Norwich - WBA - player ratings and rant

[Mister Chops 7]

Just back from the match and need to vent.  I have never been so unimpressed with a referee in my life.  It was like watching a 90 minute masterclass in how to spoil a game of professional football.  Every throw-in was ordered two yards backwards, every niggly foul was given, and then a further delay while he talked to the player concerned... the fact he missed the Norwich penalty first time round was unbelievable, and the booking of Doherty for a foul by Camara was, frankly, the inedible cherry on a dog turd cake.We could have had something from the match but the poor quality of our crossing, two glaring Cureton misses, and poor central defending meant we got what we deserved from it... nothing.  The crowd chanting "Dion" after Cureton blazed wide when one-on-one with the keeper summed it up for me... but then Dublin didn''t get into the game at all.Player ratings?Marshall - 5Otsemobor - 5 - ponderous going forward, no end product with his crossingShackell - 5 - set up their 2nd goal with a lovely lay-off headerDoherty 5.5 - better at passing it out but still shaky against quality forwardsCamara - 6 - defended well, no end product with his crossingGibbs - 5.5 - one of his better games, but no end product with his crossingFotheringham - 6.5 - my MoM today, ran the midfield as best he couldPattison - 6 - worked hard for little rewardHuckerby - 5.5 - tried hard, didn''t get much change down the right or left, no end product with his crossingCureton - 4 - I know he bleeds yellow and green, but so do some snakes and they wouldn''t be very good strikers eitherEvans - 6 - put himself about, showed energy but little to feed onSubs:Dublin - 5 - couldn''t get into itChadwick - 6 - looked decent linking up in the midfield but no end product with his crossingReferee - 1 - if Mr. Bean had been a professional referee, he would have been taking notes from this clownWBA Fans - 8 - ExcellentCity Fans - 4 - summed up by "What''s it like to see a crowd?" - I think WBA know what it''s like - and "Premiership? You''re having a laugh," to which "Championship?  You''re having a laugh" was the obvious and justified response.I am extremely disappointed we didn''t take something from today, but in the last third we were pathetic.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="Mister Chops"]
Cureton - 4 - I know he bleeds yellow and green, but so do some snakes and they wouldn''t be very good strikers either

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Cannot believe he started the game today. Misses chances for fun and does very little else with the ball.

[Buncey 1]

I''ll start with referee: -1. Awful, 1 yard from the hanball and the linesman more than 40 yards away saw it. How he let the first goal stand I don''t know. Gave dodgey decisions against both us and wba especially when robinson stood still and huckerby ran into him and booked him...Marshall - 4 - Some saves. Should have held on to the shot by phillips. Was not assertive and let a couple slip. Partially at fault for the 2nd. Rushed out and then didn''t call and left shax in between a rock and a hard placeSemmy - 5 - Got forward but his crosses were shocking and he was far too timid. Alright defensively but that''s it.Donkerty - 2 - It was donkey derby day at carrow road and donkey won by a mile. Absolutely useless. How many times their players got uncontested shots at goal was uncountable. He was just plainly idiotic. At fault for the first goal for letting phillips go clean through and then getting back and letting him shoot. We got lucky to start but then they scored anyway. He managed to either sabotage every attack we had towards the end or was just plain idiotic with his movement. Ship him out.Shax - 3 - Only just better. He was nearly as clueless as donk a marking and caused the 2nd goal (although whether the keeper could have helped I don''t know), his header being absoultely shocking. He made some good tackles though but to be honest that doesn''t make up for anything. Ship him out.Camara - 5 - Good going forward, solid at the back. Decided to leave gera open for the 2nd goal.Gibbs - 6 - BEST GAME!!! shame he still wasn''t that good and didn''t actually add much...Pattison - 5 - wrecking ball. Never stopped. Trouble is, bescially ruined every other attack that we had.Fozzy - 7 motm - One of the few players who can say he played well. Some good passing and lively. Tackled, tracked back. Was the motor of the failing sinking ship of norwich. Was relying on the hull to keep stirdy and the cannons to fire and they didn''tHux - 7 - Time and again made he WBA defenders panic. Not much end product but then again you can''t rely on one person to pass to himself, beat 3 guys, put the cross in and then score it himselfCureton - 3 - No comment. (although he did make a superb run to go through on goal for "that miss". No consilation though) He is as good as gone.Ched - 4 - Didn''t do much. Spinned around a lot but did jack ****. Not entirely his fault but he didn''t do well today.subs:Dubs - Didn''t add a great deal.And maybe the only positive, Chadwick. Let''s just hope he starts next week.As for the fans, wba fans are always good. They are in general a pretty good bunch (there are always some idiots though) and always in good voice.The atmosphere was pretty good, even in the N&P today (I was pretty err.. vocal) shame the barclay boys have forgot how to make a nice good chant.

