Mr.Carrow

I would question whether Toney is massively further ahead of Idah. I honestly think if it were Pukki injured Idah would be scoring regularly. Whether he's yet up to the Prem is a different question of course.... but then you could ask that question of nearly all championship players.

Wonder if Bannon might fancy swapping a relegation scrap with Wednesday for a promotion push with us? 🤔

Buendia and Cantwell are showboating prima donnas 😠

It's SINGINGS Hogesar. Get it rite 🙄

Apparently Cardiff have the most headers won in the division so I think Steipi will start. We have the worst headers won statistic so I think people underestimate Steipi's usefulness defending set pieces (yeah I know people will say he's not great in the air, but he's better than most).

There must be a hell of a lot of moaning pressure building up right now. It must be almost painful. Guys, there will be a game in which we concede from a couple of set pieces and draw or lose. It will happen. Just be patient and stay strong. Your time will come.

Look at the young players we've attracted in recent years. Top rated youngsters such as Mumba come because we have great facilities, great coaching, great management, a calm environment to live in and we allow players to move on if a huge bid comes in from a top club. What do you think our current (and prospective) young players would think if we literally told Emi and Todd that they can't leave at any price? It's not a good look and not good for our reputation. I think we're in a very strong position to keep everyone. I think interested parties would be rolling their eyes right now thinking "Norwich are top, which adds £7-8m to the price of any player we want to sign". As an aside, we've gone on this fantastic run without Cantwell. Emi of course is a different kettle of fish.

Whatever floats your boat mate. You do you 😁

"I know that you will feel this is unfair and please don't take it personally, but I fear that this is why some people may believe that you are racist. You might not like it, but if they believe that the system discriminates against them, those that are not prepared to reform the system to remove discrimination are complicit in supporting the racism that it sustains" So there you have it, unless you fully agree with people who "believe that the system discriminates against them" that "the system is racist" in Badgers own words you will probably be considered a racist. The worst I've accused anybody of is being ideologically, rather than factually, driven and maybe unaware of the background of BLM and the Critical Race Theory. Your statement above is basically a Kafka Trap: " agree with me on this ideological position that I cannot prove, or you are part of a pernicious resistance to acceptance of my unproven ideological position". This is authoritarianism 101.

This is exactly the point I've been trying to make on the two threads. BLM are a part of a wider narrative. It is very difficult to try to describe a different narrative to people who seem completely blinded by their own.

I don't agree that Godfrey is a less talented player, but 100% agree with the rest. I think part of it is the reputation of the club with ex-players such as the likes of Ruddy and Maddison being in with the Norwich fans at away games. It just fosters a really good vibe and I think the more level headed young players think 'I want to be remembered like that when I leave". Also a fantastic example to the next wave.

Fair enough. "Issues with racial background" sounds much more nuanced than "the system is racist". I sometimes wonder whether it's possible to have a genuine debate on this subject at all as so much comes down to semantics, interpretation and differing definitions. The Idpol movement seems to be trying to define any difference between groups whatsoever as definitive proof of prejudice and oppression. I think this is both reductive and counter-productive. I really, really wish people would stop throwing the word racist around so readily. It is now the most loaded term in the English language and if any even slightly controversial viewpoint is immediately assailed with the R bomb people stop speaking. It's like constantly throwing grenades into the national conversation and is extremely destructive. And in this time when "punching up" is one of the buzz phrases, most of it seems to be punching down at an increasingly disoriented and resentful working class. I imagine the ruling class watching this ongoing destructive sh*tstorm rubbing their hands with glee....

On the other thread there was some stats showing a couple of demographics being above whites in the highest quartile. I also believe under 30 it's quite a different picture. Also working class white boys are clearly struggling educationally. That's what I meant by "in some cases".

I don't think it's exactly a shock that a predominantly white country which had a huge and lucrative empire still has a bigger middle class than fairly recently arrived ethnic groups who mainly arrived poor. I loathe the self-serving middle class with their big inheritance, nepotism, "I know a good lawyer who can sort that", jobs for the boys etc, but I don't think they are driven by racism, merely self interest. They certainly wouldn't let anybody I know into their little club. Interesting to watch them drown out any talk of maybe them paying a bit more tax with pompous, empty Woke virtue signalling. I believe some of those demographics are steadily closing the gap, whilst others are not? I'd be interested to hear realistic policies to close the gap for underperforming demographics without breeding resentment in working class whites?

