How far into the season????

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="Indy"]

I had the same thinking LDC, give Hughton the rest of the season, but to be honest this is the biggest season in the clubs history financially and how long do you give a failing manager?   I know it''s only 7 games in but questions are going to be asked and after 11 games a lot of answers will be there to see! I''m one who agreed with the Hughton appointment but after the summer and now into the season, the players don''t appear to be too happy, comments in the press about the coaching and training, on the ptich frustrations are there to see and you have to question Hughton''s ability to get the best out of players.  Hughton hasn''t really got a lot of management credentials, he''s a decent bloke who calls it as it is, but we don''t need a TV pundit managing out club we need a leader and I dont''t see that in him, maybe I''m wrong, but his press confrences are always pointing to us being a little club and doing our best! You don''t see other managers of the same size clubs doing that!   I can''t see how he can carry on if we don''t get a win in the next three and I don''t see Bowkett and MacNally sitting around giving him the full season if it''s not working, I don''t think they are that type of board.  Time will tell & I hope h can turn things around it would be lovely to beat Arsenal. 

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This is the biggest season financially - because we will largely be debt free at the end of it.      But I know what you''re referring to - I just don''t think it has any bearing on the team.    They are under enough pressure to get results.  Adding next season''s  windfall to the equation doesn''t really help them. It would be great to stay up - and to my mind its better to have a bad start and improve during the season than get over excited at the beginning of the season through one or two great results - then spend the rest of the season being disappointed (Swansea??). 

No, if Hughton can just eek out one or two results, the momentum may build from there and we can show that improvement that we need.   It makes for a interesting season - every season in the premiership is going to be a roller coaster - each one in different ways.  This one is no exception.  But keeping our nerve as fans is paramount.   We expect the manager and team to keep theirs so we -imo - have to keep ours.    I don''t think the manager''s position will be under any threat - it would only happen if fans get silly about things - like the Blackburn  fans.   You can''t expect a team to do well if the fans are calling for the manager''s head all the time.    Like I said its about keeping your nerve and hoping that things improve.  There is no practical alternative.

[0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

At the time I thought  Hughton was the best available but after talking to a Newcastle fan and asking him why Hughton was sacked he said uninspiring football. I mentioned the fact that he had gained promotion and he felt that most people would have managed that with the squad at his disposal. We will have to wait and see.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="ridgeman"]At the time I thought  Hughton was the best available but after talking to a Newcastle fan and asking him why Hughton was sacked he said uninspiring football. I mentioned the fact that he had gained promotion and he felt that most people would have managed that with the squad at his disposal. We will have to wait and see.[/quote]Exactly, the majority of the posters on here would have been able to get Newcastle promoted to the Premier League the season that Hughton did and that really is saying something.

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="ridgeman"]At the time I thought  Hughton was the best available but after talking to a Newcastle fan and asking him why Hughton was sacked he said uninspiring football. I mentioned the fact that he had gained promotion and he felt that most people would have managed that with the squad at his disposal. We will have to wait and see.[/quote]Exactly, the majority of the posters on here would have been able to get Newcastle promoted to the Premier League the season that Hughton did and that really is saying something.

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That''s one supporter.   Then there are the thousands who were singing Hughton''s name when he went back the other week - and the outcry by the Newcastle supporters en masse  when he was sacked. 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]

That''s one supporter.   Then there are the thousands who were singing Hughton''s name when he went back the other week - and the outcry by the Newcastle supporters en masse  when he was sacked. 

[/quote]Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="lake district canary"]That''s one supporter.   Then there are the thousands who were singing Hughton''s name when he went back the other week - and the outcry by the Newcastle supporters en masse  when he was sacked.  [/quote]Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.

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   Pardew??   Now you must be joking.............................

[First Wizard 0]

This why I admire Peter Grant, unlike Hughton, Peter had the honesty and courage to admit he couldn''t do the job.

 

City, aided by the likes of LDC, will blindly plod along, defeat following defeat until relegation is assured, then it will be ''oh, but he must be given a chance to get us back up again''...........its Worthy time again folks.