[Captain Holt 580]

It''s amazing how differently people see the same game. I thought Fozzy was absolutely awful! He was at fault for the first goal with a aimless hoof up the pitch to start off their attack, couldn''t find a yellow shirt all afternoon with a pass and couldn''t make a clean tackle, but I will admit that he got a little better as the game went on................................ A LITTLE!(Just an opinion people) End of rant.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

Marshall - 5 - some good saves but at fault for the first goal and some awful distribution
Otsemobor - 5 - incredibly average
Doherty - 6 - very shaky especially at the start but did get better later on; sat far too deep early on
Shackell - 5 - same as Doherty except a mark off for setting up West Brom''s second goal
Camara - 6 - fairly solid but didn''t offer much going forward
Gibbs - 4 - far too lightweight, anonymous first half, got slightly better in the second, got even better when substituted
Fotheringham - 5 - an absolute joke in the first half (there''s a theme here), again improved in the second but didn''t pull up any trees
Pattison - 6 - worked very hard as usual but not an awful lot else
Huckerby - 6 - gave West Brom plenty to think about, looked our most dangerous attacker
Cureton - 3 - a hat-trick of sitters missed
Evans - 5 - tried hard, but his first touch was really awful most of the time

Dublin - 5 - fairly ineffective
Chadwick - 5 - okay-ish, considering he''s been out for months it could have been worse

Referee - -67 - the worst referee I have ever seen, for reasons that have already been covered in detail. His assistants hardly covered themselves in glory either

Overall: dreadful first half, much better second, but the chances we did create we just couldn''t finish off; however if we played like that for more of the game we would probably have got something but we paid the price for some bad misses and a no-show in the first period.

[Gingerpele 0]

[quote user="NC1902"]It''s amazing how differently people see the same game. I thought Fozzy was absolutely awful! He was at fault for the first goal with a aimless hoof up the pitch to start off their attack, couldn''t find a yellow shirt all afternoon with a pass and couldn''t make a clean tackle, but I will admit that he got a little better as the game went on................................ A LITTLE!(Just an opinion people) End of rant.

[/quote]EVERY ATTACK IS A RANDOM HOOF YOU DONKEYwe cant do anything else, when hux tried to run, he lost the ball, when a cross went in, it missed, fozzy was the only good piont,and why was chadwick so good then, i thought he didnt do anything, should have been on at half time mabey

[First Wazzock 1,010]

It''s amazing how differently people see the same game. I thought Fozzy was absolutely awful! He was at fault for the first goal with a aimless hoof up the pitch to start off their attack, couldn''t find a yellow shirt all afternoon with a pass and couldn''t make a clean tackle, but I will admit that he got a little better as the game went on................................ A LITTLE!

I totally agree - he couldn''t pass water.

It is a shame we are having to revert to route one Hoofball again.

[Captain Holt 580]

[quote user="Ginger Pele"][quote user="NC1902"]It''s amazing how differently people see the same game. I thought Fozzy was absolutely awful! He was at fault for the first goal with a aimless hoof up the pitch to start off their attack, couldn''t find a yellow shirt all afternoon with a pass and couldn''t make a clean tackle, but I will admit that he got a little better as the game went on................................ A LITTLE!(Just an opinion people) End of rant.

[/quote]EVERY ATTACK IS A RANDOM HOOF YOU DONKEYwe cant do anything else, when hux tried to run, he lost the ball, when a cross went in, it missed, fozzy was the only good piont,and why was chadwick so good then, i thought he didnt do anything, should have been on at half time mabey[/quote]If you read what I said you would''ve understood that I meant a WBA attack was started by a mis-hit lump up the field by Fotheringham. He had plenty of time and aimlessly whacked it up to no one in particular. He is the kind of player we don''t need at the minute, and will be nothing more than an average Championship player. As for being a Donkey, I think you''re the only ass around here....''scuse the pun....

[Gingerpele 0]

every other players balls where miss hits though wernt they?i really hope fozzy leaves, just so he can get some support, its ridiculous  that the only player with a passin ability gets mown down every game,i admit his passes arnt 100 percent accurate, but today they where queit goodand why the hell have you remeberd each attack? whos random lump was it before WBA second goal then?