You do not get to make an incendiary truth claim such as "the system is racist", then demand that others disprove it. This is the "if you can't disprove God, he exists" fallacy. I've already stated that abject poverty is a scourge on western societies and I believe in a full scale fight against it. I believe certain groups have been more fully pulled into the poverty trap than others for extremely complex reasons. Racism is one but, yet again, if it's the main one then you have to explain why many ethnic groups are doing really well and in some cases better than white British. How did they thrive if "the system is racist"? In the documentary I linked on the other page the (British Pakistani I believe) police chief stated plainly that different ethnic communities focussed on different kinds of crimes, therefore it follows that there will be different statistics. So, a minimum wage of £15 per hour would be a great start and would disproportionately help black British folk. How does focussing on race help bring that about? And again, I think viewing the issue through that highly contentious and unprovable lens makes the issues harder to solve, not easier. Working class whites will never accept being told that they are inherently privileged and favoured by "a racist system" when they can clearly see many ethnic groups doing better than them. It's a road to ruin and pure madness.

"I really can't be bothered to find the quote but on the other thread you stated that differences in outcome between ethnic groups is mainly down to discrimination. " "The other reason that it is a silly question is that it misunderstands the nature of the problem: black and other minority ethnic groups are poorer largely because of negative discrimination - it therefore follows that removing the discrimination is the key to ending their poverty. Equal and fair access to the employment market, education and legal system and criminal justice would be good places to start."

I've noticed that he seems to mark a point up or down depending on key moments in the game. I think he was probably rating him a 7 but knocked a point off for his role in the goal. I agree it's a bit unfair.

I'm starting to think that we're in a good position with Emi in that I think he's too good for us, but not good enough to attract the kind of bids we'd take seriously. His set pieces are poor and he is still regarded as a bit of a loose cannon. Last season he made a lot of costly mistakes. Top clubs notice these things. I also think he looks bouncy and happy right now so I doubt he'll be angling for a move when he must be pretty confident of promotion with us.

Dude, the facts quoted literally do not prove any causation whatsoever. I really can't be bothered to find the quote but on the other thread you stated that differences in outcome between ethnic groups is mainly down to discrimination. There is zero proof of this and the varying performances between groups indicate that this is at best dubious. I think it is more down to cultural differences but as there is no way of definitively proving this I stated above that it is difficult, maybe impossible to parse. Just because you and your ideological brethren interpret the statistics a certain way does not make you automatically right my furry friend. You accused me of "opposing anti-racism gestures". It is then incumbent on YOU to back up that claim. Let's see a quote.

I haven't opposed anti-racism gestures. I couldn't give a monkeys what people do with 20 seconds of their time and I don't agree with people booing them for expressing whatever they want to express. My focus has been on the philosophy behind BLM and the narrative heist being attempted by the identity politics movement. "Whilst it is true that individual statistics do not prove causation". But still you call anybody who questions what lies behind those statistics a racist (which you expressly did in the quote I provided from the other thread). If you want to make such an outrageous claim it is incumbent on YOU to prove it and to explain why other ethnic groups have wildly varying statistics including many that are very positive. In that context the "it's all racism" claim doesn't make much sense does it? Your response to my "misandrist transport" point is largely reliant on talking about cultural differences between men and women, something you don't seem to want to acknowledge between different ethnic groups. Why not? Trevor Phillips has stated that people "prefer segregation". If this is true then differing outcomes between different groups is inevitable unless you want to claim that, say, British Carribbean culture is exactly the same as British Pakistani? My mother used to foster seven Bangladeshi kids to ease the burden on a struggling single mother. They moved to Birmingham largely because there were few Bangladeshis in Norwich. A few months later they had to leave Birmingham in a rush under police protection because some of the kids had got involved in a violent feud between local Bangladeshi's and people from the Angolan community. I vacated my house at short notice and moved back in with my parents at the age of 30 so these kids wouldn't be homeless. Big cultural differences between ethnic groups are a fact. How you parse how much of differing outcomes is down to that, or racism, is immensely difficult- maybe impossible.

This from our furry friend on the other thread "You might not like it, but if they believe that the system discriminates against them, those that are not prepared to reform the system to remove discrimination are complicit in supporting the racism that it sustains. ". In other words "I believe in an unproven theory based on making the worst possible assumptions about extremely complex statistics showing wildly differing outcomes among different ethnic groups. And if you don't 100% agree with me, you're an evil racist". Don't fall off that white horse Badger 😉

Because the above statistics do not prove causation. Everybody knows that racism still exists but given that there are widely differing statistics amongst different ethnic groups (even among different black demographics) to lump it all in the "racism" box is not just simplistic and reductive, but self-evidently wrong. Again, Trevor Phillips has been through all this....but obviously he's a racist. Men are involved in more car accidents than women, which proves that men are discriminated against in a misandrist transport system. Anybody disagreeing with this statement is a misandrist bigot! I demand action!

Loads of articles such as this around: https://medium.com/@paulcabellon/brown-privilege-12eab13a4899

That's simply so you can whinge when we only get 10.