 

CH is a car crash in waiting for us.............call the AA.

[TCCANARY 263]

Chris Hughton is a good manager, you just have to have an open mind.

 

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="Wiz"]

This why I admire Peter Grant, unlike Hughton, Peter had the honesty and courage to admit he couldn''t do the job.

 

City, aided by the likes of LDC, will blindly plod along, defeat following defeat until relegation is assured, then it will be ''oh, but he must be given a chance to get us back up again''...........its Worthy time again folks.

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No, Wiz.   Hughton is not the same as anyone else.   The trouble is if you are bitter about the past - you can''t accept things for what they are now.   Hughton is his own man and should be respected for that.   Not compared to someone who has had completely different experiences. 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="TCCANARY"]

Chris Hughton is a good manager, you just have to have an open mind.

 

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His CV is average at best TC..................we deserve better.

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Wiz"][quote user="TCCANARY"]

Chris Hughton is a good manager, you just have to have an open mind.

 

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His CV is average at best TC..................we deserve better.

[/quote]Whoooooooosssssssshhhhhhhh.That was way too subtle TC.[:D]

[Jim Smith 2,339]

Whilst I have been a defender of Hughton and urged patience I have already outlined above how long I would give him (i.e. no win in next 4 or less than 15 points at Christmas and we should be considering Plan B). To LDC I note their are arguments for continuity and retaining Hoot regardless of what happens this season but i just feel survival this season is too important to us financially and as a club for us not to do everything in our power to try and achieve it and the fact is that in the premier league, a good run of games can propel you up the lower half of the table quite quickly. It is therefore perfectly possible that a new manager could get that extra out of our players over the course of the second half of the season (where most of our home fixtures are games we would be looking/expecting to take points from) which would make all the difference.

Of course for it is also possible that hughton could oversee an upturn as well in the second half of the season but I think that if things have carried on in the same vein as they are now until then such an upturn would be unlikely as confidence will be shot and the atmosphere around the club will be terrible. In such circumstances a change would most likely be needed if we are to have any chance of staying up.

All that said i don;t think replacing Hughton will be necessary because i have seen enough over the first 7 games to suggest we are not far off being a decent team and i believe that we will get that crucial first win in the next month or so and will then kick on from there. We have been unfortunate thus far in that we had 2 or three games where we really should have taken the 3 points but rather than have the opportuinity to build on those performances we have gone straight into an unforgiving run of fixtures that have rather seen us hit a brick wall. We have one more of those fixtures left on Saturday and losing that game won;t make any significant difference to my view on when or whether hoot should stay or go unless we take another hiding and don;t show any fight.

[nutty nigel 7,598]

Both McNally and Bowkett have said how important it is to still be in the premier league next season. Anybody who was at the fans forum would have been left in no doubt how they felt. If you weren''t there I can tell you that they stressed the importance of that more strongly than any poster on this messageboard has. I find it unthinkable that they don''t have a plan b to put into place at a time when they believe a change would be able to make a difference. That time obviously isn''t now. So now we want them to support the manager don''t we? Or do any of you seriously think they should be piling more pressure on him?

 

 

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Both McNally and Bowkett have said how important it is to still be in the premier league next season. Anybody who was at the fans forum would have been left in no doubt how they felt. If you weren''t there I can tell you that they stressed the importance of that more strongly than any poster on this messageboard has. I find it unthinkable that they don''t have a plan b to put into place at a time when they believe a change would be able to make a difference. That time obviously isn''t now. So now we want them to support the manager don''t we? Or do any of you seriously think they should be piling more pressure on him?

 

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Nutty, of course I wasn''t there but I trust your judgment and read of the situation, both because of how I see you judging other issues on this forum and, also, because of my own perception of Bowkett and McNally and firmly believe that they will always have an alternate plan if things are not working out. I find it interesting, however, that Highland Canary, in an earlier post on this thread, was at the same meeting and ended up with a completely different impression, quote, "Listening to Bowkett and McNally at the fans'' forum, in my opinion, Hughton will still be our manager even if we are bottom at Christmas and finish 20th."

