adams has come in, given the fans a lift, freshened things up and we believe/d we had half a chance.   But - if you take off the fan glasses - it''s not difficult to see why the media think that the move to sack Hughton is bonkers. It''s not my personal opinion but I can see their thinking. They aren''t attached, they''re not aware of the intricacies, they just see a few highlights and then a league table. If it had been a rival club taking this action this late in the season, what would your reaction have been?   And when Hughton was sacked, we weren''t favourites for the third relegation spot. Before Saturday''s game we were still odds against at 11/10. We are now 4/9 third favourites.    

I''m not sure you can be TOO critical of the media position.   The facts are that Hughton was sacked while we were 5 points outside the drop zone with 5 tough games to go. They replaced a manager who had managed to mastermind just 4 away wins in nearly two seasons with a guy who''d never even managed a PL away game let alone won one ahead of a crucial away game. Hughton''s win% was a little over 25, with 4 games left we need the new guy, realistically, to hit a 25% win ratio.   If you remove the emotion - not easy as fans - you can see that to an outsider who has no attachment to the club at all; this could look mental. To us, the crack had become a crevasse and was irreparable, but we''ve essentially put a guy with zero experience in his chair and asked him to do as well as the last guy had been doing in order to keep us up, but from the toughest run of fixtures.   It''s impossible to say whether we''d have fared any better or worse under Hughton, Adams or anyone else, but while as a fan I can''t agree with the media standpoint, it''s not difficult to see where they are coming from.