[DONT REMEMBER YOUR TENURE AS ENGLAND MANAGER 0]

Marshall - 5 - Not sure if he was at fault for the first goal
Otsemobor - 5 - Lacking ideas and spark to go with ability
Shackell - 3 - get rid, not good enough

Doherty-3 - See Shackell- -why oh why did we not get Taylor
Camara - 4 - up for the fight but badly lacks quality
Gibbs - 6 - Not the right day to play him

Fotheringham - 7 - showed why he was missed against Scum
Pattison - 6 - done ok, but passing was shocking

Huckerby - 8 - should have been used more, constant threat
Cureton - 3- it just hasn''t worked out, feel for the lad, but they were clear cut chances to be had a plenty today
Evans - 7 - ever willing, just not effectively used
Subs:
Dublin -6 - should have started
Chadwick - 7 - looked lively

Referee - 0 -Total clown, i have seen some shockers at Carrow Road, but he is officially the worst I have ever seen. To be fair both teams suffered as a result, but how did he not see the handball. His whistle needs to go somewhere but not in his pocket, if you no what I am saying

The board should take full responsibility for the mess, nobody appears to have any vision to take this club any further. From the first team to the academy the club is in total decline. How the board could not see this just beggers belief. What do they do cause they are not running a club

Not buying Taylor was a disaster. Our defence is so shakey. Defence was tight and in control when Taylor played.

Even if we stay up, we need major funds even to avoid a repeat sham of this season. This season needs to end asap.

[Captain Holt 580]

n[quote user="Ginger Pele"]every other players balls where miss hits though wernt they?i really hope fozzy leaves, just so he can get some support, its ridiculous  that the only player with a passin ability gets mown down every game,i admit his passes arnt 100 percent accurate, but today they where queit goodand why the hell have you remeberd each attack? whos random lump was it before WBA second goal then?[/quote]I didn''t remember each attack, I remember the one''s that led to goals! If Fozzy hadn''t of given the ball away, we wouldn''t of conceded at that moment. I can honestly say that I am not a Fozzy hater and believe in praising players where praise is needed and criticising them when needed aswell. When I say he isn''t the player we need at the minute, I am judging him on yesterday''s performance and nothing else. If I was in charge, I would''ve left Gibbs on and pulled Fozzy off to prove a point that just because he is captain he can''t afford to be a passer by in a game like he was yesterday.

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="NC1902"]n[quote user="Ginger Pele"]every other players balls where miss hits though wernt they?i really hope fozzy leaves, just so he can get some support, its ridiculous  that the only player with a passin ability gets mown down every game,i admit his passes arnt 100 percent accurate, but today they where queit goodand why the hell have you remeberd each attack? whos random lump was it before WBA second goal then?[/quote]I didn''t remember each attack, I remember the one''s that led to goals! If Fozzy hadn''t of given the ball away, we wouldn''t of conceded at that moment. I can honestly say that I am not a Fozzy hater and believe in praising players where praise is needed and criticising them when needed aswell. When I say he isn''t the player we need at the minute, I am judging him on yesterday''s performance and nothing else. If I was in charge, I would''ve left Gibbs on and pulled Fozzy off to prove a point that just because he is captain he can''t afford to be a passer by in a game like he was yesterday.[/quote]Sorry but I must have missed the 5 or 6 excellent cross field balls he played to hux which was the only chance creation we had all game... I mean with fozzy is to blame for giving the ball away when he''s 30 yards from the other teams goal then I''m to blame because I didn''t shout loud enough to put kevin phillips off of his shot....

[lucky green trainers 0]

Marshall - 4 - great shot stopper, but like andy marshall, makes mistakes.  another cock-up face down in the dirt for the first goal.  Otsemobor - 5 - against colchester he had drive and determination - against WBA??? jack!!!Shackell - 5 - did well, until yet another fudge up for their second.  Doherty 4 - as we all now the doc takes 4 games to get fully match fit.  after 20 mins he came up for a corner - already blowing like a national winner.  he flaming cheeks expanding like dangerously inflated hot water bottles.  no wonder he was a yard off the pace!!!Camara - 6 - did he jobGibbs - 5 - good game by his standards, but below ours - too easily knocked off the ball and couldn''t get involved in the gameFotheringham - 6.5 - 3-4 great balls sprayed into the croner flag for hucks to run onto.  did well - but looks exposed against the better sides.  short of the midfield dynamo we really need to take us forward.Pattison - 6 - worked hard but did fudge all - if that makes sense!!!huckerby - 5 - tried his best, finds it hard to beat players these days, and got into the area alone twice, but couldn''t find our men.   mind u - his first cross was a near psot gem, and no one gambled by making the run.  Cureton - 4 - losing patience with curo - cr@p contribution in open play - and woeful finishing- again. Evans - 6 - put himself about - but did the boy have a shot, or chance - aside from a well taken penealty

[ZLF 335]

NOt sure it was that bad guys;   thought we should have won against another average championship team who actually had confidence.  The ref was truly shocking but again not the reason we lost;  that is down to our players.

 

Marshall 5  Looking so shaky - looked as poor on crosses as ever and now cant hold shots,  which nearly cost us more than one goal.

Otse       6  Did hold his ground probably as instructed,  one of his quieter days but did OK,  some appalling attempts at crosses.

