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Maybe if WE played with some attacking endeavour. An atmosphere would generate itself. You would not need a drum then Positive football= positive Carrow road atmosphere

posted this some time ago and I have still not changed my mind. What ever you do you must always be ready for the "worst case scenario." i.e. the keeper messes up the goal kick. He does not concentrate when he is not involved. Why did he not run wide to recieve the ball and then wave the keeper to kick it. This would have wasted another 30 seconds.   29/01/2009, 9:29 AM ctid Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 46 Re: Our right side! DO ME A FAVOUR The poor fella is out of his depth. He looks like the poor unsportslike kid who was always put on the wing in rugby at school. everything is going smoothly until it gets to him. He does not know what to do. Go forward, go backward,pass it, kick it, take someone on. It takes him so long to think about he gets charged down by the opposition and ends up making a complete balls up of it. He totally upsets the flow and movement of the team and indirectly will cost us goals. Even when the play is not down his side. Sorry John but not at this level. Love to see him prove me wrong because on the odd occasion he is good he is awesome but they are to few and far inbetween.

upper barclay.          makes up for my years of "Drury to score the first goal"

£68 for a £2 stake   I could not look when Cureton ran through for the one on one with the keeper !

For anybody I have failed to tell. City were 33/1 to win 4-0 last night. Thank you very much ladbrookes

How much say does the chief executive have? Is he not an employed administrator? does he have the power of hire and fire? Does he sit on board meetings ? Can a clubs success be measured by the CE''s abilility?

He was not the right man for the job in the first place. We needed a manager with experience. He was not the right man after we got relegated. Thank you Bryan, but we need to look else where. But no. He got the job and was allowed to build his team. He has a contract and the board believes he is the man to take us forward. We get absolutely humiliated at home. The board could have sacked him Monday morning and even the people in the Gunn corner would have had trouble disputing the decision. We then go away from home and win 4-0. We have not done this in any competition for years. We have struggled in this competion against Bury and Rotheram in previous years. You think, well lets not get carried away but this is a good result and it maybe the beginning of the improvement. The players who played so well would have had a burst of confidence and be looking forward to tomorrows game. One awful result followed by an excellent one. We surely should have given it another few games before dismissing the manager. I pray there is something afoot. A new owner and a cash injection with a manager in mind. If this is the case, then maybe the board are being proactive and maybe forgiven. If not; then they are really trying my patience. CTID but these people are really making it bloody difficult. I am not a Delia hater. I appreciate her stance. She has put lots of her own money in and wants it back if she is to leave the club. She is a City fan without doubt. She will  struggle to make the money back because the board which she is part of makes stupid decisions ,repeatedly. We are becoming a joke in the football world. We start again with the instability of no manager and then a new manager with different ideas. Will he fancy the two Ian''s. How much will this cost ? Bryan Gunn was never my choice. However, he was given the job and should have been allowed to prove that he was worthy. The powers that be thought he was, and then doubted their opinion as soon as the going got tough. This is not the stuff of leaders but the signs of weakness. You can not be successful when the core of the club is weak. Chase was not well liked but he could never be accused of being weak. I am at a loss of what to think any more. Whatever his shortcomings and inabilities. I dont feel Bryan Gunn has been treated fairly or justly. He is a decent man who has always been a honourable servant of both this club and our fine city. He has unfortunately been employed by a group of people who do not bring the same honour to our club or city. Winning is everything, business is cut throat, sometimes individuals must be sacrificed for the greater good. There better be some greater good on the way!        

The most hopeful aspect for me is that we have not been able to do this in the league cup, even when we were a championship team. extra time at Bury ect.

Great picture. My father done it to me and I have done it to my son. Infliction of a love which is 5% ecstasy and 95% agony. Still, I would rather lose 1-7 then tell everyone I am looking forward to the  "prem starting this weekend" and " how I am glad that JT stayed with us" or " I think we will do ok, this could be Scholesy  and Giggsy last season." I have readily taken the stick off of any real supporter but not the plastic fans. My stock answer is always. " If your principles and morals do not enforce you to support your local team. You will probaly support Germany or Argentina in the world cup: as statistically, the odds on them winning are surely greater based on past performanc. You are therefore, unprincipled and immoral; or in laymans terms, a bandwagon W.....r! despite the anger, humiliation, frustration and absolute agony........ still CTID

29/01/2009, 9:29 AM      This is a "cut and paste "of a post I made on 229/01/2009.   Have we moved on ?         ctid Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 38 Re: Our right side! DO ME A FAVOUR The poor fella is out of his depth. He looks like the poor unsportslike kid who was always put on the wing in rugby at school. everything is going smoothly until it gets to him. He does not know what to do. Go forward, go backward,pass it, kick it, take someone on. It takes him so long to think about he gets charged down by the opposition and ends up making a complete balls up of it. He totally upsets the flow and movement of the team and indirectly will cost us goals. Even when the play is not down his side. Sorry John but not at this level. Love to see him prove me wrong because on the odd occasion he is good he is awesome but they are to few and far inbetween.

extremely funny, thank you

OTBC  that is our song like it not The music when we score a goal. Awful. Do we need to be reminded that we should be happy? The music after any presentation. FA cup . European cup. End of season. Let the  fans do what a crowd does best. Spontaneous atmosphere

a sensible contribution, steeped in experience and passion for the club

Paul Ince has been my choice all along. His only mistake was going to Blackburn . He went there thinking and playing like they were an established footballing team when in fact they just played the conservative per centage game that keeps average teams in the league. Hughes done it and know Sam throwthedice has reintroduced it. He achieved with limited resources at Macclesfield and then improved an improving squad at MK Dons. Hated him when he played against us but would have liked him in a yellow shirt. Was a no nonsense player with an element of skill. Knew when to put his foot through the ball and when to play it. Obviously was able to relay this to players at Macclesfied and MK Dons. The bottom line it is always a gamble when appointing a manager but who''s CV  presents the least risk of failure. Grant, no experience of managing Roeder, experience of failure. I certainly cannot not imagine Paul Ince selecting the likes of Fotheringham and Otsemoboor. He is the best risk for me, but I do not think we can affford him

At some point in the future; we will either improve,  get lucky , get a new owner or all three. The 18,000 of us who are "real" fans; In sickness and in health, until death do us part. Will turn on the glory seekers and sing "where were you when we were s***". All you first Wizards should understand.The loyal 18k are not supporting the rubbish appointments made by a rubbish board; or the lack of commitment made by overpaid mercenaries. We are Norwich fans by birthright. It is a tattoo that cannot be removed. Iwill admire those fans visiting Carrow road next season who will hope to stay in div 1 and not even dream of the premiership. They too are real fans and not keyboard warriors  

Absolute crap. Will we attract decent players to the club ? No. Will our income be the same ? No. Does it mean a buyer will come in for the club ? No. Will it mean that Delia is willing to sell at a loss? No. Will the football be attractive ? No. Given that we are currently struggling to buy our own players and will have to rely on loanees again. Will the likes of the premier see us as a good education for their young and surplus players ? No. Do we have enough quality youngsters to blood in a very industrial league? No. {If we did, perhaps they would have been playing this season.} We may have to make the best of a bad job if we dont win the next two games but please do not even hint that it will do us good. It would be better that we avoid relegation and start next season as we have finished this one. Mid table mediocrity would be a good starting base for improvement. I am sure Southampton do not view their troubles as a spring board to improvement.

and goes on

and the run continues

all the teams around us have put a run together at some point. we have now won two out of three. Can we dream and have our own run ?

Yes, as I have said before JC is a nice fella and loves the club, all to be commended, BUT he is not scoring and therefore subject to criticism. To even mention the German war machine in the same breath , Tripe

I do not blame any player for the £20 million debt. I think the mismanagement of football is the responsibiltiy of every board in the country.  Players are paid too much,but it is not their fault. No one tells the boss to pay them less. The forming of the premier league shafted us smaller clubs and cost us money. Clubs have for too long over stretched themselves in terms of income against expenditure. I do not blame the fans at all. Certainly not Norwich fans. Those fans who have travelled the country every other week to watch us play consistently poor are first class. The fans have contributed their cash. The point I was making is that it is very cheap to watch City and an astute business man would say "too cheap". It is a business fact that when times are hard you can sometimes earn more money by raising prices,and reducing your customer base. I do blame the board for our current plight. Worthy should have gone earlier, Grant/Roeder were poor appointments. All those West Ham fans could not have been wrong. Gunny is just sheer desperation and lack of funds. Jamie scored last week and hopefully will score today,but he is going to be outstanding in the next 12 games to have had a decent season. I admire his love of the club but sometimes love is not enough. Quality will always show through. My world is not cosy at all. If we don''t get 3 points today i envisage that our task will be extremely difficult and our demise will be the boards fault. The board consists of more than Delia and MWJ. Doncaster is an executive not the Chairman.  