 

[Timmah 0]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Both McNally and Bowkett have said how important it is to still be in the premier league next season. Anybody who was at the fans forum would have been left in no doubt how they felt. If you weren''t there I can tell you that they stressed the importance of that more strongly than any poster on this messageboard has. I find it unthinkable that they don''t have a plan b to put into place at a time when they believe a change would be able to make a difference. That time obviously isn''t now. So now we want them to support the manager don''t we? Or do any of you seriously think they should be piling more pressure on him?

 

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Nutty, of course I wasn''t there but I trust your judgment and read of the situation, both because of how I see you judging other issues on this forum and, also, because of my own perception of Bowkett and McNally and firmly believe that they will always have an alternate plan if things are not working out. I find it interesting, however, that Highland Canary, in an earlier post on this thread, was at the same meeting and ended up with a completely different impression, quote, "Listening to Bowkett and McNally at the fans'' forum, in my opinion, Hughton will still be our manager even if we are bottom at Christmas and finish 20th."

 

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Highland Canary''s glass is always half empty. Probably with Tolly Cobbold.

 

 

[lake district canary 0]

What I don''t understand amongst all the posters that think we should change the manager during the season, is why they think it will make any difference.   Switching mid stream is not sensible.   Get another manager in and you are not guaranteed anything.  Its just a lottery.

The sacking and bringing in another management team - whoever they are - does not mean we are any more likely to survive this season.  Imo you are more likely to get improvement in performance if you let the present manager do his job, get the team playing how he wants them to play - and develop through the season.    We started slowly - we can improve.  Its not rocket science - and its a heck of a sight better than switching managers mid season. 

I really think the drama queens should get real and start supporting the club.   Getting rid is not a good path to take - improvement and building understanding and performance with the present manager is the best option. 

Simply give the man time to do his job.   

[The acolyte 0]

Well you see LDC I think that hooton being kicked out, to save us from our fate under him (relegation) is fair enough. Bringing in somebody else who knows how to actually manage like Holloway is much better than the negative boring football we play right now, not to mention the press confenrences.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]What I don''t understand amongst all the posters that think we should change the manager during the season, is why they think it will make any difference.   Switching mid stream is not sensible.   Get another manager in and you are not guaranteed anything.  Its just a lottery.

[/quote]Ah yes, but as Dale Winton says "You''ve got to be in it to win it!"

[TIL 1010 4,783]

[quote user="Smudger"]
Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.


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Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

[quote user="lake district canary"]What I don''t understand amongst all the posters that think we should change the manager during the season, is why they think it will make any difference.   Switching mid stream is not sensible.   Get another manager in and you are not guaranteed anything.  Its just a lottery.


The sacking and bringing in another management team - whoever they are - does not mean we are any more likely to survive this season.  Imo you are more likely to get improvement in performance if you let the present manager do his job, get the team playing how he wants them to play - and develop through the season.    We started slowly - we can improve.  Its not rocket science - and its a heck of a sight better than switching managers mid season. 


I really think the drama queens should get real and start supporting the club.   Getting rid is not a good path to take - improvement and building understanding and performance with the present manager is the best option. 


Simply give the man time to do his job.   


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Christ, thank fluck you don''t make the decisions!

[Norwich Rat 0]

Changing the manager part way through a season is utter madness....... changing a new manager halfway through a season is just plain stupid.

We have appointed a dood manager on a 3 year deak with the long term in mind.

He stays. Even if we go down he stays. It is not about just about what he does this season.

Yes, if the team looses every game unitl xmas then thats a different matter but the minoroty on here spouting a minority view on a board that only a minority post on and only a miniority read need to go do what the majority of fans are - Get behind the manager, the team, the club!

OTBC

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

[quote user="Norwich Rat"]

Changing the manager part way through a season is utter madness....... changing a new manager halfway through a season is just plain stupid.

We have appointed a dood manager on a 3 year deak with the long term in mind.

He stays. Even if we go down he stays. It is not about just about what he does this season.