Shackell 6  Lacked confidence in the first half but generally ok,  apart from that shocking header for their winning goal

Doc       6  Truly awful in the first 15 mins,  but settled himself and was solid again.

Camara  6    OK

Hux       7  our only real attacking threat,  not the hux of old but can still cause problems.  Miles better than croft.

Pattison 5  Loads of  effort;  partly responsible for the winner as he raced back to the 18 yard line rather than defend properly

Fozzy    6  rallied the team well but passing wa sa long way off today

Gibbs    5 Some good touches but simply too lightweight

Cureton 5  Mixed game,  movement was good and he got himself into positions to score but simply fails to even hit the target enough.

Evans    5  Some excellent touches but simply was not involved enough

SUbs

Rusty 5 no impact

Dion 4  - wouldnt shoot,  conceeded too many free kicks and with one effort failed to hit target - again.  Even if the attacking ''presence'' increased with him coming on,  the long ball game and his conceeding free kicks meant we were less likely to salvage a draw,  not more.

Chadwick 6  Want him to start against QPR with Hux on the left;  encouraging,  although needs to remember that running across the pitch with the ball does not usually threaten their goal too much 

[Matt Morriss 69]

[quote user="NC1902"]It''s amazing how differently people see the same game. I thought Fozzy was absolutely awful! He was at fault for the first goal with a aimless hoof up the pitch to start off their attack, couldn''t find a yellow shirt all afternoon with a pass and couldn''t make a clean tackle, but I will admit that he got a little better as the game went on................................ A LITTLE!(Just an opinion people) End of rant.

[/quote]My god, it definitely is amazing how different people see the same game. I cant believe you were actually there, cause if you were there is no way on earth you can say Fozzy was awful. HE GOT MAN ON THE MATCH FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!!!!For you to say he was awful just shows the level of your football understanding and knowledge because he ran the game, especially in the 2nd half. Did you not notice how well we played the 2nd half? Did you not think we more than matched West Brom and perhaps even dominated things? If Cureton had a buried a couple of chances and we''d have won nobody would be slating Fozzy.How you can anyway is totally beyond me and im not even going to argue it, suffice to say you obviously dont know your football. Im just going to say one thing.How poor where we last week against Ipswich? No passing game, no tempo, no nothing.How good were we yesterday? Excellent passing game, play switched perfectly from wing to wing, very high tempo. Unlucky not to have battered West Brom.THIS IS ALL DOWN TO FOZZY. IF YOU CANT SEE THAT YOU ARE BLIND.

[Matt Morriss 69]

[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="NC1902"]n[quote user="Ginger Pele"]every other players balls where miss hits though wernt they?i really hope fozzy leaves, just so he can get some support, its ridiculous  that the only player with a passin ability gets mown down every game,i admit his passes arnt 100 percent accurate, but today they where queit goodand why the hell have you remeberd each attack? whos random lump was it before WBA second goal then?[/quote]I didn''t remember each attack, I remember the one''s that led to goals! If Fozzy hadn''t of given the ball away, we wouldn''t of conceded at that moment. I can honestly say that I am not a Fozzy hater and believe in praising players where praise is needed and criticising them when needed aswell. When I say he isn''t the player we need at the minute, I am judging him on yesterday''s performance and nothing else. If I was in charge, I would''ve left Gibbs on and pulled Fozzy off to prove a point that just because he is captain he can''t afford to be a passer by in a game like he was yesterday.[/quote]Sorry but I must have missed the 5 or 6 excellent cross field balls he played to hux which was the only chance creation we had all game... I mean with fozzy is to blame for giving the ball away when he''s 30 yards from the other teams goal then I''m to blame because I didn''t shout loud enough to put kevin phillips off of his shot....[/quote]Excellent point.Fozzy did play numerous excellent cross field passes into the wings. Some go to feet, some just find space. What both do is dictate how Norwich are going to play. Fozzy is dragging the whole team by the scruff of the neck, player by player and just saying, theres the ball, go and do something with it.If you analyse his game you will notice he often just sits in the semi circle in our half and plays the ball from there, whether thats a simple 10 yard pass to keep possession or a more creative 50 yard cross field pass. Of course not all passes come off and yes he was at fault for the opening goal, but for christ sake people open your narrow minded little eyes and look at the performance.If ever there was a couple of matches that highlighted how good Fozzy is and how important to us he is, its the Ipswich and West Brom games. 100% improvement in performance in saturdays game to the Ipswich debacle. BECAUSE NORWICH ACTUALLY HAD A PASSING GAME, WHICH IS NEEDED DUE TO OUR STYLE OF PLAY AND ATTACKING PLAYERS WE HAVE. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PASSING GAME??? GIBBS??? SHACKELL??? EVIDENTLY NOT.COULD IT BE THE MAN OF THE MATCH PERHAPS???