WOW thanks for that constructive reply LOL

Throw away statements are easy, lazy and defeatist. At least be critical with a reasoned retort.

The Smith''s have invested there own wealth in the club [good] The Smith''s have been part of a process that has appointed incompetent Managers [bad] Those Managers have bought and borrowed incompetent players[bad] Included in those players are JC . Great bloke, loves the club, feels he owes the club and the fans, passionate about the club, but that is not enough- DOES NOT SCORE [bad] Poor Simon Lappin, again, model pro, but three successive regimes have decided he is not good enough [truth] Full houses every week. Yes, but at what cost. As an example: my 18 year old son pays 12 months of £12.50 per month. "He maybe one for the future" at full whack, but like the many other concessions. The club are making pittance from him. In terms of profit per seat, I hazard a guess that we operate at 75% of capacity. Extreme credit to the club, serves the local community ["we support our local team"]and despite the fact that we have only acquired a few decent players recently; playing in front of a full house must be an enticement.Business sense of it all. I  think a ruthless business team would increase prices and take lower attendance, reducing running costs [less stewarding, mantainance ect.] investing in off field activities. There is not a club in the country, including your local community club, who do not endeavour to make money out of their facilities. Bingo in the club house or using part of the ground as a restaurant or conference centre. Stadium''s are too expensive to sit idle all week [fact]. You do not have to go on Dragons den to realise that with  Delia on board it has to make good sense to exploit cooking. It brings money into the club every year. It puts Norwich City FC in the public eye. [good] Mr Doncaster-; despise; a very emotive word for someone you do not personaly know and is paid to be the voice of the club.  The truth is we are in debt [£20 million, but has been more] and the club needs to be run on a sound business model. [fact] So do not blame him for the fact that JC does not score and that the keeper gives the ball to the opposition. That Osemorboor has one forward gear and three reverse or that we are tactically suicidal at times. That belongs to the players -coaches- and those that appointed them. Not Mr Doncaster. He is an administrator; not a coach. The point I am making is that you cannot blame everyone and everything because the team are poor. Some people at the club are performing well. But the real big over earners are not doing the business. Don''t chuck the baby out with the bath water. The other point I am making is that some of you on this board talk absolute unreasoned crap !

The first post is correct. It appears on occasions we play neat passing football. Play it down one side, bring it back accros the pitch, maintaining possesion, down the other side again. Try something that might result in a goalscoring position and we lose it and get caught on the counter. We need to move the ball quicker. By the time every yellow shirt has had a touch the opposition are back in their half and forcing us into an error.Then, as the better teams have done; Bristol and Swansea. Three touches and they are in our box in seconds. Second half against Bristol we made a decent effort with 10 men. Huffed and puffed a lot. In fact so much so that we looked dead on our feet in the last 5 minutes. Yes, I felt sorry for the players and the fans. TV has shown the ref to have made a critical error again but these do balance out over the course of season and so far we have been quite poor for most of the season. We are where we are because of what we are. Last week I dared to mention than John Otsemorboor was not good enough at this level and was duly slaughtered by some on this board. I reiterate my point. He just does not have the required ability for 90 minutes. I don''t feel any animosity towards him and refuse to harang or moan during the game as I hope he produces that odd bit of pace and magic but unfortunately he is suffering from a complete lack of confidence and takes us backward at crucial stages of the game. [as he did on saturday] Hopefully we can get another centre half and play Grounds at right back. We have some tricky games where a point away from home will do. I think our best hope is to play 442. With a left footed midfielder providing defensive cover for Drury who unfortunately gets exposed to often.