ACE 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Ok, been doing some digging out of curiosity at some of the "wallet manager" stuff. Lets see how much he actually spent on getting Sunderland from bottom of the Championship to promotion in the same season.....All info from soccerbase.comDwight Yorke 220KLiam Miller FreeStanislav Varga & Ross Wallace combined fee 1.1 millionGraham Kavanagh 500KDavid Connolly 1.4 millionAnthony Stokes 2 millionCarlos Edwards 1.5 millionStern John FreeTotal transfer fees: 6.72 millionNow bearing in mind WE paid during the same season:3.5 million for Earnie 600k For CroftTotal transfer fees: 4.1 millionThe difference between him getting them promoted and us finishing 18th was just 2.62 millionI dont think you could call that much spending at a club like Sunderland who get 30,000+ at a game extrvagant.My point is that it is a total myth that he got them promoted spending a fortune. He attracted better quality players for low fees because he is a name, while we struggled to get in anyone of note which is apparently down to Geography.I do hope there is some sort of large protest if we do go down on Monday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
? 20 Posted April 23, 2009 ''The difference between him getting them promoted and us finishing 18th was just 2.62 million''.....and the fact that they had a far better squad than us in the first place. They were quite clearly under performing when he came in.2 million on Anthony Stokes... You do have to giggle at that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can u sit down please 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Great point! I have been trying to prove this elsewhere! Now hopefully some will see the reality that keane will take them places, leaving us far far behind!But it''s ok....we have the chef! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Shirt 17 Posted April 23, 2009 Thats the thing isn''t it- we spent 4M plugging holes in a squad that was already small and leaky he spent 6+M on players that were overpriced to add to a squad that was already full... and few of his additions managed to make a huge impact (some did do well though)TBH I see him as a similar man to Roeder and he will have an instant impact- but it will not last, I''d put money on it.For those crying "sour grapes" lets not underestimate the fact that money and success going into ITFC would potentially help our geography look better to investers and actually help us become the bigger club that we believe we are/should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted April 23, 2009 I think a lot of us, myself included, are hoping and praying he gets it badly wrong at Ippoo, and wastes vanloads of Evan''s dosh to boot. Those scummer fans would be insufferably smug if the "Iranian President" helped them to promotion, while we were still floundering around in the lower leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mockystickwell 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Us SMUG!!!!How very dare you![:O] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACE 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Overpriced???If our team currently contained those players (as they were three years ago) and we had obtained them at the prices stated, would we be upset? Would we be where we are now? Im not convinced we would.My main point is he did NOT contrary to the cr*p spouted on here spend that much getting them up in comparison to us in the same season. The larger point is that we have consistently gone for little managers who cant attract those sort of players for those sort of fees and we are on the verge of oblivion due to that.[quote user="Yellow Shirt"]Thats the thing isn''t it- we spent 4M plugging holes in a squad that was already small and leaky he spent 6+M on players that were overpriced to add to a squad that was already full... and few of his additions managed to make a huge impact (some did do well though)TBH I see him as a similar man to Roeder and he will have an instant impact- but it will not last, I''d put money on it.For those crying "sour grapes" lets not underestimate the fact that money and success going into ITFC would potentially help our geography look better to investers and actually help us become the bigger club that we believe we are/should be.[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted April 23, 2009 [quote user="mockystickwell"]Us SMUG!!!!How very dare you![:O] [/quote]Like the username. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Shirt 17 Posted April 23, 2009 [quote]I think a lot of us, myself included, are hoping and praying he gets it badly wrong at Ippoo, and wastes vanloads of Evan''s dosh to boot. Those scummer fans would be insufferably smug if the "Iranian President" helped them to promotion, while we were still floundering around in the lower leagues.