Yes, if the team looses every game unitl xmas then thats a different matter but the minoroty on here spouting a minority view on a board that only a minority post on and only a miniority read need to go do what the majority of fans are - Get behind the manager, the team, the club!

OTBC

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Says the man who''s also in the minority[;)] 

[Highland Canary 76]

Listening to Talksport discussion of odds - we''re favourites to finish bottom. Don''t see many bookies on bikes...

Is Holt at 10-1 to score first on Saturday worth a punt?

[nutty nigel 7,598]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Smudger"]
Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.


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Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

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Indeed Tilly!

 

http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/1/2590294/ShowPost.aspx#2590294

 

We can all call things wrong, Smudger''s not alone on that score, but his billybigbollox antics on here begged this response.

 

 

 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Smudger"]Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.

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Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

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Indeed Tilly!

 

http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/1/2590294/ShowPost.aspx#2590294

 

We can all call things wrong, Smudger''s not alone on that score, but his billybigbollox antics on here begged this response.

 

 

 

[/quote]Exactly... irony wasn''t wasted on you two was it?

[nutty nigel 7,598]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Smudger"]
Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.


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Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

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Indeed Tilly!

 

http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/1/2590294/ShowPost.aspx#2590294

 

We can all call things wrong, Smudger''s not alone on that score, but his billybigbollox antics on here begged this response.

 

 

 

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Exactly... irony wasn''t wasted on you two was it?


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Obviously not[:S]

 

 

[TIL 1010 4,783]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Smudger"]
Well, if they think that Hughton is so good then they are more than welcome to him back.  As much as I don''t like the man I would much prefer Pardew to Hughton.


[/quote]

Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

[/quote]

 

Indeed Tilly!

 

http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/1/2590294/ShowPost.aspx#2590294

 

We can all call things wrong, Smudger''s not alone on that score, but his billybigbollox antics on here begged this response.

 

 

 

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Exactly... irony wasn''t wasted on you two was it?


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I suppose this is the nearest we will get to him admitting he was wrong Nutty so best you do not dig up the thread where he tried to say McNamee was in integral part of getting Watford promoted via the play offs a few years back when he was not even in the squads for either the semi final legs nor the final itself. Mind you he did play in about 15 of the 46 league games.

 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]

Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

[/quote]Ps.  While you are here feel free to add your view on how far in to the season would you leave it without an upturn in results before hoping that the manager is changed?  Your good friend Nutty was man enough to put his opinion down in writing following LDC brave attempts.  Purple Canary has offered his verdict prior to the event too.  I wonder how many more people can show that they can put a view across prior to the event and put themselves in to the shoes of our directors who have to make the difficult decisions?I wasn''t too far out with Alex McCleish lasting about 12 months was I?  I see that you didn''t add a view to that particular thread - now why doesn''t that surprise me?I still don''t like Pardew, but that old friend of yours ''hindsight'' has told me that the Geordies were correct sacking Hughton in order to instill Pardew as their manager.  You had enough to say after we were relegated to League 1 (Div 3), but I didn''t hear you offer any suggestions as to how our board of directors should have prevented it. Anyway, nice holiday?  Shame it wasn''t a one way ticket!

[nutty nigel 7,598]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

Now if i remember correctly at the start of last season you were slagging Pardew off big time on here and claimed that he would be the first Premiership manager to get the sack.

 

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I wasn''t too far out with Alex McCleish lasting about 12 months was I?  I see that you didn''t add a view to that particular thread - now why doesn''t that surprise me?


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I refer the billybigbollox to the stopped clock I mentioned earlier[O]

 

 

[TIL 1010 4,783]

[quote user="Smudger"]

I wasn''t too far out with Alex McCleish lasting about 12 months was I?  I see that you didn''t add a view to that particular thread - now why doesn''t that surprise me?




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You are like a chap who spends all day in the bookies,he goes to the pub on his way home and brags about the horse he backed that won but never mentions all the three legged donkeys he wasted money on in the other races.

As they say a stopped clock is right twice a day.