[/quote]I wont deny that that would make me chuckle a bit but I genuinely believe Keane will not be the saviour- even after thinking long and hard and coming up with the possible bright side of any success they might find.That said- he will probably have enough short term impact to take them up next year... that''s when I think the problems will start for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Shirt 17 Posted April 23, 2009 [quote user="Pastry"]Overpriced???If our team currently contained those players (as they were three years ago) and we had obtained them at the prices stated, would we be upset? Would we be where we are now? Im not convinced we would.My main point is he did NOT contrary to the cr*p spouted on here spend that much getting them up in comparison to us in the same season. The larger point is that we have consistently gone for little managers who cant attract those sort of players for those sort of fees and we are on the verge of oblivion due to that.[quote user="Yellow Shirt"]Thats the thing isn''t it- we spent 4M plugging holes in a squad that was already small and leaky he spent 6+M on players that were overpriced to add to a squad that was already full... and few of his additions managed to make a huge impact (some did do well though)TBH I see him as a similar man to Roeder and he will have an instant impact- but it will not last, I''d put money on it.For those crying "sour grapes" lets not underestimate the fact that money and success going into ITFC would potentially help our geography look better to investers and actually help us become the bigger club that we believe we are/should be.[/quote][/quote]Yep- remember what many of those players were rated at at the time- he was able to get some because of who he was and some by paying far more than anyone else would cs his budgets allowed it... they also allowed for players to be brought in and fail to perform very well without having used up all his budget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted April 23, 2009 The Mail have done a fairly extensive survey of his purchases:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1091929/Lets-hope-Ipswich-got-deep-pockets--Sportsmails-verdict-80m-Sunderland-transfer-record-raspberry-Roy.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buncey 1 Posted April 23, 2009 Well considering we sold ashton for 7.5m that 3.5m spent on Earnshaw didn''t seem that bad did it?And the reason he attracted better quality players was because Sunderland with all their money probably paid a far better wages, remembering as well that a lot of those players were at poorer teams or languishing away from the first team squad. So nice try, but it''s an Fail. Better luck next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted April 23, 2009 Stern John was not free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndhscanary 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Well I have been looking at the figures of how much he spent after this.2007/08Michael ChopraCardiff£ 500000013-07-2007Kieran RichardsonMan Utd£ 550000016-07-2007Dickson EtuhuNorwich£ 150000017-07-2007Paul McShaneWest Brom£ 250000026-07-2007Craig GordonHearts£ 900000008-08-2007Andy ColePortsmouthFree24-08-2007Kenwyne JonesSouthampton£ 600000029-08-2007Ian HarteLevanteFree29-08-2007Danny HigginbothamStoke£ 250000029-08-2007Jean-Yves MvotoParis St-G.£ 30000015-01-2008Phil BardsleyMan Utd£ 200000022-01-2008Rade PricaAalborg£ 200000029-01-2008Andy ReidCharlton£ 400000031-01-2008Total: £ 403000002008/09Teemu TainioTottenhamSigned01-07-2008Nick ColganIpswichFree24-07-2008Pascal ChimbondaTottenhamSigned26-07-2008El Hadji DioufBolton£ 250000028-07-2008Steed MalbranqueTottenhamSigned30-07-2008David HealyFulhamSigned21-08-2008Anton FerdinandWest Ham£ 800000027-08-2008George McCartneyWest Ham£ 450000002-09-2008Total: £ 15000000Now looking at those figures he has spent at least £55M but thats probably more as some of those are undisclosed. So thats £55M spent and there still in a relegation battle. Also some of those players have just been a total waste of money. I mean there is now way Anton Ferdinand is worth £8 Million. Chopra, Mcshane and Higginbotham all out on loan yet they all cost a hell of a lot of money. While Prica played like two games for them in a year and he cost £2 Million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lewie - Holt Our Saviour 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Etuhu for 15 million lool? What did we do with the money for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Whatever is said about Keane lets appreciate one thing he doesn''t accept crap from players and that would elevate us for a start. I don''t think he would get on with Doncaster either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,293 Posted April 23, 2009 [quote user="ridgeman"]Whatever is said about Keane lets appreciate one thing he doesn''t accept crap from players and that would elevate us for a start. I don''t think he would get on with Doncaster either.[/quote]I don''t think Keane would suit our board at all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,023 Posted April 23, 2009 How much did Sunderland pay in wages, signing on fees and agent fees? I would not mind betting that Dwight Yorke''s weekly wage was considerably higher than Earnie''s..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites